STALKER impressive, but...

[spitcodfry]

I agree with EvikEwok that S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is the more graphically superior game compared to Half-Life 2, but I do believe there is an overriding factor that explains why this is.

To give the members of this forum brief background on just what S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is, in case you're unaware, I believe is essential in explaining why it's superior in terms of visuals.

The game's environment is based on an area in the Ukraine called the Zone, which is roughly a thirty kilometer area that includes the Chernobyl nuclear power station and its outlying cities and settlements.

The game's developer, GSC Game World, are based in the same country as the Zone (as they dub it), so it wasn't much of a trek for them to visit the site in order to take notes. The development team took extensive photos of almost every facet of the Chernobyl area; and its been stated in previews of the game that 50-60% of the world is literally based on what's inside the area.

That includes cities, buildings, the Chernobyl plant, etc. What does this mean? It means GSC Game World didn't make the majority of their game world from scratch. Valve did.

That's quite a feat considering the technology our Bellevue boys are pushing. Don't get me wrong Ewok, I think the folks over at GSC have got plenty of talent as well, but a lot of what they've created is based on pre-existing structures and objects.

Even after seeing the latest S.T.A.L.K.E.R. video and the gamut of new screenshots showing off the X-Ray engine's capabilities, I'm still just as wowed when I re-watch "Barricade" for the xxth time. GSC's tech may be superior, but if you asked Valve to make a Seattle "level," I'm sure you'd see the same, if not more so, pizzaz that's inherent in S.T.A.L.K.E.R..

 

[ph34r t3h cute]

GOOD GOD ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP, STOP POSTING ABOUT THIS STUPID GAME IN THE HL FORUM AS IT LEADS TOO THAT BASTARD GOING ON ABOUT EVERYTHING FOR 200 PAGES THEN ENDS UP CLOSED!

*vents *

 

[theGreenBunny]

I'm drowning in versus threads and trolling. Time for another General-Discussion-visiting-hiatus.

 

[x84D80Yx]

Originally posted by ph34r t3h cute
GOOD GOD ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP, STOP POSTING ABOUT THIS STUPID GAME IN THE HL FORUM AS IT LEADS TOO THAT BASTARD GOING ON ABOUT EVERYTHING FOR 200 PAGES THEN ENDS UP CLOSED!

*vents *

i hate to say it, but i agree with this CAPSLOCK fool

this is only gonna lead to endless threads bashing about 2 games.

ah well, who am i to say what should be said

 

[ph34r t3h cute]

Originally posted by x84D80Yx
i hate to say it, but i agree with this CAPSLOCK fool

this is only gonna lead to endless threads bashing about 2 games.

ah well, who am i to say what should be said

CAPLOCKS FOOL? Errmm.. capslock fool? mee? nah only when I wanna make some kinda point

 

[spitcodfry]

Originally posted by ph34r t3h cute
GOOD GOD ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP, STOP POSTING ABOUT THIS STUPID GAME IN THE HL FORUM AS IT LEADS TOO THAT BASTARD GOING ON ABOUT EVERYTHING FOR 200 PAGES THEN ENDS UP CLOSED!

*vents *

Hello and welcome to a forum! People like to post things called opinions!

Ya know, I'm sure a mod will sympathize with your agonized plight and come to the rescue, closing down this thread. But don't you think it's a little hypocritical to complain about this sort of thing when the same hostility you're infusing is what usually leads to the closing of said threads?

 

[Shuzer]

EvilEwok has had 4 threads regarding/involving him locked tonight. I think a fifth won't help much.

Although, that little bit of background is interesting, all I can see this is bringing more flamebait from Evil.

Oh and, did anyone find it.. weird.. that EvilEwok switched from saying STALKER is the game to play, to Doom3, in the last thread?

 

[x84D80Yx]

Originally posted by ph34r t3h cute
CAPLOCKS FOOL? Errmm.. capslock fool? mee? nah only when I wanna make some kinda point

and i made my point without capslock, i win.

 

[Shuzer]

I'm gonna start a capslock only thread in OT!

 

[ph34r t3h cute]

Originally posted by x84D80Yx
and i made my point without capslock, i win.

aww nuts ;(


Anyhow, spit, I dont think so, I think the last 3 threads are proof enough they go to shit whatever happans

 

[Shuzer]

4 threads*

 

[ph34r t3h cute]

4? K then.. Im bad with numbers that go higher then 2

 

[spitcodfry]

Guys...please go here: http://oblivion-lost.xu2.net/en/index.php?site=news.php and register to view their screenshot gallery. It really is a must see. They have a lot of media that the official site doesn't contain, and it is mighty impressive.

Here is one shot I recently found that caught my attention: http://oblivion-lost.xu2.net/community/screenshots/stalker042303.jpg

I hope there isn't a 'Forbidden' message when you try to access that. If there is, just register (really simple fast process, no e-mail confirm or anything like that) and click the 11th page in the gallery. Last one on the right.

 

[ph34r t3h cute]

I did not take part in the other thread, mainly cus there too full of crap, but if this one stays open I will post tommrow after looking at more of this game, and some videos, me thinks.

 

[CheapAssStrat]

 

[.5c0ut-WHoR3.]

spitcodfry havn't seen you here for a little while, or maybe im blind. :\

 

[nsxownzme]

Just cause it's not *completely* made up from scratch doesnt make it better or worse. It's like saying The Texas Chainsaw Massacre was BAD cause it was based on a true story, fact is, it makes it that much better. Stop being such a fanboy, we'll all buy BOTH games.

 

[.5c0ut-WHoR3.]

I wont but both games.

I will only get HL2 and D3

 

[Shuzer]

Originally posted by CheapAssStrat

LOL, well said! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Edit: You know of my love for threads involving EvilEwok, from my 2137218321 post rant on Wuggawoo

 

[ph34r t3h cute]

Die Horse die horse!

I guess...

I will buy both games if there nice, stalker and hl2 that is, I wont be buying doom 3 though, might borrow it from a friend though..

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Spit, while both games look wonderful and while there are gonna be fanboys for both games.. its still hard to tell which game will be better without playing them.

hate to say this.. but pple can sit and argue all day and nite about which game's screens look better.. but ur not gonna get loyal fans to agree with the other side..

with HL2's status unknown on release date and Stalker clearly not coming out this year, right now threads like these feel like Doom3 vs HL2 threads that go nowhere..

anyway, discuss away i guess..

 

[Shuzer]

I went off a limb trying to show EvilEwok that he was wrong, earlier tonight, and all it got me was insanity, I almost feel like mixing up another one of Dr. Freeman's posts and laughing at it

 

[nsxownzme]

Very true Dr. Freeman, so who gives a flying phuck about even trying to talk about it. I'm sure if there were STALKER forums I'd be seeing most of you all there when its release is near or extremely hyped.

 

[spitcodfry]

Originally posted by nsxownzme
Just cause it's not *completely* made up from scratch doesnt make it better or worse. It's like saying The Texas Chainsaw Massacre was BAD cause it was based on a true story, fact is, it makes it that much better. Stop being such a fanboy, we'll all buy BOTH games.

How is stating opinions based on what I've seen (screenshots and vids), and played (HL2 beta) warrant me as a fanboy? I've already paid for Half-Life 2 in full from my local EB, and also plan on getting S.T.A.L.K.E.R., Deus Ex 2: Invisible War, and Doom III as well. I'm not telling people to buy one over the other, I'm just expressing my views on the subject that EvilEwok brought up earlier.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I'm not basing my opinions on which is better graphically from the beta. Obviously that was from a pre-E3 build and is not indicitive of the finished product. Sorry for any confusion.

 

[nsxownzme]

Originally posted by spitcodfry
How is stating opinions based on what I've seen (screenshots and vids), and played (HL2 beta) warrant me as a fanboy?

Because you're extremely defensive.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Originally posted by nsxownzme
Very true Dr. Freeman, so who gives a flying phuck about even trying to talk about it. I'm sure if there were STALKER forums I'd be seeing most of you all there when its release is near or extremely hyped.

well.. im not saying we shouldn't discuss the games.. but u and i know all too well that eventually someone is going to walk into this thread and make a comment that will offend fans of one of these games.. and yah.. there u have it.. flaming insues the Doom3 vs HL2 threads are a perfect example of it.. threads started out with intelligent posts but then u have idiots like Steelhed come in and post to get a reaction out of the community.. anyway.. i wasn't ever against discussing anything.. its just that vs threads end up in flames..

Originally posted by Shuzer
I went off a limb trying to show EvilEwok that he was wrong, earlier tonight, and all it got me was insanity, I almost feel like mixing up another one of Dr. Freeman's posts and laughing at it

are u stalking me?
hehe

 

[nsxownzme]

Yeah, it's just hard to let everyone here put down every game except for HL2. I know I'll be buying D3, STALKER and of course HL2.
And you're right, they turn into flame threads, just like the other ones, which are now closed.

 

[spitcodfry]

Originally posted by Dr. Freeman
well.. im not saying we shouldn't discuss the games.. but u and i know all too well that eventually someone is going to walk into this thread and make a comment that will offend fans of one of these games.. and yah.. there u have it.. flaming insues the Doom3 vs HL2 threads are a perfect example of it.. threads started out with intelligent posts but then u have idiots like Steelhed come in and post to get a reaction out of the community.. anyway.. i wasn't ever against discussing anything.. its just that vs threads end up in flames..



are u stalking me?
hehe

I am in total agreement with you on that one Dr. Freeman. It's a shame this community can't discuss things in a rationale light without throwing hostility into the mix.

And nsxownzme, give it a rest. If all you can do in this thread is bash the posts of others then go back and sit under your bridge awaiting the next caravan of newbies to troll.

 

[nsxownzme]

Originally posted by spitcodfry

And nsxownzme, give it a rest. If all you can do in this thread is bash the posts of others then go back and sit under your bridge awaiting the next caravan of newbies to troll.

Dude, don't be such a bitch, dont open a thread in a FORUM(An open discussion) if you dont want to hear what people have to say.

 

[spitcodfry]

Originally posted by nsxownzme
Dude, don't be such a bitch, dont open a thread in a FORUM(An open discussion) if you dont want to hear what people have to say.

Thank you for once again bringing home my point. Here is a test; instead of replying to this post with yet another childish rant, can you contribute something practical to this thread, or just hurl another shallow insult at me? I'm serious; I really would like to see you write up a well thought-out opinion in regards to the topic.

Again, I reiterate, it was not my intention to start this thread to open up a flame war, I simply wanted to express my views on Stalker's graphics compared to Half-Life 2's. Is it possible to have a rationale, open-minded discussion on these boards? For the sake of the community nsxownzme, please do place your next response in a non-hostile light. If you think I'm doing this to be sarcastic or just to be an asshole, you're wrong. And if you go ahead and reply with yet another insult, you'll be proving my theory that these boards have no hope in the way of civil respect towards one another's beliefs.

 

[spitcodfry]

That's a lot of guns: http://oblivion-lost.xu2.net/community/screenshots/stalker020303_01.jpg

 

[nsxownzme]

Okay, you're cool spitcodfry.

 

[spitcodfry]

Originally posted by nsxownzme
Okay, you're cool spitcodfry.

Thank you...yet my inner demons confer this was meant in jest. I must deliberate with them in the board room...err Satan's playpen.

 

[CheapAssStrat]

Originally posted by spitcodfry
That's a lot of guns: http://oblivion-lost.xu2.net/community/screenshots/stalker020303_01.jpg

Sweeeeeeeet. But some are identical, or so it would seem.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Originally posted by spitcodfry
That's a lot of guns: http://oblivion-lost.xu2.net/community/screenshots/stalker020303_01.jpg

whoa... whose closet am i looking at?

hehe some weapons do look sort of alike.. but anyway..

yah.. nice closet.. :dork:

 

[Tork]

I saw two screenshots that were really impressive.

this one

http://oblivion-lost.xu2.net/community/screenshots/STALKER_102303_008.jpg

 

[CheapAssStrat]

I just read a ton of info on S.T.A.L.K.E.R and it sounds like this game will own. I suggest everyone else check it out as well.

 

[Tork]

I wish I can show screenshots of HL2 in FULL aa/af 1280x1024 and how much better it looks then stalker but they wont let me. Ive found areas that will take your breath away, especially when the gunship comes in and the electrical lines move from the thrust near the bridge in coast. Stalker looks good because of the skys , take away the sky and it looks like any other game on some screenshots. But I still think stalker is going to be a very nice looking game. ::adds stalker to list of games that i must get:

 

[CrazyHarij]

omg, not another thread like this....

Guys, you gotta understand that two games actually can exist at the same time.. I believe Stalker and HL2 will be good at their own areas.

For instance, I don't think HL2 would be as good as Stalker in delivering a huge outdoor environment with a very intense post-apocalyptic atmosphere, and there's this thing about eastern nuclear disasters, you know what I mean... Although HL2 will also be settled in eastern europe.
I think it's realistic that they used the real chernobyl area as a sheet, it makes you think an extra time about it when you're playing.

Although I'm a HL2 fanboy, and the things that I'm worried about Stalker right now is that in the videos they used weapon sounds from CS (yes, that's right) , and they showed of ragdolls like they were awesome but they didn't look near as good as HL2's or Max Payne 2's Havok 2.

Spitcod, you don't have to show everyone how much better HL2 is compared to Stalker, HL2 WILL be better and more popular than Stalker, but you have to understand the environment where people work there in Ukrain/Russia..

They have to compete with the thousands of thousands of illegal copies sold like normal things there, and the buildings there are grey, ugly , the whole country is almost like a mess.. But these GSC people are very hard working, and I admire that alot. I don't think HL2 would be as good as it is if Valve were located in a similar area like GSC.

I hope this game will be good , just because of the reason that I have so much sympathy for those guys , doing their best to compete with the big guy companies in the U.S and such like Id , Blizzard, Ubi etc etc..

 

[CrazyHarij]

Originally posted by spitcodfry
How is stating opinions based on what I've seen (screenshots and vids), and played (HL2 beta) warrant me as a fanboy? yadda yadda yadda yadda............. yadda yadda ...citive of the finished product. Sorry for any confusion.

1. You visited Valve. You almost represent this community to Valve since they know you a lil'. Although that's just my prejudice.

2.(referring to the fact you've played the beta) You betrayed your friends! You turned to the dark side! Gabe will eat your soul!