South Korea gives in to Taliban demands; pulls troops out of Afghanistan

[CptStern]

for some reason I just got a mental picture of men in armchairs wheeling their way through battlefields throwing lit remote controls and singing stirring renditions of bland patriotic songs written by armchair musicians

/me inhales more glue

 

[Nemesis6]

Well, regardless of how you choose to look at their actions, I'm pretty sure we can agree that generally when you do something like this, it'll most likely be a downwards slope from that point on unless you make a stand. I'm still sure the Taliban will view this as a victory, so even if more people won't die as a result of this, it shows the enemy that we are weak, and then we're back to square one, just facing a more determined enemy at the very least.

 

[No Limit]

Well, regardless of how you choose to look at their actions, I'm pretty sure we can agree that generally when you do something like this, it'll most likely be a downwards slope from that point on unless you make a stand. I'm still sure the Taliban will view this as a victory, so even if more people won't die as a result of this, it shows the enemy that we are weak, and then we're back to square one, just facing a more determined enemy at the very least.

So are you going to volunteer to take one of the hostages place? You want us to make a stand, right?

 

[<RJMC>]

RJMC: That's just stupid. Afghans aren't even "arabians", they are a mixture of Persian ethnicities and a minority Turkish(Uzbek), etc. Your assumption that I just want to kill Muslims is just retarded and proves you have nothing to say.

hmmm.....lets give a loot at your latest trheads in this section(well the ones that appear in my screen)

1-about the UN to open border in israel
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=129399

2-a show of a killer bee in gaza that teach childrens to kill jews in the name of islam

For about a month or two now, a children's show, The Pioneers of Tomorrow has been running propaganda on Palestinian TV in which a Mickey Mouse lookalike -- Named "Farfour" -- preached Islamic supremacy and and annihilation of the Jews.

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=127414

3-un-islamic things banned

Belgium is, of course, the place where the mayor of Brussels banned a protest commemorating the victims of 9/11 because it was "racist", etc, and that it would "offend Muslims". Of course, one protest that WAS permitted, was a truther nutjob rally spitting in the faces of the dead. Nah, that doesn't anger the Muslims, and it's not "racist" so it's ok I guess.
This is my way of stopping this: Every time something like this happens, the instigators are jailed. Jailed or deported.

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=129490

4-more evil islamics making evil things

/cue idiots who start shouting that we don't know if they are Muslims.

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=129491

5-palestinian attack twarted

Perfect example of the effectiveness of the security barrier and the diligence of the Israel Defence Forces. I guess they'll be explaining to Allah soon enough why their corporeal form is full of holes and lead.

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=129502

6-islamics love rapes
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=129460

7-and last this one,south korea is dumb cuz they care about theyr people and will stop killing more islamics
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=129670

so thats like 6 of 7 threads showing something negative about muslins whit coments made by you that sounds like someone trying to convince others
especially this one where you are treating south korea like a servant that did something wrong

What the ****, Numbers! This is a horrible move on your country's part. I don't know why my immediate action is to wonder why Numbers didn't put a stop to this, but anyway, it sets a horrible example and more people will be kidnapped as a result of South Koreas utterly irresponsible behavior.

and one dont need to be a phicologic in writing or something like that to see you allways post negatives things whit "islam" "muslin" or a islamic country in it
and I say arabians cuz since sure the first thing in your mind when you heard "islam" or muslin is a arabian person then sure it will means the same things to you

cuz you look like some antiislamic news network

"today some ISLAMICS made a TERRORISTS attack and killed a bunch of people......"

so dont say you arent agaisnt muslins cuz OH MY GOD HERE COMES A MUSLIN...http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/Aladdin_sega.jpg

cuz we arent that dumb

 

[Jintor]

Well, regardless of how you choose to look at their actions, I'm pretty sure we can agree that generally when you do something like this, it'll most likely be a downwards slope from that point on unless you make a stand. I'm still sure the Taliban will view this as a victory, so even if more people won't die as a result of this, it shows the enemy that we are weak, and then we're back to square one, just facing a more determined enemy at the very least.

And if we don't pull out our non-combatants, then even more people will die because of this. Oh, choices, choices...

The Taliban will view it as a victory either way. You know that, right?

 

[15357]

And if we don't pull out our non-combatants, then even more people will die because of this. Oh, choices, choices...

The Taliban will view it as a victory either way. You know that, right?

Actually, probably less people will die as a whole.

 

[Nemesis6]

And here it comes:

The seven remaining South Korean hostages taken captive last July by the Taliban have been released, and insurgents have vowed they will abduct more foreigners.

"We will do the same thing with the other allies in Afghanistan, because we found this way to be successful," Taliban spokesman Qari Yousef Ahmadi told The Associated Press by phone on Thursday.

Twenty-three 23 South Koreans, all volunteers from a church group, were kidnapped by Taliban militants on July 19. Two of the male captives were later executed by gunfire.

The group had come to Afghanistan to volunteer at hospitals, and were travelling from Kabul to Kandahar City when the Taliban seized them by gunpoint.

When the last hostages were freed Thursday, men accompanying them handed a note to journalists, claiming the South Koreans had come to convert Muslims.

"They came to our nation to change our faith," the unsigned note read. "The Afghan people have given their lives for their faith. This is the reason we arrested them."

Relatives of the hostages and the South Korean government have maintained the group was only in Afghanistan to help suffering Afghans, not to do missionary work.

The insurgents freed the final hostages Thursday in two groups.

First, two men and two women were released to representatives of the International Red Cross on a road in the Janda area in central Afghanistan.

Hours later, the three remaining hostages -- two women and a man -- were released.

On Wednesday, the Taliban released 12 of the hostages into the care of the Red Cross at three separate locations in central Afghanistan, near the city of Ghazni.

The South Korean government said Tuesday that they reached a deal by agreeing to pull all of their troops out of Afghanistan by the end of 2007, as already planned.

The South Koreans also had to agree to stop all missionary work in the country.

Two female South Korean hostages were freed on Aug. 13, before the deal was reached.

Taliban leaders had demanded that prisoners be released in exchange for the Koreans' lives, but the Afghan government said it was not prepared to let go of any prisoners.

Some analysts said negotiating with the Taliban gave the insurgents political legitimacy.

"Taliban now have diplomacy, they have got spokesmen, they value cameras, they have a political dimension for their movement, and their aim is to be recognized as legitimate," Mustafa Alani, director of security and terrorism studies at the Dubai-based Gulf Research Center, told AP.

The South Korean government has said it's common practice to negotiate with hostage-takers.

 

[Llama]

Because obviously, the Taliban wouldn't think about doing the same in other countries and other situations even if the Koreans hadn't negotiated.

 

[No Limit]

And here it comes:

Wow. How did they discover this tactic. If only the south koreans had let those innocent people die, that would teach the taliban.

How do you fall for this propogenda bullshit? Are you that stupid? Do you honestly think this changes anything? Are people not being kidnapped and killed on a daily basis because of our involvement in the middle east?

 

[Nemesis6]

It's not propaganda, and it does change things: We will have more kidnappings as a result, the Taliban themselves stated this. You don't negotiate with terrorists as it gives them legitimacy and allows their tactics to work. Obviously the Korean government did this to save these guys, but I really hope their motivation for doing so was only that they were pulling out anyway.

Numbers, I'm curious, if you were to elaborate a bit on your opinion on this, well...?

 

[No Limit]

It's not propaganda, and it does change things: We will have more kidnappings as a result, the Taliban themselves stated this. You don't negotiate with terrorists as it gives them legitimacy and allows their tactics to work. Obviously the Korean government did this to save these guys, but I really hope their motivation for doing so was only that they were pulling out anyway.

Numbers, I'm curious, if you were to elaborate a bit on your opinion on this, well...?

You are missing my point. I meant that you fall for this bullshit taliban propogenda. Like I asked you, do you believe this changes anything? If you do you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed and you become the target of this bullshit coming from the taliban. Even if South Korea didn't give in they would have killed the hostages and called it a victory. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't, so might as well make the decision that will save 19 innocent people because the outcome will be the same anyway.

The bottom line is terrorism works wether you give in to it or not. People were getting kidnapped and killed long before this, not giving in to some of the ridiculous demands they made didn't change anything. That's what happens when you fight an ideology, you are bound to lose if you look at it from a military stand point.

 

[kirovman]

We will have more kidnappings as a result, the Taliban themselves stated this.

The Taliban kidnap on every available opportunity anyway, so as long as more people weren't putting themselves in danger, why would there be more kidnappings?

And if they put more effort into kidnapping, well that's less effort into fighting coalition forces, opium dealings, bombing markets, etc?

 

[CptStern]

there are kidnappings every single day in iraq and now afghanistan ..most of it isnt even political but rather petty criminals looking to extort a ransom ..this has been the norm since march 2003. Nemesis you see everything as absolutes ..there is no room for subtlety in your books ..it's always an "either" "or" sitation with absolutely no room for middle ground ...I chock it up to either your young age or ignorance

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

It's not propaganda, and it does change things: We will have more kidnappings as a result, the Taliban themselves stated this. You don't negotiate with terrorists as it gives them legitimacy and allows their tactics to work. Obviously the Korean government did this to save these guys, but I really hope their motivation for doing so was only that they were pulling out anyway.

Numbers, I'm curious, if you were to elaborate a bit on your opinion on this, well...?

What No Limit said. And also why do you keep mentioning numbers? You don't ask stern questions everytime Canada comes up.

 

[CptStern]

that's the beauty of being canadian ..canada never comes up :E

 

[15357]

It's not propaganda, and it does change things: We will have more kidnappings as a result, the Taliban themselves stated this. You don't negotiate with terrorists as it gives them legitimacy and allows their tactics to work. Obviously the Korean government did this to save these guys, but I really hope their motivation for doing so was only that they were pulling out anyway.

Numbers, I'm curious, if you were to elaborate a bit on your opinion on this, well...?

Well, I think my goverment did a extremely stupid act, and mny peole here agree with me, but at least those people came home safely. Human lives matter more than what our non-combt guys are doing in fghanistan.

However, I'd bomb the **** out of the taliban for killing 2 peole. However stupid, thoe 2 were our citizens, and sons (unfortunately) of the fatherland.

 

[No Limit]

Well, I think my goverment did a extremely stupid act

Taking into account what has already been said here why do you believe it was a stupid act?

 

[15357]

'Cause you know, other groups prolly will try and kidnap more Koreans, because, knowing my goverment, the taliban got a handsome sum of money.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Yes, because sending more troops against an enemy that is (due to it's tactics) virtually impossible to fight, thereby pissing it off even more, is going to help.

It's not impossible to fight Islamo-Fascism. Sending more troops would infact help -- however, to, "Beat the bug" we must, "understand the bug".

 

[kirovman]

You could see the tension between Bush and the South Korean president today.

Interestingly, Bush got on really well with his Chinese counterpart. Numbers will be gutted to hear.

 

[Nemesis6]

...We can ill afford another Klendathu

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Sky Marshall Dean resigns. Sky Marshall Tehautmauro, outlines her new strategy:

...

Mauro? ...

Mauro: zzzzz