Sir Winston Churchill On Islam

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Absinthe said:
Just spit it out already. Do you think the teachings of Islam are essentially teachings of hate? Is it not a matter of interpretation? Is there conclusive evidence that the Quran condones violence and intolerance? More relevant: Does it teach these things moreso than other religions?
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No. I think he's right in that
Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property
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I dont think they are essentially teachings of hate - I dont care. Personally I'm christian and I have no problems with Muslims, or with Islam. All I did was point out that Churchill is right about that quote in particular.
 
I don't think such things are the result of a religious teaching.
 
kmack said:
where would the US be without their oil?
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Where would the Arabs be without U.S. oil companies and U.S. dollars?

"Where do you find people who are so dumb? No, I mean seriously, where do you get people who have hundreds of billions, trillians of dollars, in oil money and can't drill a single oil well? I mean they are the dumbest people - you can't imagine how dumb they are. They've had oil since the 1920s. They are supplying half the worlds oil supplies. Without the American companies which they hate they can't drill a single oil well by themselves. Where do you get a people that are so stupid? With all their money you think they'd learn how to accomplish something. Instead they sit around in air-conditioned tents and smoke dope all day." -- Chaim Ben Pesach
 
PersecutedMonk said:
...Mohammed was a mass murderer and serial rapist. www.prophetofdoom.net
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First thing I read from prophetofdoom.net
Islam rises and falls on Muhammad. He is the religion's sole prophet...
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WRONG! I'm no expert, but I do at least know that Mohammed was, and I quote, "The Last Prophet". Not the first, not the only, THE LAST. Muslims believe in Jesus, just not as the Son of God, but as a Prophet. If they can't get that right, I'm not even going to bother with the rest of that website.
 
Absinthe said:
I don't think such things are the result of a religious teaching.
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No they are the result of a religious government and a constant drilling of religion into the proletariat.
 
I agree that the theocracies and similar establishments in the Middle East are what cause the damage, therefore being more of a governmental issue than a religious one.

It just irks me when people broadly attribute all problems in the Middle East to Islamic faith when it's the abuse of the faith that should be taking the blame. You could interchange religions all day with these people, but the underlying methods would still exist. You'd still get terrorism, you'd still get indoctrination, you'd still get coercion, etc... The only differences you'd see would be in the deity being worshipped and visual aesthetics.
 
Absinthe said:
I agree that the theocracies and similar establishments in the Middle East are what cause the damage
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Alright then, we're agreed. Theocracy = government by religion. Thus it isnt a government issue.
 
Edited my post for further clarification. So no, we don't really agree. :\
 
Absinthe said:
Are all these guys from Protest-Warrior or something? Because I'm beginning to wish that their little "surprise" visit never took place.

BTW, does that word really require censoring?
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Yup, there's a couple of trolls been over here, and you missed all the fun that went on today at their forums. It was a good read :LOL:
 
Atheofascism = government that denies Causality, First Amendment, and Bill Of Rights.
 
Absinthe said:
Edited my post for further clarification. So no, we don't really agree. :\
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NM. Agreed to disagree.
 
I don't think that term even exists. Regardless, what's your point?
 
America is currently an Atheofascist terrorist state in which Christians are persecuted and denied their First Amendment right. If the Constitution were applied today, at least seven members of the Supreme Court would be tried and executed for treason and religious hate crimes against Christianity.
 
PersecutedMonk said:
Atheofascism = government that denies Causality, First Amendment, and Bill Of Rights.
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Why would any other government than the US' care about your amandments and bill of rights?
 
PersecutedMonk said:
America is currently an Atheofascist terrorist state in which Christians are persecuted and denied their First Amendment right. If the Constitution were applied today, at least seven members of the Supreme Court would be tried and executed for treason and religious hate crimes against Christianity.
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Preach the word brotha!
 
PersecutedMonk said:
America is currently an Atheofascist terrorist state in which Christians are persecuted and denied their First Amendment right. If the Constitution were applied today, at least seven members of the Supreme Court would be tried and executed for treason and religious hate crimes against Christianity.
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Care to elaborate on this? Or are you content with posting vague rhetoric?

Oh, and please feel free to show me how you poor, poor Christians are having your rights violated. Last I checked, you're still able to practice your beliefs, and you have had no discrimination against you.

My guess is that you're only the victim when things aren't going your way.
 
Absinthe said:
Care to elaborate on this? Or are you content with posting vague rhetoric?

Oh, and please feel free to show me how you poor, poor Christians are having your rights violated. Last I checked, you're still able to practice your beliefs, and you have had no discrimination against you.

My guess is that you're only the victim when things aren't going your way.
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www.townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/ac20030925.shtml

In a public school in St. Louis, a teacher spotted the suspect, fourth-grader Raymond Raines, bowing his head in prayer before lunch. The teacher stormed to Raymond's table, ordered him to stop immediately and sent him to the principal's office. The principal informed the young malefactor that praying was not allowed in school. When Raymond was again caught praying before meals on three separate occasions, he was segregated from other students, ridiculed in front of his classmates, and finally sentenced to a week's detention.

Before snack time in her kindergarten class in Saratoga Springs, N.Y., little Kayla Broadus held hands with two of her classmates and recited this prayer: "God is good, God is great, thank you, God, for my food." The alert teacher pounced on Kayla, severely reprimanded her, and reported her to the school administration. In short order, the principal sent a sternly worded letter to Kayla's parents advising them that Kayla was not allowed to pray in school, aloud or with others.

The school board then issued a triumphant press release crowing about its victory over a kindergartner praying before snack time. Thus was creeping theocracy in Saratoga Springs stopped dead in its tracks! Kayla's mother brought a lawsuit, winning Kayla the right to pray out loud. But she was still prohibited from holding hands with others while she prayed. Hearing the G-word in kindergarten might interfere with the school's efforts to teach proper sexual techniques in the first grade.

Thanks to the vigilance of an alert teacher at Lynn Lucas Middle School outside of Houston, two sisters carrying Bibles were prevented from bringing their vile material into a classroom. The teacher stopped the students at the classroom door and marched them to the principal's office. (Maybe it was just the sight of public school students carrying a book of any kind that set off alarm bells.) The sisters' mother was called and warned that the school intended to report her to Child Protective Services. When the mother arrived, the teacher threw the Bibles in the wastebasket, shouting, "This is garbage!"

In another display of tolerance at Lynn Lucas Middle School, school administrators snatched three students' books with covers displaying the Ten Commandments, ripped the covers off, threw them in the garbage, and told the students that the Ten Commandments constituted "hate speech." (Also, it would be insensitive to expose the Ten Commandments to students who had never been taught to count to 10.)
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And for those of you who don't believe these accounts of the Persecution of Christianity in America and the Satanic left-wing Nazi attempt to make the First Amendment (Prayer In School) illegal:

http://www.stoptheaclu.org/

Folks, will this get you motivated to stop the ACLU? They asked a judge to jail school administrators for allowing a prayer over a Louisiana high school PA system. Read more here and here. It's time to mobilize! The ACLU is an utterly wicked organization and we need to band together like never before.
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And let's not forget about the federal vandalization of the Ten Commandments displays and the desecration of the First Amendment.

www.morallaw.org
 
Of course, and these are representative of the entire country? A few schools and isolated incidents! Bravo! Persecution of Christians is obviously widespread!

Of course, we'll just conveniently forget that iMax theatres won't show films containing references to evolution. We'll forget that fundie groups have pressured Microsoft into changing its stance on a bill. We'll forget that Christians have been moderately successful when it comes to pushing dissenting views out of school curriculums. And we'll most certainly forget that American schools, by and large, allow prayer in school and don't persecute people of different faiths.

Oh jeez, I wonder why people may have issues with prayer being read over the PA system in a school. Hmm, maybe because some people don't have those beliefs and don't want them forced down their throats? And you conveniently forget that the ACLU has helped Christian organizations many a time, so you're really only talking out of your ass.

Your "Satanic left-wing Nazi" comment only confirms how insane you truly are. And not just because it's extreme nature, but because of its contradictory nature. Left-wing Nazi? You're shitting me, right?

And let's not forget about the federal vandalization of the Ten Commandments displays and the desecration of the First Amendment.
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We're a secular government. Get used to it. And no, that's not a violation of the First Amendment.
 
nononono

this is not a wide spread camgain to destroy christainity in america. its just a few crazy lefties that are trying to stop it in isolated accounts. stop acting as if u jews in nazi germany. if u want it to stop, just tackle each issue as they come by, by acting out in a loud manner as this you are just bringing bad plubicity to yourself. be calmer and state how this is a violation of your rights, make the difference between "freedom of" and "freedom from" religion
 
Eg. said:
nononono

this is not a wide spread camgain to destroy christainity in america. its just a few crazy lefties that are trying to stop it in isolated accounts. stop acting as if u jews in nazi germany. if u want it to stop, just tackle each issue as they come by, by acting out in a loud manner as this you are just bringing bad plubicity to yourself. be calmer and state how this is a violation of your rights, make the difference between "freedom of" and "freedom from" religion
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Whoah, dude... I think that's the first post you've ever made that I agree with.
 
Since when aren't Imax theaters allowed to show evolution? The Norwalk Marine Museum near me has a massive Imax screen that shows nothing but nature documentaries on stuff like that.
 
Wow, how many more of Bodacious' chums are there? There's been ten or so people banned this afternoon :|
 
jondyfun said:
Wow, how many more of Bodacious' chums are there? There's been ten or so people banned this afternoon :|
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ya persecuted monk and moderatecentrist to name a few (both right winger bible thumpers by the way)
 
just for the record, the term "jihad" is one of the most misused terms in America. In actuality, there are two forms:

the GREATER Jihad is the war waged within oneself, in order to act properly/be riteous/etc

the LESSER Jihad is the fight to convert others to Islam.


I'm not muslim myself (hell, I dunno what the **** I am- I'll decide after college) but I thought this might be useful to know.
 
Direwolf said:
Since when aren't Imax theaters allowed to show evolution? The Norwalk Marine Museum near me has a massive Imax screen that shows nothing but nature documentaries on stuff like that.
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http://www.cinemaminima.com/correspondents/soares/index.php?id=P607

Granted, it's not spread across the nation, but the number of theatres refusing to show this kind of stuff is growing, and more are becoming cautious as to what content they display.
 
jesus, where are all the reasonable people in these states? Why is no one speaking out against this? come on they cant all be christian fundamentalists ...I'd storm the capital if they did something like that here in canada ...that's just wrong is so many ways
 
Well its just a private business. They're allowed the right to discriminate what they want to show. We can just go elsewhere.
 
yes but it's not just the film ...the moralification of america seems to be everywhere
 
My own personal experience is that when this stuff is at it's absolute worst its only still just a fad perpetrated by crazy people with momentum. Most normal people come around eventually.
I'm actually reminded of the Great Morality Crusade by Captain Black in Catch-22. It gets larger and larger and then comes tumbling down because it gets in peoples way.
 
BenjaminH0gie said:
Mohammed was one hell of a scam artist, I will tell yuo that much, He basdically took the old testament, reworded it, and added killing infedels.
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so you admit Christianity is as bad as the Islam described by Churchill?
 
PersecutedMonk said:
Obviously you have never read the Quran or the Hadith. The Bible and Quran have certain historical facts in common, however Jesus said love your enemies, do unto others etc., and never murdered anyone. Mohammed was a mass murderer and serial rapist. www.prophetofdoom.net
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LOL
"The site you are trying to view has been blocked by Safesurf"

dammit I hate censorship.
 
during the cruasdes, the christian slaughtered muslims, in captured towns, however SAladin let the Jews and Christians live in muslim controlled towns in peace. Historically,Christians are far more evil than Muslims
 
Direwolf said:
I think they all got banned Jelly. :D
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oops lol. someone tell me the forum they came from!!!!!!! Protest-warrior? I think I've been there before.
 
PersecutedMonk said:
You might claim to be Muslim but the truth is you are most likely a fraud and if you are not a fraud you are an apostate and Allah says in the Quran (the 9th Sura) that he will personally torment you in Hell if you don't wage perpetual jihad against infidels.
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Well...even though your ass is banned, I'll still respond to this post.

People are GROSSLY misinformed about Jihad. A "Holy War" is only a tiny fragment of jihad, and in it's essence, it should only be called in a self-defence type situation. Anyways, Jihad almost literally translates to "Struggle." A struggle within yourself, with your surroundings, with others. I face a Jihad every day. I pal around with many non-Muslims who don't share the same convinctions I do. When I get offered a drink, a smoke or some weed, I turn it down. Why? Because my faith tells me so, and I find no reason not to follow it. That IS a jihad.

As for the whole infedel part, I don't have a Qu'ran available to me immediately, but I'll try and check to see if your words have any meaning, albeit misinterpreted.

Edit: JNightshade, no one was ever forced to become Muslim. People in new Muslim captured territories had the choice of either converting, or paying a tax. Historically, Islam has spread far, far more through times of peace instead of times of war. Hell.....look at the Mongols.
 
its simple.....All Relgions suck there poisen to the mind escpecialy Islam and Cristanity
 
Lemonking said:
its simple.....All Relgions suck there poisen to the mind escpecialy Islam and Cristanity
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It's a wonder that with all your linguistic skills, vast knowledge and experience, and undeniable research and proof that more people aren't just flocking under your banner.
 
This thread was just an excuse to attack Muslims by two members (who are banned).

Discussion is revolving around this and PW so I'll close it.
 
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