Some things you may have missed in the debate

[fiznut]

Well, first of all. I am fiznut, and i'm new here. So go ahead and bash me for being a newbie to the forum, because after all, you are hilarious. :cheese:

After hearing all the debate about AI being scripted and what not, I have successfully come up with some discussable issues of my own. There might be traces of beta talk in here, but that's inevitable.

First of all, I would like to point out that Half-Life2 is going to have some killer electro industrual type music Friend of mine sent me some music from the beta release (I never got the beta.. don't wanna ruin anything) and from the two songs I heard, it sounds amazing! If you don't like that style of music, it probably won't matter, because it will most likely be in the background, pumping up your heart without you even knowing it. But hell, gotta love Valve and their music, wherever it comes from. HL1 was good. =)

Next, you might find Alyx to be somewhat of a hottie . Even if she's not, she's most certainly changable to a more suitable woman Not trying to be sexist, or offend any females on these boards... But hey, Alyx has some bigguns.. Valve has always supported mods, and made their products extremely modifiable, so more than likely, we can make some kind of mod to exploit her... sexual features. Hooray for eye candy.

The third point i'd like to make (I know, this thread is pointless.. Just discuss, and don't question) is that HL2 is going to look damn good and play very well with all the physics in the Source engine. Even if it is scripted just like HL1, who gives a damn. The game is gonna be fun as hell anyhow. It's almost up there with Doom 3 graphic wise (Doom may beat it, but I firmly beleive HL2 will have a much better story).

I know this thread has no point to it.. But hell, just ignore me and discuss it a little.. Lighten up about the AI scripted/No AI scripted debates 8) Lets be friends.. rofl :cheers:

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edited because I contradicted myself.. numerous times.. damnit

 

[manny_c44]

Music is good.

Polygonal porn is bad.

This thread is shit, and I wouldn't be suprised if you were aswell. :cheers:

-This is not the kind of attitude we're looking for around here. Be more considerate next time.

 

[Hudson]

1. people say that the door will get kicked down anyways. let me ask them this. HOW THE HELL ELSE IS HE GOING TO GET IN? Break through the metal grated window? Be realistic.

2. there WILL be pron mods. With technology as sweet as this, there are probably hundreds of people waiting to get their hands on the SDK and start scripting sex scenes lol.

3. I truley believe DoomIII is possible of greater detail then HL2. On Doom3 Characters bodies, if you think things are just textured in, theyre not. Every crevace of their bodies is indivuidually moddeled.

4. Of couse HL2 will have a better story, DoomIIIs just goes along the lines of "hell, deamons, shoot"

 

[ferd]

disagree with you hudson, D3 will probably have a story...only the game will suck, believe me. I dont care about the details on models. I care about how the game plays. As for the scripted sequence...yes its true, the doors goes open even if the soldier is dead...i tested it and from the moment the soldier has decided to follow you this mean the door will open eventualy. I do think thats its possible to let the NPC's open doors non-scripted. Because nonetheless i have already seen some serious NON-scripted AI. So i still have alot of confidence in Valve and HL2.

 

[dud3]

Next, you might find Alyx to be somewhat of a hottie . Even if she's not, she's most certainly changable to a more suitable woman Not trying to be sexist, or offend any females on these boards... But hey, Alyx has some bigguns.. Valve has always supported mods, and made their products extremely modifiable, so more than likely, we can make some kind of mod to exploit her... sexual features. Hooray for eye candy.

You have my vote for that one!

 

[Dhoco X]

I played doom and doom2, the same history. Doom 3 will be the same thing.

*End of the world
*Demons appears to kill the all human race.
*All the people gets insane.
* Kill ! Kill ! Kill ! Buaaarrrrrrrghhh !

And OMG this is not a history !

 

[Mcn@sty]

People were more pissed about the mis-understanding that came from gabes commentary during the e3 demo regarding the "none of this is scripted" than the game actually having some scripted sequences.

 

[crabcakes66]

doom3 looks good if you have a fetish for shiny metal......otherwise....hl2 looks much better.

 

[Sushi]

I have to agree with you on the music fiznut, HL2 looks like it could have some of the greatest music in video game history, since it doesn't overpower the in game sounds or take you out of the HL2 world. It blends right in and adds lots to the gameplay, all while still sounding cool. If you want to see what I mean, go watch the barricade video.

Oh ya, and don't worry about this thread having no real point, very few do here right now, since everything there is to discuss has been done about 10 times over.

 

[Mother]

Is it just me, or do all the models in the Doom3 screenies look like they're made from plastic?

Unfortunately I missed out on the HL music, couldn't be bothered to swap CD's to play the game

Which reminds me, I still need to finish HL, OP4 & BS. Damnit, why am I so scared of the barnacles/big fish/gonomes?

 

[Yatta]

Mother... nice name.

Well DooM III is so realistic that it looks so real that it can imitate pastic. PWNED.

 

[jat]

Whoever said breaking the door thing was scripted does not have any clue what goes into a game every piece of animation is scripted in games, the only differences is some cannot be stopped half way through. Valve just need to do a few tweaks and they are sorted.. someone doesnt understand the meaning of beta.. and i like ya thread bring some fresh topics here, its needed!:cheers: :bounce:

 

[Tropico]

so thats why they call it a.i.

 

[gantrithor_5]

The AI is actually a big part of this balanced HL2, so don't misjudge its effectiveness.

Consider: Close your eyes and imagine that you are in a weak, wooden shack without a door (you flew in from a hole on the roof). If the AI was poor, you would be safe and sound. But, if the AI was frickin' awesome, the guards chasing you might:
-Go on each other's shoulders to climb on the roof, drop in, and nail your ass.
-Attempt to knock the shack down by either pushing or strategically shooting the wood with their 8 clip Desert Eagle.
-Toss grenades through the hole, either killing you, or effectively destroying the shack.

That good enough, jat?

 

[Chode]

Originally posted by fiznut
Next, you might find Alyx to be somewhat of a hottie . Even if she's not, she's most certainly changable to a more suitable woman Not trying to be sexist, or offend any females on these boards... But hey, Alyx has some bigguns.. Valve has always supported mods, and made their products extremely modifiable, so more than likely, we can make some kind of mod to exploit her... sexual features. Hooray for eye candy.

Sorry dude, but are you only 13 or something???

The characters have eye candy, but they are there to subtly grab your attention. Not so that you can drool (or worse) over her "bigguns"

The big development on the character front is facial animation, that is what Valve want you staring at. for the first time in game (decently) the characters can appear to have emotion without relying on shocking voice overs.

These characters are designed to resemble REAL people, and now you are talking about changing her proportions to make her look less real.

You are just sad.'

BTW, if in the game her walk-cycle is slu++y then I am outta there. Games rely on sex appeal when gameplay is lacking.

(my first, and hopefully last, flaming :flame

 

[manny_c44]

Here walk animation is regular. Thankfully, VALVe really played down the sex appeal aspect, so she isn't like some 12-year old eye candy.

 

[MultiVaC]

The walk-cycle is normal. You can see it in the video showing how they animated her and stuff.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

Originally posted by |CC|Hudson
1. people say that the door will get kicked down anyways. let me ask them this. HOW THE HELL ELSE IS HE GOING TO GET IN? Break through the metal grated window? Be realistic.

2. there WILL be pron mods. With technology as sweet as this, there are probably hundreds of people waiting to get their hands on the SDK and start scripting sex scenes lol.

3. I truley believe DoomIII is possible of greater detail then HL2. On Doom3 Characters bodies, if you think things are just textured in, theyre not. Every crevace of their bodies is indivuidually moddeled.

4. Of couse HL2 will have a better story, DoomIIIs just goes along the lines of "hell, deamons, shoot"

You couldn't be more wrong. They use very excellent(Though unrealistic) bump-mapping. Sorry Hudson, but every crevace? Oh please, you can;t tell me you really believe that. id Themselves stated that it was all thanks to bump-mapping. The models have very low polygon counts. Meanwhile, Hl2 uses a more realistic and subtle bump-mapping, and still pushes high-polygon counts. Both games will look great, but Hl2 will has those high polygona counts you're looking for.

-Ghost.

 

[The Dark Elf]

To correct the both of you, sorry but your both half right and half wrong

id modeled very high resolution models for DoomIII. even modeling the small details like veins and such. They then created low resolution versions and then used the high resolution version to create a baked set of maps to place on the low resolution, including normal maps. Giving the low poly models the appearance of high poly models

 

[MultiVaC]

Originally posted by Fenric1138
To correct the both of you, sorry but your both half right and half wrong

id modeled very high resolution models for DoomIII. even modeling the small details like veins and such. They then created low resolution versions and then used the high resolution version to create a baked set of maps to place on the low resolution, including normal maps. Giving the low poly models the appearance of high poly models

Yes, but it is a somewhat weak illusion. Bumpmaps can't be be used as a substitute for polygons, which is what iD is trying to. Bumpmaps are only good for small details, and should be used in moderation on top of high-poly models.

 

[fiznut]

Originally posted by manny_c44
Music is good.

Polygonal porn is bad.

This thread is shit, and I wouldn't be suprised if you were aswell. :cheers:

Hell yes I am a shitty person.. Most likely the shittiest person you'll ever see on a HL2 forum. Oh and yeah, this thread is ALSO shit. God damn, it's a shitty world. :smoking:

 

[manny_c44]

Originally posted by fiznut
Hell yes I am a shitty person.. Most likely the shittiest person you'll ever see on a HL2 forum. Oh and yeah, this thread is ALSO shit. God damn, it's a shitty world. :smoking:

I'm glad you can admit it. Thast the first step to recovery.

 

[Chode]

CHODE: "Hi, my name is Chode, and I'm a shitty person"
EVERYONE applauds

 

[manny_c44]

...the next step is finding a toilet and drowning yourself.

 

[Dhoco X]

Clap clap clap clap clap !!!

 

[gantrithor_5]

Do the moderators have a beef with you Chode? You have about 10 posts in every thread and you're still a flying headcrab like me.

 

[UDHA]

From what I've heard, that 'sripted door' was only scripted because they needed it to do that for the demo, the couldn't have it go and do something else, each time it might have done something different, also, Alyx = hot

 

[DaveKap]

If the boobs bounced DOA style, then Alyx would be much hotter than she is.

I can't wait to see the "bouncy boobies" mod that will be the regular HL2 story only all women will have bouncy boobies when they make movements.

Look, someone had to say it, so it might as well have been me.

In reality, polygonal hotness is not hotness at all (for me anyways) so don't think these things I just said were things that I actually believed, just things that someone had to eventually say.

 

[Sparta]

after watching the E3 movie of Doom 3, it totally does looks like the models are made of plastic. While the graphics may be excellent in Doom 3, with all the dynamic lighting and whatever, I still think HL2 will provide a better engine all round.

But, hey, i know shit-all about Doom 3. So correct me if im wrong

 

[jat]

HEHE, i was impressed with the hl AI and the deus ex AI most out of games, then its soldier of fortune 2. Hl2 AI looks very impressive, with the whole problem solving..
Anyway the whole door script thing, i bet the guy didnt know what he means or understand by scripting and the whole idea of beta...wondering why everyones flipping at valve for and saying they lied to us...blarh blarh blarh...

And it is true, doom3 models were extremely high then they normal mapped it, its nearly or is the same thing what hl2 does to high poly walls if u have seen the vid where they do it in softimage XSI.

Dont forget hl2 and Doom3 are going for two totally different looks, doom3 is going for the clean steal dark theme (so characters do look like something from a dark toy story) while hl2 is going for more lifelife with better gameplay theme i believe.
Until these two games arrive to my door, I cant really say...

 

[Chazz]

Originally posted by Fenric1138
To correct the both of you, sorry but your both half right and half wrong

id modeled very high resolution models for DoomIII. even modeling the small details like veins and such. They then created low resolution versions and then used the high resolution version to create a baked set of maps to place on the low resolution, including normal maps. Giving the low poly models the appearance of high poly models

.... Damn you.... You beat me to it...

 

[Bluefusion]

About the AI scripting in Half-life 2..

The game isn't out yet therefore Valve CANNOT LIE ABOUT THEIR SCRIPTING!

Your only proof about AI scripting as horrid as it is is from the BETA, which is obviously either PRE E3 or simply incomplete

Your only proof about that scripting comes from playing the E3 level itself in the Beta. And guess what! It wouldn't surprise me that Valve would script that damn scene because it would look great to us in the Video. But it was for just that: a damn video to make us happy. Do you think Valve, in all its intelligence and wisdom, would create such shitty scripting for the real game? Hell NO! All of it was eye candy and that scene won't be in the game anyways.

Why do I feel that way? Within the Beta itself you revisit that same level with the doors, but sorry, no Combine. You fight Aliens. Which leads me to believe Valve took a level out of context, spruced it up for an E3 video, and let us drool over us. Which even helps explain why they would have scripting even more.

Quit being retards. Play any map in the BETA other than the E3 ones and you won't find a single bit of visible scripting. (not saying there isn't any)

 

[ph34r t3h cute]

Sigh..

1st Mona "loses" her clothes on max payne 2, then people want a sex mod for alyx on HL2

I pitty them.

Chode, I agree with you that its very very wrong, allthough saying there sad is wrong, there just kids (and yes I agree and bet your ass he is 13.. and no im not saying "no offence too all the 13 year olds" as you lot should not be able to play hl2, cus of the age rateing it WILL have)

 

[MultiVaC]

Originally posted by ph34r t3h cute
as you lot should not be able to play hl2, cus of the age rateing it WILL have)

No offense, but that's kind of selfish, imagine if you were 13 and anticipating the game as much as anyone here is. It's dumb to imopse those kinds of rules on any mentally stable person above 10 years old. It's just some pixelated violence. I mean, you shouldn't let a bipolar 5 year old play DoomIII, but any healthy 13 year old can handle HL2. Who knows, it might even have a content lock like the first one had.

 

[kanzler]

Originally posted by ph34r t3h cute
Sigh..

1st Mona "loses" her clothes on max payne 2, then people want a sex mod for alyx on HL2

I pitty them.

What's wrong with sex in a game? Games already have violence, so why not put the sex in? Or is blowing someones head off less obscene than having a female character with bouncing boobs?

 

[Flyingdebris]

i think this thread has gone down the crapper

This thread can be summarized into

Doom 3 sux hah ha it looks liek plastic!!!111

I want jiggly boobies!!

I don't wan't jiggly boobies!!

The door is not scripted! fewls!

 

[c0de]

you guys do realize there is no such thing as true AI right?

 

[Stigmata]

Well actually that could depend on what you would call "intelligence." Intelligence can easily just be the ability to make decisions based on perception and information, which in a way is exactly what the AI in HL2 does. Much like the intelligence level of an ant, I suppose. An ant makes decisions based on perception and information.

It may be nowhere near a human's level of intelligence, but IMO it's still intelligence nonetheless.

 

[Kadayi]

Originally posted by manny_c44
...the next step is finding a toilet and drowning yourself.

Nice guy......lets hope his ban come sooner rather than later.