Shrek 2 outed by christian fundys

I saw no "positives"


k I'll answer this one time and one time alone ..seeing as how you've flogged this point beyond recognition:

the nation of intolerance is the rise of fundamentalism typified by the blanket censorship of gay positive media, the denial of equal rights for same sex couples and the dissemination of hate propaganda
 
the nation of intolerance is the rise of fundamentalism typified by the blanket censorship of gay positive media, the denial of equal rights for same sex couples and the dissemination of hate propaganda
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And how does .000172 of a nation represent it as a whole? That means if I find roughly 5,500 NeoNazis in all of Canada, it is becoming a nation of hatred, bigotry, and anti-semitism.
 
sigh ....fundamentalism = the nation of intolerance
 
sigh ....fundamentalism = the nation of intolerance
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Sigh, overgeneralization = paranoia at its best.

I find it odd that you call others intolerant, but you seem more than willing to call others that disagree with you; 'bigots', 'warmongers', 'morons', 'intolerant', 'nutjubs' etc etc. For supporting civil unions, I have been called at least two of the above. Maybe we need to be evaluating who should be calling who intolerant.


.000172%
 
Hey, how about we slow this down so the kids in the class can catch up.

"Nation of intolerance" is Stern's nickname for the massive groups of christian fundamentalists in question. Nothing more or less.
He is NOT referring to the united states, and he is NOT refering to christianity.

So, to be completely clear, stern is saying that anti-gay christian fundamentalists are intolerant. This is a truism.
So enough with the going on and on and on.
 
So this was in reference to fundamentalists?
it's really becoming a nation of intolerance ...what's going on down there?
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Hmmmmm.... I believe the 'down there' part of the quote was in reference to Canda being directly north of its sister to the South....
 
seinfeldrules said:
So this was in reference to fundamentalists?


Hmmmmm.... I believe the 'down there' part of the quote was in reference to Canda being directly north of its sister to the South....
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Yes, well, the group in question is located there...
 
Yes, well, the group in question is located there...
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Are there not Christian groups like this in Canada as well? Besides, if he were referring to the groups then the phrase would have been:

"Man these groups are really intolerant".

Its not like they've changed their position. He was clearly implying that the US is becoming a nation run by fundamentalist nutjobs.
 
seinfeldrules said:
Its not like they've changed their position. He was clearly implying that the US is becoming a nation run by fundamentalist nutjobs.
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If he wanted to try and prove that, he can post some stats.

Either way, I believe his main line of discussion is about the nature of the groups, and not their location.
 
Either way, I believe his main line of discussion is about the nature of the groups, and not their location.
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Then was the jab really necessary? Seems pretty baiting to me. Especially when he knew that there were 43,000 members, and that merely represents .000172% of the US population.
 
seinfeldrules said:
He was clearly implying that the US is becoming a nation run by fundamentalist nutjobs.
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Yes, operative word being "becoming'. As in "not yet".

Stop focussing on what you believe is implied by what someone says, and actually address what they say.

Stern's point is this:
-Fundamentalism is increasingly prevalent in the US, and it is bad.

Now, do you have anything to add or say about that point, or are you going to continue to focus on the semantics of irrelevant details and imagined offenses?
 
Yes, operative word being "becoming'. As in "not yet".
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So you do agree that he meant the US.

Stop focussing on what you believe is implied by what someone says, and actually address what they say.
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OK, I was. I was focusing on the ridiculous statement that .000172% of a population are guiding a country's course. He included the statement in his post, if he didnt want to discuss it, then why post it?
-Fundamentalism is increasingly prevalent in the US, and it is bad.
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Is it increasingly prevalent, or decreasingly prevalent? Ask yourself if gay marriage was even being discussed 50 years ago.
 
I think everyone here knows Sterny's agenda. I think his post speaks for itself.
 
GhostFox said:
I think everyone here knows Sterny's agenda. I think his post speaks for itself.
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Please contribute to the thread's discussion or don't post in future.
 
Please contribute to the thread's discussion or don't post in future.
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That is contributing. Stern's agenda should be well known by now, so hopefully everyone can realize what he meant in his post and move on.
 
"people of god" cram down our throats. Stop trying to softball the fact that these are fanatical disseminators of hate
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Your also operating like a "disseminator of hate" (these were your words), considering your attitude badgers against religion most of the time.

However, lets cut one thing straight here:

First, were not all like that.
Second, just because you dont like Religion, does'nt mean we have to like it, or dislike it any further then you do. :farmer:
 
What will be next with these irrational christians and finding gayness in everything?

"Half-life 2 promotes gayness and crossdressing"
Gordon's lack of speech and gesture towards his female counterpart Alyx show that he is gay. Also the HEV suit looks like female clothes. Plus the Lambda symbol is a sign of gay rights.

This is getting ridiculous and is giving a bad name to all christians.
 
GhostFox said:
That is contributing.
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No, its picking personally at someone, rather that actually discussing the tread content.

Build a bridge and get over it. Its not like he's the only one who's biased.
 
seinfeldrules said:
And how does .000172 of a nation represent it as a whole? That means if I find roughly 5,500 NeoNazis in all of Canada, it is becoming a nation of hatred, bigotry, and anti-semitism.
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It isn't 5,500 hardcore religious fanatics in the US, there are a lot more, and a lot of them have a say in Washington, as well as the other state capitals. If there was just 5,500 of them, do you really think all of these hate crimes would be going on against peace loving people who just happen to be in love with their own sex?

When there are religious people that start talking anti-religious fundamentalism against a kind of people, how is the hardcore Christian movement in America with their hate against gays any different then hardcore Nazism with their hate towards Jews?
 
Don't just blame Christians about the whole 'anti-gay' thing. Many organized religions of the world oppose homosexuality.

Its all just selective bashing, with Christians and christianity as the preferred target, just because its the 'popular thing' right now.
 
Raziaar said:
Don't just blame Christians about the whole 'anti-gay' thing. Many organized religions of the world oppose homosexuality.

Its all just selective bashing, with Christians and christianity as the preferred target, just because its the 'popular thing' right now.
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Sorry, what i ment was the very hardcore Christian's who oppose homosexuality are the only ones doing it with any great extent in America. How do the other religions treat homosexuals, Islam is supposed to be a understanding religion, especially about other religions, even though the terrorists destroy that image.
 
Raziaar said:
Don't just blame Christians about the whole 'anti-gay' thing. Many organized religions of the world oppose homosexuality.

Its all just selective bashing, with Christians and christianity as the preferred target, just because its the 'popular thing' right now.
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yeah its a joint effort, and the church is getting the worse end of the stick, as always...

but i can also say, the church shouldnt get involved at all! if they had a bit of common sense and started living in this world, they would keep thier mouths shut, knowing that nothing they say will change anything.

im only speaking of the christian fundys of course.. :)

and this shrek 2 buisness... oh cmon its entertainment, and by doing this, the church has made it worse for themselves, people now watch shrek 2 looking for these sexual humours instead of enjoying the movie..

if they ignored it, people will not notice it. ffs religion these days...

Razor said:
Sorry, what i ment was the very hardcore Christian's who oppose homosexuality are the only ones doing it with any great extent in America. How do the other religions treat homosexuals, Islam is supposed to be a understanding religion, especially about other religions, even though the terrorists destroy that image.
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what can i say, religion without terrorists, Insurgents and fundamentalists would be cool. but thats just a dream, theres always the extremists in religion. :(
 
GhostFox said:
That is contributing. Stern's agenda should be well known by now, so hopefully everyone can realize what he meant in his post and move on.
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For f*ck's sake - most of the main posters on this dark, poison-filled corner of the forum have an agenda that is always and constantly on display in every single unfailingly-partisan post made, even - or perhaps especially - when they're only making a post in that thread to disagree with someone from the opposite end of the spectrum.

Stern has an agenda. Does that mean his arguments in this thread are thereby instantly negated? No.
 
everyone has the right to have thier opinions/'sources' read .. stern reads ours, so ill read his.

.. sometimes i will agree or sometimes disagree, depending on the topic tbh.
 
KoreBolteR said:
what can i say, religion without terrorists, Insurgents and fundamentalists would be cool. but thats just a dream, theres always the extremists in religion. :(
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Agreed, when somene supports a cause to a point of losing all rational thinking and presense in the real world, it is a bad thing, when they start recruiting like minded people, that is a very bad thing.
 
Mechagodzilla said:
Hey, how about we slow this down so the kids in the class can catch up.

"Nation of intolerance" is Stern's nickname for the massive groups of christian fundamentalists in question. Nothing more or less.
He is NOT referring to the united states, and he is NOT refering to christianity.

So, to be completely clear, stern is saying that anti-gay christian fundamentalists are intolerant. This is a truism.
So enough with the going on and on and on.
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you know me so well :)


seinfeldrules said:
Are there not Christian groups like this in Canada as well?
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yes, yes there is ..although no where near as vocal or prevalent
 
KoreBolteR said:
what can i say, religion without terrorists, Insurgents and fundamentalists would be cool. but thats just a dream, theres always the extremists in religion. :(
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Sadly yes, and there are always people who claim to fight for their god(s), while their real intention is something else.

And on a side note, why is RZAL banned? Clone account?
 
Smaller country means less people, therefore less chance of having fundamentalists.
 
Icarusintel said:
i love christian activists, they're so over-the-top, as long as they;re around we'll always have someone to laugh at
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Yeah I still can't wait for a fundy to come to my work and try and convert me :) . Nobody couldn't crack me.
 
ComradeBadger said:
Smaller country means less people, therefore less chance of having fundamentalists.
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But in a small country, the small groups are being heard also. In the country itself, that is, not on the wide world.
 
Yeah I still can't wait for a fundy to come to my work and try and convert me . Nobody couldn't crack me.
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Who would want to anyway? :D

But in a small country, the small groups are being heard also. In the country itself, that is, not on the wide world.
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So ... the solution is? :D
 
Wipe out anyone who doesn't agree with me. Isn't that the message?
 
We have plenty of wacko religious groups here. We even have our own version of St. Lake City, Bountiful B.C. which is a mormon polygamy colony.
 
Razor said:
Sorry, what i ment was the very hardcore Christian's who oppose homosexuality are the only ones doing it with any great extent in America. How do the other religions treat homosexuals, Islam is supposed to be a understanding religion, especially about other religions, even though the terrorists destroy that image.
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Islam is just as much, if not more against homosexuality.

http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/sex/s_homo.htm

Islam teaches that homosexual acts are sinful and punishable by God. This teaching comes not from human beings, but from the Creator of all humans. God tells us in His own words how He punished the people of Lot for their homosexual behaviour.
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Raziaar said:
Islam is just as much, if not more against homosexuality.

http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/sex/s_homo.htm
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At the bottom of the page, something interesting.:
Dear Reader,

I am against homosexuality but I must make it clear that this does not imply I am supportive, in any remote way, of violent attacks against homosexuals or harrassment of homosexuals. I do not in any way support those responsible for the murder, physical assault and abuse of homosexuals.

I am supportive of intellectual debates but not of taking the law of God into our hands.

Regards,
Webmaster of ITMR
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bliink said:
At the bottom of the page, something interesting.:
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Yeah. Thats the opinions of the webmaster. Not the teachings of Islam. I'm sure many people share his opinions. Being against homosexuality, but opposed to violent action. Those christian fundamentalists, while I don't support what they're doing... they certainly not resorting to violence yet.
 
Raziaar said:
Yeah. Thats the opinions of the webmaster. Not the teachings of Islam. I'm sure many people share his opinions. Being against homosexuality, but opposed to violent action. Those christian fundamentalists, while I don't support what they're doing... they certainly not resorting to violence yet.
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They are supporting oppression of homosexuals though.
 
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