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[clarky003]

1. Dont comment on how impossible 'you' may think they are

2. try to constructively add ideas into how to possibly make it work,
and see where the thread goes, try to feel enlightened if you can while adding to the conversation,

ill start us off : Mentality, the core of it all, EGO, the major root emotional cause of today's violence in society , which is begining to strangle our very human rights.... if we can control our ego, shape our inner self for the better, it should reflect on, and have immediate effect in our outer world.

basically lets try and be very civilised, try and get as far away from self importance, and monkey's, as we possibly can , because we must all feel we are starting to move beyond all of that somewhere in our very confused minds, some more so than others .

 

[ShadowFox]

What do you mean make it work? Socialism is working to certain extents already in many countries.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

My dream is to make a working communist state populated entirely by robots.

It bypasses the whole corruption thing that messed it up in the first place.

 

[bliink]

My dream is to make a working communist state populated entirely by robots.

It bypasses the whole corruption thing that messed it up in the first place.

robots would be too hard... how about monkeys? :monkee: :monkee: :monkee:

 

[Eg.]

the thing is, socialism only works sometimes in certain circumstances.

healthcare=bad

i cnat think of anything else, too late for me

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

.. Um.. why not have people take care of themselves rather than creating a government system to try and redistribute wealth and take charge of their care?

Anyway, everyone would have to have a perfect personality.

 

[Spartan]

Finland is partially a socialist country. It works fine, until they start getting ideas about privatization, which is already happening. Then we're probably ****ed.

For example, health care is mostly provided by the government. It's quality health care, but waiting lines and personnel shortage are becoming a problem. Everything is pretty high quality here. Then they'll make everything private, and we'll get even better quality! Except no one can afford it! What fun!

 

[HunterSeeker]

The problem with healthcare (The Socialistdemocrats are the party with the most power in sweden) is not that it is not of sufficient quality, is the same as in Finland, you have to wait in lines if it is not an emergency.

I think the fact that most communist societys failed becouse they where not a democracy. It is the corruption of the leaders that are the biggest problem IMO.

Was it not chile that became communist the democratic way? But it did not stay that becouse the USA provided some groups in the country that opposed communsism with weapons and other equipment of war, then those groups replaced the democratically elected goverment with a dictator that had 30 000 + murdered...

 

[The Monkey]

robots would be too hard... how about monkeys? :monkee: :monkee: :monkee:

I vote for that!

 

[Tropico]

The problem with healthcare (The Socialistdemocrats are the party with the most power in sweden) is not that it is not of sufficient quality, is the same as in Finland, you have to wait in lines if it is not an emergency.

I think the fact that most communist societys failed becouse they where not a democracy. It is the corruption of the leaders that are the biggest problem IMO.

Was it not chile that became communist the democratic way? But it did not stay that becouse the USA provided some groups in the country that opposed communsism with weapons and other equipment of war, then those groups replaced the democratically elected goverment with a dictator that had 30 000 + murdered...

USA messed around alot with next door nieghbors politcs nicaragua is another example.
But in those days their foreign policy was some subtle and intelligent than now.

 

[clarky003]

I vote for that!

i said , no , monkeys

 

[Sprafa]

Communism would work if it went Global. Communist Totalitarism was only necessary because the populaces still remembered and were attracted to "richer" times. Therefore they had to be forced to change.

I'm imagining a Communist world ruled by an AI

 

[falconwind]

The ironic thing is that both Socialist systems, and Conservative systems ultimately result in governments that are VERY controlling, to the point of sometimes become totalitarian states.

Socialist systems, however, don't include totalitarianism as being part of the package, but rather it becomes a necessity.

Conservative systems seem to inherantly work towards totalitarianism.

 

[DoctorGordon3]

1. Dont comment on how impossible 'you' may think they are

2. try to constructively add ideas into how to possibly make it work,
and see where the thread goes, try to feel enlightened if you can while adding to the conversation,

ill start us off : Mentality, the core of it all, EGO, the major root emotional cause of today's violence in society , which is begining to strangle our very human rights.... if we can control our ego, shape our inner self for the better, it should reflect on, and have immediate effect in our outer world.

basically lets try and be very civilised, try and get as far away from self importance, and monkey's, as we possibly can , because we must all feel we are starting to move beyond all of that somewhere in our very confused minds, some more so than others .

I'm impressed yet again, you recognize Tesla's #1 problem with the world.

 

[HunterSeeker]

Socialist systems, however, don't include totalitarianism as being part of the package, but rather it becomes a necessity.

I dont see why. I actually think that has been the major problem with communsit societys, that they have not been democracys.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

The ironic thing is that both Socialist systems, and Conservative systems ultimately result in governments that are VERY controlling, to the point of sometimes become totalitarian states.

Socialist systems, however, don't include totalitarianism as being part of the package, but rather it becomes a necessity.

Conservative systems seem to inherantly work towards totalitarianism.

Which is why the libertarian ideology is correct. I'd be a member of the part if it weren't for abortion, however.

 

[what!?]

ill start us off : Mentality, the core of it all, EGO, the major root emotional cause of today's violence in society , which is begining to strangle our very human rights.... if we can control our ego, shape our inner self for the better, it should reflect on, and have immediate effect in our outer world.

Flat out wrong. Ego is what drives human progress forward. It is not only healthy, but essential.

 

[clarky003]

what!?

thats your opinion, you'll find that having a big ego doesnt nesserserily mean your clever, or can push things forward for the better... its like saying my willy is bigger than yours and my ego says im proud of it,... no one really benifits but me.

 

[what!?]

Politics is about peoples' opinions.

True a big ego doesn't guarantee a person success (and it can even hurt people), but it doest push socitey forward. Nobody wants to be second best, so they work for first.

P.S. I'm not saying that people with big egos are good people or that I respect all of them.

 

[Shad0hawK]

1. Dont comment on how impossible 'you' may think they are

2. try to constructively add ideas into how to possibly make it work,
and see where the thread goes, try to feel enlightened if you can while adding to the conversation,

ill start us off : Mentality, the core of it all, EGO, the major root emotional cause of today's violence in society , which is begining to strangle our very human rights.... if we can control our ego, shape our inner self for the better, it should reflect on, and have immediate effect in our outer world.

basically lets try and be very civilised, try and get as far away from self importance, and monkey's, as we possibly can , because we must all feel we are starting to move beyond all of that somewhere in our very confused minds, some more so than others .

1. how about how "impossible" we KNOW it is due to history and human nature?

2. i really do not know any, except to give up on this outmoded 19th century idea(regarding "modern" socialism) anyway.

as for your last 2 paragraphs, you sound alot like dr. breen in the beginning of HL2...spooky.

on a more serious note...

i think you describe the failure of socialism well, humans are human. when the government in a socialist country assumes total power those in control of the govt. are corrupted by it...and in socialism at some point the govt. always has total power.

i think the world will improve much when socialists stop being so terrified of individuality. or as Thoreau put it:

"There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all its own power and authority are derived, and treats him accordingly"

if people were capable of being as you described, we would not need a socialist political dogma(and a government to enforce it) to tell us how to behave, we would simply do it as a matter of course.

 

[el Chi]

the thing is, socialism only works sometimes in certain circumstances.

healthcare=bad

i cnat think of anything else, too late for me

That's not entirely true. I strongly believe every single government should have strong elements of Socialism - free healthcare, education, benefits, etc. Most public services ought to be nationalised - public transport, trains, etc. (as we've seen, nationalising the trains was such a very good idea...)
Communism, whilst a nice idea, will no longer work - and I'm not going to go down the tired old "the inherent greed of all men" path. The main reason it wouldn't work as far as I see it is that it is over 150 years old. Think how drastically the world has changed in the last century and a half, and the priniciples and situations Marx was extolling - whilst they are still interesting - are for the most part no longer relevant. Some of them may be interesting or some may be adaptable to fit in one sytstem or another, but generally it is no longer a realistic goal for the developed world. Perhaps some situations might be right in 3rd or developing nations, but they're generally too poor and reliant on the 1st world for it to be able to work properly for them.