Splinter Cell 4 Screenshots! -Insane-

JNightshade said:
Don't always believe what Wikipedia tells you. I mean, until a bit ago, if you searched "National Stereotypes", it would tell you that an example of a positive stereotype is that the Chinese "worship fetus and furry wang".


I see your point but... (and yes I did write this)

Wikipedia shares the behavior of a living and breathing beast. Looking at it as a an independent entity, we can observe an enormous, self-correcting database of information that grows at incredible rates. If it suffers a wound, it will heal over time and grow even stronger as any other creature would in similar circumstances. Skeptics however, like to point out that while Wikipedia’s growing knowledgebase can be useful for casual browsing, the system’s vulnerability makes it unreliable for serious research. The internet has opened a path to community-based projects such as Wikipedia. I cannot argue that proffesors should regard Wikipedia as a valid source for student research because it retains engraved definitions that change no more than a regular encyclopedia's, I would be lying. The debate takes place on a much higher philosophical level. Wikipedia should be an acceptable source for serious research because it can be changed by anyone, the reason for which people considerate invalid for serious research; it represents a new age of information in which flexibility and availability is put before reliability.

Wikipedia has a much more complete knowledge base than traditional encyclopedias. Wikipedia has a total of 831,000 articles in English, that's more than 8.3 times the amount of articles in the reputable Encyclopedia Britannica; In addition, this number grows so fast I had to update it during the writing of this draft. Wikipedia covers subjects such as technology, current events and modern culture that traditional encyclopedias could not afford to because of the price of writers, so it grows everyday with mounds of useful information. While he Encyclopedia Britannica needs to hawk and hire writers and academic authorities in order to create new articles, specialists don’t need contracts or paychecks to share their knowledge on Wikipedia.

This massive amount of articles may seem rather superficial. After all, why would someone need those extra 700,000 terms explained? Wikipedia makes such an extensive use of cross referencing that every article connects to another, efficiently making every article useful in some way or another. For example, starting from the days’ featured page, I went from an in-depth article on the properties and history of the T-90 Canon camera, to a detailed history of ergonomics, and a few clicks later to a 1000-word description of “Gairaigo,” a japanese term for a “borrowed word.” Traditional encyclopedias do not possess this feature to such an extent, yet it’s a greatly underrated and very important one. For one, it encourages students to specialize in their subjects not by just knowing the information concerning their assignment, but by understanding the circumstances within an entire bubble of knowledge which contains their subject. A student studying the Articles of Confederation, in addition to having an extensive definition of the Articles – which includes a summary of the articles, revisions, lessons, signatures and many other sections – has ready access to the pages for “American Revolutionary War,” “confederation,” “Continental Congress,” “United States Constitution,” within the first paragraph alone. Compared to Microsoft’s Encarta’s article, which has a lame third of the Wikipedia article’s word count not including the copied and pasted Articles of Confederation (it does not even include a summary of the articles), Wikipedia has about 10 times the amount of cross referencing, including the name of every single man who signed the Articles. Now if Encarta used Wikipedia’s open-source format, I could have fixed that, but I can’t. Yet Encarta isn’t even free, so what are we paying for, the feeling of security that the knowledge is clean and intact from internet vandals?

Here lies ones the biggest criticism against Wikipedia. On a NPR segment about Wikipedia, a College Professor called in to voice his concerns that students liberally cited Wikipedia without having a way of confirming who the author was and what how credible his information ought to be. Of course, Wikipedia would be better off without nocuous vandalism such as “BUSH SUX” plastered over an otherwise well-written article , but it’s because anyone with an opinion can easily change the text from a page that Wikipedia offers such extensive and complete definitions. Each page has an accompanying “talk” page in which users discuss changes and additions to a certain page, meaning every article has an entire intellectual discussion behind it concerning the content. Take a controversial topic such as Intelligent design, the talk page dwarves the extensive content of the article itself. Pages and pages of discussion contemplate what intelligent design really means, how to portray it equally from both sides, and how to make the article as subjective as possible. A typical Encyclopedia has one writer and two editors for each article, they certainly don’t bother conducting a discussion with dozens of people before publishing every single article. Traditional encyclopedias work against the foundation of critical thinking. Professors like the caller on NPR readily accept a source because it has a name on it, yet Wikipedia provides information that is constantly questioned, discussed and.

Aside from the point-of-view vandalism on Wikipedia, many are afraid to encounter fallacious information that students could not immediately spot. For example, if I wrote “In 23 BCE, 10,000 Roman troops marched towards southern Egypt,” not everyone can readily discern this sentence as purely fictional. However Wikipedia records every change it undergoes, logging the user’s IP, and the time, date and description of the change. The changes are then reviewed by the core community of Wikipedia, hundreds of volunteers who check on the changes daily. Take as an example of such criticism the website wikiwatch which is dedicated to point out factual errors in Wikipedia. For one, it strikes me as strange why anyone would rather host a website and pay for a monthly fee to point out errors in Wikipedia rather than simply fixing them. But more importantly, the wesbite bears a disclaimer at the top: “By the time you read my comments, Wikipedia’s article will probably have changed.” Even opponents who feel strongly enough to host anti-Wikipedia websites acknowledge Wikipedia’s fast self-correcting system. Not all encyclopedias, however, has the ability to correct their mistakes like Wikipedia does. One of my favorite pages on Wikipedia is entitled Errors in the Encyclopædia Britannica that have been corrected in Wikipedia, in which a total of 49 errors have been spotted so far, in categories ranging from History to Math.

Wikipedia has earned the nicknamed of “the faith-based encyclopedia.” I agree. However the faith should not lie in whether a certain article is correct or not, but it should lie in the people behind the project. Maybe people out there really do care about what information we get off the internet, maybe not many people fell the need betray others by putting up fake information online. Accepting Wikipedia as a source that teachers encourage their students to use and cite is a first step to admiting that knowledge is a communal entity and no longer a secret shared amongst the privileged as it was 200 years ago. No one can call his knowledge ultimate and impose it as fact, and Wikipedia concedes to that. In an age in which we are bombarded by information every day because technology makes it so readily available, we must all exercise caution in what we should be considered true and what should not. By constantly changing and revising itself, Wikipedia acknowledges that information can never be absolute.
 
I don't buy it.

Unless they can show an in-game demonstration with player manipulation, I'm betting they're fake.
 
Lol @ "So real you can see the brushstrokes"

It'll be like playing a photoshop image! :D
 
The entire article has been scanned and leaked and it has a lot more pictures and yes this is ingame. I will not post them here and I won't tell you that they are on GameFaqs in the Splinter Cell 4 section for Xbox 360 so don't ask.
 
do the people who think this is ingame, also think the below are ingame ?

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whats-up-next-for-the-xbox-360-20051205053621832.jpg

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i don't get why we are suddenly believing those pictures from the magazine are ingame, even if it says they are. we've all seen 'ingame' shots before of games that have been dramatically touched up so why are people so excited over these apparent ingame shots ?
 
Heh. I don't give a damn what they say. That bottom shot is not in game.
 
Go here and view them yourself:


http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=926934&topic=25085768


along with the article. I'm just saying what the article said. Motorstorm for the PS3 was recently confirmed realtime by the developers in a video interview. Are you going to say they are lyeing to? Also the above pics of the games are ingame. Gears Of War was demoed several times at different Microsoft events. They really look that good and the Burnout 360 ones are not that impressive and I am positive those are real. As for the Ghost Recon 3 ones I am not sure about.
 
destrukt said:
i don't get why we are suddenly believing those pictures from the magazine are ingame, even if it says they are. we've all seen 'ingame' shots before of games that have been dramatically touched up so why are people so excited over these apparent ingame shots ?

Haha. I remember when everybody was all like...

"OH MAN THE NEW XBOX 360 GHOST RECON LOOKS SO ****ING SEXY!"

and then ubisoft had to draw back the graphics, BIGTIME.

"Aw man, the new XBOX 360 Ghost Recon looks so ****ing ugly!"

Yes, we are saying they are lying.

Dev's can say anything they want, but when it comes down to it, the game could look fugly.

Then they'll just pull some "oh yeah well, for gameplay reasons" shit out of their ass.

They did it for ghost recon, they'll do it again. I think it's fairly obvious that the XBOX 360's hardware is already aging.
 
And, for the record, all of the other screens in that link don't look half as good as that bottom one.
 
All you have to do is compare the rest of the prison shots to the one that really is concept art, you can clearly see the difference.
 
I refuse to belive that any of the screenshots posted in this thread are from a computer game regardless of what the internet and/or gaming magazines say.
 
sinkoman said:
I think it's fairly obvious that the XBOX 360's hardware is already aging.
hahah you're an idiot dude. It's like 10 times more powerful than my PC and 5 times more poweful than an Xbox 1.

When playing the latest game would you rather have the best graphics possible or good graphics. that should be your deciding factor between 360 and any other game console.

its not just graphics that is impressive about the 360. the xbox live features alone are cutting edge.


its not 100 times more powerful, its just a new standard. Any other console is just not as good.

If you think the 360 hardware is aging then you should go play your Playstation 2. :dork:
 
VirusType2 said:
If you think the 360 hardware is aging then you should go play your Playstation 2. :dork:


Will do.

I bought a 360 last week, the basic package... played it up until Friday, I only had CoD2 & King Kong... Got fairly bored, didn't bother using Xbox Live... But I looked at its interface and it was pretty nifty.

Sold it 2 days ago on ebay.

That system is mediocre until it gets some decent singleplayer games.
 
Septih said:
the only thing i believe is in game on those scans is the model thats cut off at the bottom of the first one...

i am experiencing no sechs whatsoever......

i demand a refund

:hmph:
 
When playing the latest game would you rather have the best graphics possible or good graphics. that should be your deciding factor between 360 and any other game console.
Wow.....I thought it was the games and how fun they are?
I guess graphics do mean everything..
 
Well, go play your super mario bros then and leave us alone. Of course graphics are important. The better the graphics, the easier it is to get interested in the game.

Depending on how you use it, of course. For an already good game, graphics can really push the limits. But for a shitty game, they don't do much. Splinter Cell is a good example of a combination between both. If Chaos Theory had shitty graphics, nobody would play it. But now that it has good graphics, it opens the door to all the other game elements.

You need cutting edge graphics in 3D games to better depict the enviroment and situation. It adds to the suspense in Splinter Cell.
 
New gameplay and story dynamics are going to drive this one IMO. As long as the graphics are as good as the last game, this will be just fine with me.

These concept/game images look weak though.
 
It sure won't be the gameplay that sets this one apart.

Every game up until now has been identical, and not in a good way.
I gave up on chaos theory when all it ended up being was a tiny graphical update.
It's like the Madden of stealth-based games.

So even if those screens are real, I don't expect it to be much more fun.
 
Mechagodzilla said:
It sure won't be the gameplay that sets this one apart.

Every game up until now has been identical, and not in a good way.
I gave up on chaos theory when all it ended up being was a tiny graphical update.
It's like the Madden of stealth-based games.

So even if those screens are real, I don't expect it to be much more fun.

If it`s like Chaos Theory I`ll be happy, in my opinion, that was a big step up from the previous two games, in both new graphics, and new gameplay, sure, it`s all down to stealth at the end of the day, but surely everyone knows by now the SC games are stealth games, so why be dissapointed when the fundamentals are still the same?
 
yeah cool looking pics,

a video I must see..:smoking:
 
Mechagodzilla said:
It sure won't be the gameplay that sets this one apart.

Every game up until now has been identical, and not in a good way.
I gave up on chaos theory when all it ended up being was a tiny graphical update.
It's like the Madden of stealth-based games.

So even if those screens are real, I don't expect it to be much more fun.
you never played co-op or multiplayer, did you? those modes were pretty nice and added a lot to the experience
 
have a look at the page scan on that link from gorgon: http://www.gamersreports.com/media/264/

these ones look believable, but they still have some work done on them (like the horrible scratching and so on) but they don't look that good, just what you would expect by now, but they are nowhere near the same as those first images posted.
 
destrukt said:
have a look at the page scan on that link from gorgon: http://www.gamersreports.com/media/264/

these ones look believable, but they still have some work done on them (like the horrible scratching and so on) but they don't look that good, just what you would expect by now, but they are nowhere near the same as those first images posted.
those images are in-game, but probably for the Xbox, or an early version of how the game is going to look for X360 and PC without all the extra details and effects that are going to be added later
 
.. or you just don't want to believe that the graphics aren't 'insane' ? lol.
 
destrukt said:
.. or you just don't want to believe that the graphics aren't 'insane' ? lol.
those graphics on the scan there are alright, but definitely look current gen, something tells me the final version will look far better, but certainly not like the screens first posted in this thread
 
Go to VE3D.com and check out the official anouncement and new shots, THATS how this game is going to look, get over it, it still looks good.
 
stemot said:
Go to VE3D.com and check out the official anouncement and new shots, THATS how this game is going to look, get over it, it still looks good.
its says [ Current Gen ] on those shots... which means [ PS2 , Xbox ] version
not 360 and PC
 
Yep, it does, and I hope the pc version does look better, but I wouldn`t get my hopes up.
 
Those can be possible ingame shots, if it is on the 360 or PS3, if you think about their immensive processing powers, and look at the specs for it and do the math if you don't believe me. Don't turn down a console just because you don't like the company, the console, or hate the whole line of people just because of a game (Yes, that means you people who hate Halo to the bone.)
 
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