Should the US resettle Iraqi Refugees in the US?

[CptStern]

...all 3.5 million of them ..currently they're mostly living in Syria, damascus's population increased by a million immediately after the war ...mostly middle to higher class iraqis living off savings getting more deparate with each passing day

seeing as how the US lied their way into Iraq and in the process made 3.5 million iraqis homeless ..surely they should step up and help them but in what way? I think the US should make all 3.5 million iraqis americans citizens and move them stateside ..after all as an occupied territory of the US they're almost like long lost brothers united under a common flag ...right?

 

[Ennui]

I'm wavering between the first and the last option but I voted the first one. We ****ed them over, while purporting to be a civilized nation, so we need to take care of them. Reading Kite Runner comes to mind. I don't care about the economic consequences, Lady Economy is already on the ground being raped and robbed by our president anyway.

 

[Tagaziel]

I'm kind of unsure. However, I think that opening up to refugees and making the immigration procedures less strict would be a good step for the US.

 

[Vigilante]

I voted for the last option.

 

[Ennui]

Have you seen refugee camps though? They're not a whole lot better than what the people are fleeing.

 

[Tagaziel]

Which is precisely why I discarded that option first.

 

[Stigmata]

I agree with you, Ennui.

 

[Tyguy]

Thats all we need, people who quite possibly have ties with terrorist organizations being spoon fed in our hotels

im for setting something up for them, but not bringing them here

 

[Solaris]

Thats all we need, people who quite possibly have ties with terrorist organizations being spoon fed in our hotels

im for setting something up for them, but not bringing them here

Your country is a 'terrorist organization'.

I move that Britain also takes some of the refugees.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Oh yeah, let's bring 3.5 million people over here. Makes perfect sense.

Oh wait it doesn't.

 

[Llama]

To the people that voted option one, exactly how are you going to deal with the 3.5 million (That's 3500000) people? How are you going to ensure they can speak the language, get jobs, get accommodation? Hell, how are you going to make sure 3.5 million people even GET THERE in the first place?

It's a ridiculous idea to say the least. At the worst it's a downright dangerous idea
"hmm, let's take several million people that have never had an experience of our society, and stick them into a foreign nation"

 

[CptStern]

Thats all we need, people who quite possibly have ties with terrorist organizations being spoon fed in our hotels

im for setting something up for them, but not bringing them here

spoon fed in hotels? lol you do paint a rosey but unrealistic picture

To the people that voted option one, exactly how are you going to deal with the 3.5 million (That's 3500000) people? How are you going to ensure they can speak the language, get jobs, get accommodation? Hell, how are you going to make sure 3.5 million people even GET THERE in the first place?

It's a ridiculous idea to say the least. At the worst it's a downright dangerous idea
"hmm, let's take several million people that have never had an experience of our society, and stick them into a foreign nation"

hey why not get the bush families to pitch in? and while we're at it; Rumsfeld, Cheney, fleischer etc etc ..oh and also take some of the record profits from corporations like Betchel and haliburton ..I bet that would go a long way

 

[Llama]

You really think someone that can't talk English, or get a job, is going to get a home in the US? :dozey:
Plus I can't see how you are going to get 3.5 thousand thousand people there in the first place.

 

[CptStern]

You really think someone that can't talk English, or get a job, is going to get a home in the US? :dozey:
Plus I can't see how you are going to get 3.5 thousand thousand people there in the first place.

lots and lots of boats ...round up every single ceo from haliburton, betchel etc and make them personally sail their yachets to iraq (kuwait can help too) and pick them up ..also a free 6 month stay at their hacienda all amenities provided

 

[DeusExMachina]

why not? you caused them to lose their homes

Let me stress something here. I did not cause anyone to lose their homes. I did not ask for war. Oh and guess what? There's millions just like me in America who are in the same boat. One student's acting up, you don't punish the whole class. That's ridiculous. I'm all about humanitarian aid, but not bringing over 3 million people here because a goddamn moron and his goddamn moron administration can't handle anything correctly.

 

[Llama]

lots and lots of boats ...round up every single ceo from haliburton, betchel etc and make them personally sail their yachets to iraq (kuwait can help too) and pick them up ..also a free 6 month stay at their hacienda all amenities provided

Just because I usually respect you doesn't mean I will accept an answer that makes me out to be an idiot

 

[gick]

Let me stress something here. I did not cause anyone to lose their homes. I did not ask for war. Oh and guess what? There's millions just like me in America who are in the same boat. One student's acting up, you don't punish the whole class. That's ridiculous. I'm all about humanitarian aid, but not bringing over 3 million people here because a goddamn moron and his goddamn moron administration can't handle anything correctly.

This.

Also, you'd have to resettle them in the UK, South Korea, Poland, Australia, Georgia and Moldova as well (if you were going by countries that actually took part in the invasion). If you think that any country that has had troops on the ground in Iraq should shoulder the burden of looking after refugees, then you'd have to distribute them amongst Romania, Denmark, El Salvodor, Czech Republic, Azerbaijan, Latvia, Mongolia, Lithuania, Armenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Estonia, Macedonia, Khazakhstan, The Netherlands, Slovenia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Italy, Ukraine, Spain, Japan, Thailand, Honduras, Dominican Republic, Hungary, Nicaragua, Singapore, Norway, Portugal, New Zealand, The Phillipines, Tonga and Iceland.

Oh, and good luck tracking down every Iraqi refugee spread across the Middle East, getting them to a port/airport, finding transport, getting them to the appropriate country, vetting them to make sure terrorists don't hop on the boat too, setting them up with accomodation, food and water, teaching them the right language and getting them jobs.

Great idea! Lets get started right away!

 

[Gray Fox]

Stern you succeeded in making your point.

But even you must see that in practice option 1, though the most fair simply would not work. It's going to take a lot of money to bring them in the US, educate them, and make sure they have a good chance to lead a good life. Now that money could be better spent getting them a better life in a country that they do speak the language, and know the custom and everything like that.

 

[Sebastian]

The money we would waste trying to house, feed, and teach the Iraqi refugees would be better spent in humanitarian aid.

 

[CptStern]

Just because I usually respect you doesn't mean I will accept an answer that makes me out to be an idiot

what? that wasnt my intention at all ....I'm surprised you guys havent picked up on the fact that I'm being less than serious here ..I mean boats to Iraq? where would the rich folk put their cases of Cristal, fabulous jewelery and blonde bimbos they usually sail around with? ..."Sorry Candy but you'll have to make room for Achmed and his family, there's just not enough room for you ...buhbye" <pushes Candy overboard>

 

[Solaris]

Let me stress something here. I did not cause anyone to lose their homes. I did not ask for war. Oh and guess what? There's millions just like me in America who are in the same boat. One student's acting up, you don't punish the whole class. That's ridiculous. I'm all about humanitarian aid, but not bringing over 3 million people here because a goddamn moron and his goddamn moron administration can't handle anything correctly.

No you didn't do it, but your state did. The people who voted your government in, paid taxes to the government, worked for the state, all bear responsibility. Sure it might be tough, it might damage your country's economy, but I tell you this, it would be nothing compared to the horrors your country unleashed upon Iraq. The solution proposed in this thread probably isn't a great idea, but your defending argument just doesn't work,

 

[Tyguy]

its just a stupid and ridiculously unrealistic idea. We get the point, you don't like the United States and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Its bad enough we are so lax with illegal immigration but to bring these people here (who in most cases probably dont want to come here)is a kick in the ass.

 

[gick]

No you didn't do it, but your state did. The people who voted your government in, paid taxes to the government, worked for the state, all bear responsibility. Sure it might be tough, it might damage your country's economy, but I tell you this, it would be nothing compared to the horrors your country unleashed upon Iraq. The solution proposed in this thread probably isn't a great idea, but your defending argument just doesn't work,

So what you're basically saying is that anyone who paid taxes (that includes everyone who bought anything since 2003 - they paid taxes via VAT), worked for the state (that includes bin men, doctors, teachers, civil servants and firemen) or voted for a party that supported the war (no matter what their reasons for voting may have been) should be made to suffer for the war, because obviously it was all their fault, right?

 

[Ennui]

DeusExMachina, unfortunately, we as citizens are still collectively responsible for the actions of our country as a whole. If you want to absolve yourself of responsibility, you have to move somewhere else.

The first option is unrealistic, but we should strive towards it anyway, because the best realistic choice is still far less than desireable.

We destroyed their homes in the name of freedom; so we must be willing to welcome them into ours. It's a decision with hidden implications like that.

gick, we accept responsibility of the actions of the majority because that's part of the definition of living in and supporting a democratic society. The only way to escape that is to resist democracy, by leaving or exercising some form of civil disobedience or outright revolution.

 

[Solaris]

So what you're basically saying is that anyone who paid taxes (that includes everyone who bought anything since 2003 - they paid taxes via VAT), worked for the state (that includes bin men, doctors, teachers, civil servants and firemen) or voted for a party that supported the war (no matter what their reasons for voting may have been) should be made to suffer for the war, because obviously it was all their fault, right?

Yes, yes I am. I'm not saying we should be punished as such, but it is our responsibility as a state to try and fix things where we ****ed up in the past. If the country had have said no, Tony Blair could not have got us into Iraq. As a country we failed.

 

[CptStern]

its just a stupid and ridiculously unrealistic idea. We get the point, you don't like the United States and Operation Iraqi Freedom.

yup ..this thread is proof positive I hate america :upstare:

oh and I prefer Operation Iraqi Liberation

Its bad enough we are so lax with illegal immigration but to bring these people here (who in most cases probably dont want to come here)is a kick in the ass.

well I cant speak for 3.5 million iraqis but I',m sure there's more than a few of them who'd like to kick you all collectively in the ass


but it would be nice if you took responsibility for your mess ...

 

[gick]

Yes, yes I am. I'm not saying we should be punished as such, but it is our responsibility as a state to try and fix things where we ****ed up in the past. If the country had have said no, Tony Blair could not have got us into Iraq. As a country we failed.

As a country we did say no, and they went ahead anyway. Its not our fault, its Bush and Blair's.

 

[Ennui]

Your elected government = your responsibility.

if you don't like that, get a new political system

 

[Tyguy]

well I cant speak for 3.5 million iraqis but I',m sure there's more than a few of them who'd like to kick you all collectively in the ass

Maybe they should be kicking their fellow countrymen in the ass

 

[CptStern]

sure ...after they're done kicking your asses

 

[Tyguy]

sure ...after they're done kicking your asses

Thats one way to derail the debate

 

[CptStern]

pardon?

edit: I'm going home now will answer later tonight

 

[repiV]

Great idea, let's open the gates and let at the very least a million terrorist sympathisers in, ensuring our own demise. Wow, you guys get progressively smarter every goddamn day.

 

[Tyguy]

I feel like im one of a very few logically thinking persons in this discussion. Why don't we get every single Japanese person affected by the nuclear bombs and give them a place to live.

And repiv, thats what i was trying to convey. Would it really be smart to have 3.5 million America Haters come to America? Me Thinks the majority of people here would say yes.

 

[repiV]

I feel like im one of a very few logically thinking persons in this discussion. Why don't we get every single Japanese person affected by the nuclear bombs and give them a place to live.

And repiv, thats what i was trying to convey. Would it really be smart to have 3.5 million America Haters come to America? Me Thinks the majority of people here would say yes.

CptStern is actually relatively reasonable, even though I disagree with him.
Solaris is just out there, though. Everything is always our fault, we should always be fixing everything, and everything we do is wrong or evil. We should bend over backwards to help the rest of the world no matter the cost to ourselves and no matter how much they hate us.
One example of Solaris' inane bullshit - the terrorists in Iraq are noble freedom fighters honourably battling oppression (because, you know, America is like the third reich reborn...) yet Britain was evil and merciless in recapturing the Falkland islands...stolen from a genuine oppressor. Nobody on those islands wanted the Argies there, and to this day they thank us for saving them.

Second: the terrorists in Iraq remain noble freedom fighters despite suicide bombings and murder of innocents being routine practice, and Hezbollah remain noble freedom fighters despite using women and children as human shields and deliberately hiding out in populated areas.
Meanwhile, all coalition soldiers in Iraq are accessories to mass murder because a few guys went nuts and killed some people in Haditha, and all Israelis are evil and plan to dominate the world because they retaliate against Hezbollah and unavoidably kill civilians because Hezbollah are using them as human shields.

He speaks nothing but pure and utter hypocritical nonsense - best to just ignore him.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

The thought of Iraqi Refugees being relocated from relocation camps throughout the Middle East to the United States doesn't bother me.

Unless its put to physical vote, this is just a nightmare that has'nt come true yet.

 

[Tyguy]

It just gets annoying after a while :hmph:

 

[<RJMC>]

honestly I think that wouldnt work
maybe in a moral way but hell no it wont work

especially by americans that sure will creat kkk kind of movements against the iraquis
or just a whole deniation

so the best thing is for the USA to bring aid,they expend millions on weapons and problably a litle for aid wouldnt hurt "the freedom" they are spreading

kind of offtopic but I remnber some people saying that this is like the vietnam war,how exactly was whit the vietman war?

 

[repiV]

It just gets annoying after a while :hmph:

I don't mind so much that he's clueless - he's only 17, he's entitled to be (although not all 17 year olds are, by any means).
It's the fact that he's so mindbendingly arrogant to go with it and completely ignores fact and reason. He is always right, no matter how obviously communism is not great and capitalism is not evil. No matter how much evidence there is to suggest that Israel is not oppressing Palestine and Islamic terrorists are not noble people. It just doesn't matter.
If you prove him wrong, he'll just go silent for a few days then come back again with the same old tired, viva la revolution, Margaret Thatcher should be executed for crimes against the working man, Fidel Castro is a world hero bullshit.
He's just like the born again Christians he condemns so often for identical reasons. Except there's a lot more concrete evidence out there to disprove his kooky ideas than there is to disprove the possibility of there being a god. So in some sense he's worse.

Oh yeah - and according to Solaris, working in a factory is a much harder job than being a CEO. I work a 10-12 hour day with five minutes' break to eat at my desk and a constantly high level of output - but for some reason because I am well paid for my efforts and I wear a suit, my job is much easier than mindlessly assembling things. Can't wait for the real world to say hello to him...

 

[DeusExMachina]

Your elected government = your responsibility.

if you don't like that, get a new political system

I didn't vote for them, not my responsibility. Doesn't matter I live in this country, I'm not gonna take responsibilities for the actions my government takes. Stern can say what he wants because his country has done nothing except give us Celine Dion, a war crime in itself. The rest of us have to watch what we say because we'll come off as hypocrites. Eff that.