so why did 7 fall? (you'll LOCK THIS! anyway)

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JESUS CHRIST, I just tried to write a topic on this a few mins ago, to no avail, since I accidently activated a key-combo that prematurely closed my window...:'(
Now, to the Solomon's building...
...being the only steel-building in the world (so far) that ever failed only due to fire?
How come the whole structure failed at once although we can't argue only a maximum of a third of it was burning at that time?
And even if it's possible for such an overdesigned building to fail after a few hours OF [exagerate]AN AMAZINGLY IMMENSE HOT BLAZE OF SCORCHING FIRE[/exagerate], as I mentioned the actually damaged part of the building should have come down earlier than the rest of the site.

Now, for the conspiracy stuff...
Some dude recently showed up who stated he was a security officer in wtc 7
(there's an video of that alleged person on the day of 9/11)
(damn, can't find it now. I just remember it was a black guy with broken glasses, speaking of getting to "the eigth floor" and then adding about an explosion which "through us back to the eigth floor", after having said he intended to go the 23rd story...now, if he was talking about 7 after all, it makes sense, because as a security guy you would seek the mayor who at the time had his emergency bunker located on the 23rd story of that building)
(oh, about 23, the collapse of 7 was reported 23 minutes to early *lol* [no, this indicates nothing. No sarcasm, nobody would tell the press about his conspiracy :3], it had 2x23 stories, excluding the ground floor and had the fateful bunker on the 23rd floor, just a lil' coincidence here.)


Ah, where's my mind at?
Yeah, the security guy... So he means, he witnessed ground level explosions on 7 before flight 175 hit...
I think he's speaking the truth, after all, if you pretended to be someone, there would be the possibility of somebody exposing your fraud by telling everybody that he was in fact the guy on the tape, and somebody tried to make up a story based on him, yet such a thing hasn't happened so far.
Anyway, even if this guy, who basically just reinforces the idea he allegedly tried to deliver on the news on 9/11, wasn't represented on that particular video, we still can assume the person in the video spoke of explosions having occured in wtc 7....
and even if he wasn't talking about 7 in particular, we can assume that there was some kind of odd off-place explosion occuring very much on the ground level in one of the three optional buildings...what seems odd enough to fuel my conspiracy theories, if you ask me!
 
Nah, I personally don't think it was him...after all, he didn't sign a insurance contract of about 3.5 billion dollars just in case the wtc should be attacked one month prior to 9/11...
But, oh well, even if we struggle through our hardest times, if facts are dismissed and such dismissals debunked, and that whole process reversed over and over again, there'll always be one emergency solution...
JEWS LOLOLOLOL
 
well how do we know the jewish controlled media isnt trying to make us believe that the government is behind 9/11 just so they can bomb the **** out of palestinians?
 
Why would the government want to blow up WTC7 too? Didn't they think the other two building were enough?
 
"Wasn't 9/11 enough of a conspiracy to make the theorists happy? Religious fanatics, directed by God, conspired to use planes as suicide bombs. They conspired to demolish an American landmark, to kill thousands of people and to crush the economy, the liberty and spirit of the greatest nation on earth. So they did it on a low budget with pure cunning and psychotic determination. Don't the conspiracy nuts realize that sometimes something simple and small and crazy and mean can destroy something big and beautiful?"
-Penn Jillette
 
ewww that quote oozes patriotism like a puss filled open wound ......I like my "too stupid to tie shoelaces much less orchestrate the mother of all conspracies" theory better
 
CptStern said:
ewww that quote oozes patriotism like a puss filled open wound ......I like my "too stupid to tie shoelaces much less orchestrate the mother of all conspracies" theory better
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Yeah there is a patriotic odour about it but it still works me thinks.
 
AJ Rimmer said:
"Wasn't 9/11 enough of a conspiracy to make the theorists happy? Religious fanatics, directed by God, conspired to use planes as suicide bombs. They conspired to demolish an American landmark, to kill thousands of people and to crush the economy, the liberty and spirit of the greatest nation on earth. So they did it on a low budget with pure cunning and psychotic determination. Don't the conspiracy nuts realize that sometimes something simple and small and crazy and mean can destroy something big and beautiful?"
-Penn Jillette
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Maybe I came across a little drastic at first, but Im still futile in my beliefs that things just do not add up 9/11 and 7/7, I just dont think a small band of terrorists with limited technology and funds could orchestrate something like that and be as successful as they were without help on the inside.

NOTHING is clear cut on those bombings, their too many pieces of the puzzle missing, too many secrets about those days. Not saying Im right, because i might be wrong, but I just dont trust the American goverment just like I dont trust ours.
 
AJ Rimmer said:
Yeah there is a patriotic odour about it but it still works me thinks.
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ya ..penn is a little too patriotic for my liking (and more than a bit of an alarmist) but the quote still works
 
^Then can you please present any evidence that hasn't been rejected by scientists?

EDIT: mmm, Penn & Peller do nothing but whine about things that are wrong in the country and still thinks it's the best in the world.
 
WTF is wrong with being patriotic? Jesus ****ing Christ have you people taken THAT term too and turned it into a bad thing? For ****s sake... get off your high horses you assholes.
 
Shift said:
Maybe I came across a little drastic at first, but Im still futile in my beliefs that things just do not add up 9/11 and 7/7, I just dont think a small band of terrorists with limited technology and funds could orchestrate something like that and be as successful as they were without help on the inside.

NOTHING is clear cut on those bombings, their too many pieces of the puzzle missing, too many secrets about those days. Not saying Im right, because i might be wrong, but I just dont trust the American goverment just like I dont trust ours.
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EVERYTHING is clear cut, and they weren't bombings. It's been laid to rest many times, but idiotic conspiracy theorists choose to conveniently deny the truth (as well as the law of physics) in order to have some reason to go all shifty eyed.
 
DerbyDriver1985 said:
WTF is wrong with being patriotic? Jesus ****ing Christ have you people taken THAT term too and turned it into a bad thing? For ****s sake... get off your high horses you assholes.
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earth to crazy guy ..there's "hey I'm proud to be ______" patriotism and then there's "if you dont support your country in everything you do you;'re a traitor" type of patriotism

the latter type is the bad kind in case you didnt know
 
Hmm, four posts and you've already started to call other members assholes. Good going.

There's nothing wrong with patriotism in itself, but it gets bad when it starts to cloud your judgement. Screaming "*insert country here* #1!" constantly is actually pretty counter-productive, as it prevents you from finding and criticizing flaws in the country.
 
Shift said:
NOTHING is clear cut on those bombings, their too many pieces of the puzzle missing, too many secrets about those days.
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The support beams were pretty clearly cut. Diagonally.
 
The Monkey said:
^Then can you please present any evidence that hasn't been rejected by scientists?

EDIT: mmm, Penn & Peller do nothing but whine about things that are wrong in the country and still thinks it's the best in the world.
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I can't remember anybody so far rejected anyhting related to 7 so far, in fact NIST excluded their own collapse-theory from their latest statements!
 
For some reason the U.S government recycled the remnants of building #7 almost immediately after it collapsed. Why would you as a government destroy the remnants of the worst terrorist attack in history before the cause of the collapse could be examined?
 
TheDude said:
For some reason the U.S government recycled the remnants of building #7 almost immediately after it collapsed. Why would you as a government destroy the remnants of the worst terrorist attack in history before the cause of the collapse could be examined?
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Do you have any proof of this or is this just another hair brained accusation?

Also... the only reason I'm posting here is because this "AMERICA IS EVIL OMG OMG ****ING STUPID REDNECK HICK FAT LAZY AMERICANS GOD DAMNIT" shit drives me UP THE WALL. I'm venting my frustration by defending myself and my fellow Americans (yes, there are plenty of fat, stupid, lazy, redneck hick americans out there to make fun of... but that's a very, VERY low percentage of this country) from all of you band wagon America haters who don't think for yourselves, but instead choose to spit typical rhetoric that you learn from TV. So far, most of the replies to anything I have said have been met with the very same rhetoric I was talking about! How funny!
 
Terrorists blew stuff up and no scientific inquiry into the whole mess has yielded any evidence of foul play on the part of the US government.

Unless you think they're in on it too.
 
Because seven eight nine.

Also... the only reason I'm posting here is because this "AMERICA IS EVIL OMG OMG ****ING STUPID REDNECK HICK FAT LAZY AMERICANS GOD DAMNIT" shit drives me UP THE WALL.
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You should probably see your doctor and check your blood pressure.

They have medicine that can calm you down. It even makes the blood vessels in your eye become less obvious.
 
W4d5Y said:
I can't remember anybody so far rejected anyhting related to 7 so far, in fact NIST excluded their own collapse-theory from their latest statements!
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NIST hasn't excluded anything. Their report on WTC7 isn't due out until early next year if I recall correctly.

You asked why the builing failed? Why are you asking this question, because a conspiracy blog you read asked you the same stupid question? WTC 7 housed all the generators for keeping rest of the WTC complex up and running incase of an emergency. Generators run on diesel fuel, diesel fuel is a great fuel for a strong fire, and there was plenty of it in that building.

In fact the NYFD was saying hours before it happened that the building was going to collapse because of large cracks that could be seen throughout the exterior of the structure. Does that mean the NYFD was in on this entire conspiracy too? How many thousand other people would be required to be in on this?

I hate these stupid "truth" movements, they make me want to vomit. All these people that believe this shit are factually retarted and are continually being disproven. Every time someone disproves one of their "theories" they pull another one of their asses. You can not win with these people, they are batshit crazy.
 
DerbyDriver1985 said:
Do you have any proof of this or is this just another hair brained accusation?

Also... the only reason I'm posting here is because this "AMERICA IS EVIL OMG OMG ****ING STUPID REDNECK HICK FAT LAZY AMERICANS GOD DAMNIT" shit drives me UP THE WALL. I'm venting my frustration by defending myself and my fellow Americans (yes, there are plenty of fat, stupid, lazy, redneck hick americans out there to make fun of... but that's a very, VERY low percentage of this country) from all of you band wagon America haters who don't think for yourselves, but instead choose to spit typical rhetoric that you learn from TV. So far, most of the replies to anything I have said have been met with the very same rhetoric I was talking about! How funny!
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Check it out B.

No Limit said:
NIST hasn't excluded anything. Their report on WTC7 isn't due out until early next year if I recall correctly.

You asked why the builing failed? Why are you asking this question, because a conspiracy blog you read asked you the same stupid question? WTC 7 housed all the generators for keeping rest of the WTC complex up and running incase of an emergency. Generators run on diesel fuel, diesel fuel is a great fuel for a strong fire, and there was plenty of it in that building.

In fact the NYFD was saying hours before it happened that the building was going to collapse because of large cracks that could be seen throughout the exterior of the structure. Does that mean the NYFD was in on this entire conspiracy too? How many thousand other people would be required to be in on this?

I hate these stupid "truth" movements, they make me want to vomit. All these people that believe this shit are factually retarted and are continually being disproven. Every time someone disproves one of their "theories" they pull another one of their asses. You can not win with these people, they are batshit crazy.
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There's nothing wrong with investigating and arguing a story that doesn't piece together as it should. If people took a more detailed and thoughtful look at some of the ****-ups that have happened in history, those ****-ups may have been prevented. Take for example the United States invading Iraq; if the American people had slowed down for a moment and thought about the actual reason we went into Iraq and how unjust it was, they may have done something to stop it. Instead we ate up the spoon fed propaganda on how evil Saddam Hussein was and how we must remove him from power, even though we had no reason to do so(other than the fact that he was a dictator who killed a few people and had a shit load of oil. But why didn't we remove Kim Jong Ill, who declared his nuclear weapons and is perhaps one of the most evil people in politics.) If people take a more through look at some of the unjust political moves that our unjust politicians make, then maybe we can prevent and make this country a better place to live. /rant
 
There's nothing wrong with investigating and arguing a story that doesn't piece together as it should.
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There is a lot to be investigated, and it has nothing to do with your idiotic conspiracy theories. I just gave you a bunch of facts as to why that building collaped. Unlike you I didn't pull these facts out of my ass. Yet no matter how many of these simple facts are throwing in your face you will pretent you know more about this than structural engineers that do this for a living. You didn't address a single thing I said, yet your next post will repeat the same bullshit about how that building couldn't have collapsed. Like I said, you people make me sick. The fact this comes from the left makes us all look like idiots. You are doing Bush and co a great service, congratulations.
 
No Limit said:
There is a lot to be investigated, and it has nothing to do with your idiotic conspiracy theories. I just gave you a bunch of facts as to why that building collaped. Unlike you I didn't pull these facts out of my ass. Yet no matter how many of these simple facts are throwing in your face you will pretent you know more about this than structural engineers that do this for a living. You didn't address a single thing I said, yet your next post will repeat the same bullshit about how that building couldn't have collapsed. Like I said, you people make me sick. The fact this comes from the left makes us all look like idiots. You are doing Bush and co a great service, congratulations.
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My question was why they government was so quick to destroy the remains of the building. I wasn't trying to say how the the building collapsed. Diesel fuel may have been the cause of the collapse, but that had nothing to do with my question.
 
TheDude said:
My question was why they government was so quick to destroy the remains of the building. I wasn't trying to say how the the building collapsed. Diesel fuel may have been the cause of the collapse, but that had nothing to do with my question.
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What do you mean by quick?
 
Shift said:
things just do not add up 9/11 and 7/7
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They do add up. And quite easily too.

1 and 9/11


But seriously though.... I think the whole conspiracy crap is retarded. There's lots of stuff you have on this current administration that is valid and legit, but that's not one of them. There's no grand conspiracy concocted by the US government in any way that caused those plane bombs.
 
HAY GUYZ I HURD THERE WUR BOMB SNIFFING DOGS IN WTC AND LIEK WTF BUSH KNEW
 
TheDude said:
If you don't want to discuss GTFO. No one is telling you to read this discussion. If this thread is so stupid and nonsensical please enlighten me as to the reason or take a hike.
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This is a discussion? More like <insert idiot here> saying 'but the toweres were liek rilly big, an then there woz an explozion and omgz conspiracy'. Go spout this crap somewhere else
 
I dont recall you having any right to say where we can post this 'crap', if <insert idiot here> dont like it, dont post in here.
 
This really has been done to death though, and the conspiracies have all been shown to be BS.
 
Shift said:
I dont recall you having any right to say where we can post this 'crap', if <insert idiot here> dont like it, dont post in here.
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I have EVERY right to say it. Unfortunately not the power to enforce it here. :(
 
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