Should the US resettle Iraqi Refugees in the US?

[Mr-Fusion]

3.5 million Iraqis in America, bad idea. Terrible idea. Almost as terrible as invading Iraq in the first place. I'd love to see how the right-wing Christians would deal with the Muslim ghettos and incompatibility of culture.

The muslim influence will bring no benefit to America. That religion should not be spread further around the globe. Its spread should be halted now. 3.5 million Iraqis in the U.S would cause division, racism and most likely violence.

Yes indeed America bent Iraq over backwards and raped it with a massive cactus dildo, but bringing refugees over won't solve anything. Millions of Iraqis will be shipped over, not being able to speak english or at a very limited level, very low level of education. They'll be limited to factory work at best! Unable to afford good education, the children of these refugees will also be doomed to a life of factory work or worse. The perfect market for extreme muslim clerics to preach the jihad doctrine to the young, angry youth. This may last a few generations until a certain percentage of decendants have stepped out of the quagmire of the lower-class. You don't want to purposefully create a massive chunk of lower-class. Crime and unemployment will be too high. Also consider the huge divide between the poor and rich in America. American society shuns and abuses the poor and gives them terrible treatment. They're poor because they're lazy, fat, stupid and dumb! NO OTHER REASON! Capitalism at its worst.

Life would probably not be any better in America for these people. It might even be worse.

But yes, America and the people who voted in this shite adminstration have royally ****ed up Iraq. Opened a can of worms that will last at least another generation.

 

[Absinthe]

I'm with DeusEx.

Send humanitarian aid, but relocation of all the refugees is not only unrealistic and impractical, but I refuse to take full responsibility for 1) a bullshit war forged ahead by corrupt government, and 2) the absolutely ****ed living conditions of Iraq thanks in no small part due to terrorist lunacy.

We can all agree that the initial invasion was an utter travesty. But why is nobody asking Johnny Chestbomb and his band of merry men to supply food and shelter for civilians? Oh right, because they're batshit insane and don't care.

And to be quite honest, the last thing I want to see is the government actively enabling the geographic spread of Islam.

 

[Solaris]

CptStern is actually relatively reasonable, even though I disagree with him.
Solaris is just out there, though. Everything is always our fault, we should always be fixing everything, and everything we do is wrong or evil. We should bend over backwards to help the rest of the world no matter the cost to ourselves and no matter how much they hate us.
One example of Solaris' inane bullshit - the terrorists in Iraq are noble freedom fighters honourably battling oppression (because, you know, America is like the third reich reborn...) yet Britain was evil and merciless in recapturing the Falkland islands...stolen from a genuine oppressor. Nobody on those islands wanted the Argies there, and to this day they thank us for saving them.

Second: the terrorists in Iraq remain noble freedom fighters despite suicide bombings and murder of innocents being routine practice, and Hezbollah remain noble freedom fighters despite using women and children as human shields and deliberately hiding out in populated areas.
Meanwhile, all coalition soldiers in Iraq are accessories to mass murder because a few guys went nuts and killed some people in Haditha, and all Israelis are evil and plan to dominate the world because they retaliate against Hezbollah and unavoidably kill civilians because Hezbollah are using them as human shields.

He speaks nothing but pure and utter hypocritical nonsense - best to just ignore him.

Stop with the straw man arguments, I have never said that those who kill civilians are noble, I do not believe that. I routinely condemn those who blow up civilians in Iraq, suicide bombers and coalition forces alike. What I so support are such people who fight Imperialism and fascism across the world whilst minimizing civilian casualties.

And I condemn what we did in the falklands because I believe we have no claim to those Islands.

 

[CptStern]

Great idea, let's open the gates and let at the very least a million terrorist sympathisers in, ensuring our own demise. Wow, you guys get progressively smarter every goddamn day.

3.5 million ...there were 3.5 million less terrorist sympathisers prior to March 2003

 

[Absinthe]

3.5 million ...there were 3.5 million less terrorist sympathisers prior to March 2003

If the queen had balls, she'd be king.

The invasion happened. I don't see how exacerbating the problem helps anybody. These people willfully set up and voted in a theocratic government, and Islam itself unfortunately has yet to go through the bastardization process Christianity has. Giving free access to them to disperse across the globe is just another disaster waiting to happen.

 

[CptStern]

If the queen had balls, she'd be king.

ah touche ..you used one of my own sayings against me <golf clap>

The invasion happened. I don't see how exacerbating the problem helps anybody. These people willfully set up and voted in a theocratic government, and Islam itself unfortunately has yet to go through the bastardization process Christianity has. Giving free access to them to disperse across the globe is just another disaster waiting to happen.

? iraq was mostly secular during saddam's time ..only since the invasion/occupation has there been a rise in fundamentalist groups ..saddam took care of them when he was in power ...and what would you purpose we do? allow 3.5 million refugees to fend for themselves over something they had no part in? As I've already eluded to before; 3.5 million iraqis sailing into Ellis Island isnt going to happen anytime soon ..however it brings to light the issue of what to do about all the refugees who've lost everything due to the war? ..there should be some retribution ..lest they find their own means of exacting retribution ............

 

[Absinthe]

ah touche ..you used one of my own sayings against me <golf clap>

Lies!

...

Maybe.

? iraq was mostly secular during saddam's time ..only since the invasion/occupation has there been a rise in fundamentalist groups ..saddam took care of them when he was in power

My point exactly. In the vacuum of power, secularism was willfully abandoned for religion in government.

...and what would you purpose we do? allow 3.5 million refugees to fend for themselves over something they had no part in? As I've already eluded to before; 3.5 million iraqis sailing into Ellis Island isnt going to happen anytime soon ..however it brings to light the issue of what to do about all the refugees who've lost everything due to the war? ..there should be some retribution ..lest they find their own means of exacting retribution ............

Hence why I support sending humanitarian aid. The idea of taking in all the refugees just isn't feasible, and it brings up a whole other slew of problems. Ignoring the risks involved with bringing freshly bitter Muslims and possible terrorists onto US or British soil, the entire social adjustment would be horrid. Beyond issues of finding homes for and financially kickstarting everybody, there are still language barriers and the adaption to Western society. It's a perfect breeding ground for disenfranchised and disillusioned immigrants.

It is not my intention to shift responsibility from the US, but to some degree the Iraqi government needs to get its shit together and buckle down for the long haul. The USA can't be a babysitter for too much longer. Not only because it's impractical, but because we've demonstrated time and time again that we are absolutely atrocious with handling such a task. I'm surprised that anybody at this point would beseech us to grapple with that undertaking, even if the idea is born from some sense of justice.

 

[CptStern]

the problem doesnt lie with the iraqi government, the problem is the iraqi government (as a governing body) ..there's just so many factions trying to wrest power that they cant come to any sort of power sharing agreement ..and the extremist groups do everything in their power to hamper such efforts ...so long as the iraqi government remains a puppet of the US all will remain as it is.

 

[Absinthe]

The Iraqi government would be a mess regardless if American strings were attached or not. In fact, it could possibly be worse. That's a problem with regional mindsets.

Considering the very nature of that part of the world, any government brought into its own is either going to be:
A) A disorganized mess.
B) An oppressive, stifling body that can be either theocratic or secular.

Either way, the country's boned. Intervention is clearly pointless. And left to their own devices, they'll find their own ways to torture and kill each other to kingdom come. Travesty will manifest in one way or the other.

 

[mortiz]

I voted yes. I don't need to know how it will be done, I simply voted for it. Just as people didn't actually know how the Iraq war would be carried out or dealt with afterwards, they just voted for it.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Yes, making you as bad as them.

 

[B.Calhoun]

yup ..this thread is proof positive I hate america :upstare:

oh and I prefer Operation Iraqi Liberation




well I cant speak for 3.5 million iraqis but I',m sure there's more than a few of them who'd like to kick you all collectively in the ass


but it would be nice if you took responsibility for your mess ...

would be nice for other countries to step up to the plate when shit is SERIOUSLY F*CKED UP in the middle east(but then again i wouldnt look to canada for anything.. lol canada). They were killing each other and blowing up their homes/stores etc. before the US was there. and im glad that the US went over to the middle east and started taking action on terrorist leaders and tyrants like Saddam.

 

[CptStern]

would be nice for other countries to step up to the plate when shit is SERIOUSLY F*CKED UP in the middle east(but then again i wouldnt look to canada for anything.. lol canada). They were killing each other and blowing up their homes/stores etc. before the US was there. and im glad that the US went over to the middle east and started taking action on terrorist leaders and tyrants like Saddam.

yes because the middle east is actually a destination ..in fact if you go to the airport and ask for "2 tickets to the middle east, please" they'll look at you sympathetically point in the general direction of mecca and say "take a bus"

 

[Candy art]

Only if the US deports 3.5million illegals first.And also they have to adapt and asimalate. (sp?)

 

[Llama]

While this is clearly a morally correct idea, in practice it is simply impossible.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Umm, it's not a very good idea and just like communism, its only good in theory and lets not even talk about the practise.

Your elected government = your responsibility.

Ennui writes this from North Carolina in, "Third country perspective". Ennui, our elected government. Our responsibility. :cheers:

 

[Ridge]

Let me stress something here. I did not cause anyone to lose their homes. I did not ask for war. Oh and guess what? There's millions just like me in America who are in the same boat. One student's acting up, you don't punish the whole class. That's ridiculous. I'm all about humanitarian aid, but not bringing over 3 million people here because a goddamn moron and his goddamn moron administration can't handle anything correctly.

QFT.

Besides, its not like that would basically be inviting terrorists into our country with open arms....

 

[Solaris]

QFT.

Besides, its not like that would basically be inviting terrorists into our country with open arms....

Yes because refugees are terrorists. Hell why help them at all, the evil bastards, getting their families and homes blow up by OUR troops and what not.

 

[Ridge]

You are saying that if the US said that any Iraqi in a refugee camp was going to be sent to the US at no charge, that it would not be an open invitation to every terrorist in the region to hop a flight over?