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The UED is ****ed

The UED was formed when Earth observed the war in the Koprulu sector involving the two alien races. The Queen of Blades gave them false hope in allowing them to get a head start in their retreat back to Earth before sending the swarm after them, killing and destroying all ships.

Nobody was alive to report to Earth. All surviving UED members are now all looking out for themselves, and Earth never knew what happened.

Have to give it to the UED though, they actually became the most powerful faction at one point when they were able to disrupt Kerrigan's control over the Zerg. Without the Dark Templar's help, Kerrigan would never have been able to overthrow the UED.
 
Finally finished it. Hot damn that last mission was hard. The tactic that worked for me was this one:
  • Three bunkers on each side filled with 4 marines and a marauder, and flame turrets in the gaps between the bunkers.
  • Four siege tanks overlooking each choke point, two pairs on the central platform and the other two pairs on platforms that were hard to reach for the Zerg.
  • One Thor, a couple of Goliaths and some of those flamer buggies just behind the line of bunkers.
  • Two battlecruisers hovering over each ramp to the central platform.
  • Five Banshees to take care of the worms (I took out the Zerg air support).
  • A squad of Vikings to help where needed.
  • Plenty of SCVs near all that equipment.

For the Kerrigan attacks I used the battle cruisers early, usually sacrificing them in process. In most attacks she went after my siege tanks second, so the choke points would survive relatively unscathed. Once I had my army standing, the only thing I had to do after each attack was train up some replacements where needed. I have the upgrade that combines a reactor with a tech center, so I had double production from the git go. That certainly helped, as did the mercenaries.

The ending itself was kinda what I expected with Tychus being a mole after all and Kerrigan surviving anyway. Too bad Tychus died. He is my favorite character of the campaign. I found the rest of the story quite entertaining. Sure, the style is bit bloated and some attempts at humor fall flat, but that goes with the territory I guess. This is after all traditional space opera.

For the Zerg campaign I expect a fight against genetic experimentation. According to the Zeratul visions Kerrigan needed to live in order for the hybrids not to get out of control, so I guess part two will be about her taking the fight to whomever from the Protoss that is behind the crossbreeding (or are they all? do enlighten me because my knowledge of SC lore is very much lacking). Maybe she functions like some sort of Borg queen and still has the power to control the Zerg?
 
Protoss game still has to come along, so I doubt you'll be going after the hybrids full on as Zerg. The Dominion is still in power and is specifically trying to kill Kerrigan, I assume that they, and the non-Zeratul protoss will be after her. The Protoss aren't behind the hybrids. No one knows exactly who is, but currently it seems like the Dominion (According to the secret mission) are the ones doing all the dirty work. During the secret misison from Brood Wars, Duran says he's working for a great power (presumably the Xel'Naga) at the end. Narud, the head of Moebius, is suspected to be Duran, and responsible for the whole artifiact action with Kerrigan and so on.

What I've gathered is that the Xel'Naga are using the hybrids and the zerg to take out the other races and destroy their worlds. They're manipulating Mengsk to do so. The only thing that could stop them is the Zerg, who are apparently infinitely powerful under the free will of Kerrigan. My personal speculation is that, the hybrids are the third step in the Xel'Naga's will to create the ultimate race... as they built the Protoss and the Zerg.
 
I played the game in one shot on hard mode trying to get all the achievements in one go (that is i had to replay some maps several times to get them all but it was worth it). In mission before the final mission I decided to take out the Nydus canals. The achievement for the final mission was to only use the artifact nova once in hard mode. Its impossible with brood lords. Completely impossible unless your some kinda pro player. The closest I was able to get to was 75 percent. I ended up reloading a saved game eliminating the air units.
 
i haven't played the game yet but do we know for sure that the villain is the xel naga? I remember reading somewhere that the voice (or the dark one) could be an ancient being once trapped by the xel naga?
 
Considering all the talk of the Xel'Naga and the lack of information as to who is running all the bad stuff, chances are it's probably not. But in the Zeratul missions he mentions "the creators" and they are the creators... so who knows really. That's part of the fun.
 
StarBob said:
EFF THE UED AND THEIR EFFING RUSSIAN FACES!
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flamingdts said:
The UED is ****ed

The UED was formed when Earth observed the war in the Koprulu sector involving the two alien races. The Queen of Blades gave them false hope in allowing them to get a head start in their retreat back to Earth before sending the swarm after them, killing and destroying all ships.

Nobody was alive to report to Earth. All surviving UED members are now all looking out for themselves, and Earth never knew what happened.

Have to give it to the UED though, they actually became the most powerful faction at one point when they were able to disrupt Kerrigan's control over the Zerg. Without the Dark Templar's help, Kerrigan would never have been able to overthrow the UED.
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Correction, the UEDEF was ****ed. And I somehow doubt that the Earthside UED people didn't observe 0.7% of their entire force getting killed. Earth probably knew what happened, just not the exact details.

And rumors of SC3, if made, will have UED and another race as a playable race. If that's true, then, yes. YES.


Also, without a doubt, humanity will prevail in the end. No matter what the Xel'Naga or other alien bastards throw at them, whether it be the Dominion, the Raiders, the Kel-Morian Combine, or even remenants of the old Confederacy, or the UED itself, I highly doubt that Terrans won't have a role in destroying the hybrids or bringing peace to the galaxy or however the saga is supposed to end.

Anyway, whens the next game coming out?
 
StarBob said:
Considering all the talk of the Xel'Naga and the lack of information as to who is running all the bad stuff, chances are it's probably not. But in the Zeratul missions he mentions "the creators" and they are the creators... so who knows really. That's part of the fun.
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I just kind of doubt the xel naga will end up being the baddies in the end. i'd more so expect the xel naga to swoop in and help the protagonists in beating up the baddies, whether it be in physical form or with help from a relic.
 
15357 said:
SC3, if made,
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Like they won't make SC3. It may be in 2025 or something, but it will be there. Hell with Activision pushing games out behind the scenes it might come out before the final Starcraft 2 iteration.

I figure there's going to be some reason the Xel'Naga disappeared. It will probably be something like internal conflict and there will be a good and bad faction or possible another force. This story has a lot of room for deepening. Blizzard did a crazy ass job making the whole "Orcs vs Humans" into an utterly overwhelming wave of lore. The sad part is, I know most of it. I only read one starcraft book and it was basically just a retelling of the main story but from an outsider's point of view.
 
15357 said:
Correction, the UEDEF was ****ed. And I somehow doubt that the Earthside UED people didn't observe 0.7% of their entire force getting killed. Earth probably knew what happened, just not the exact details.

And rumors of SC3, if made, will have UED and another race as a playable race. If that's true, then, yes. YES.


Also, without a doubt, humanity will prevail in the end. No matter what the Xel'Naga or other alien bastards throw at them, whether it be the Dominion, the Raiders, the Kel-Morian Combine, or even remenants of the old Confederacy, or the UED itself, I highly doubt that Terrans won't have a role in destroying the hybrids or bringing peace to the galaxy or however the saga is supposed to end.

Anyway, whens the next game coming out?
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I assure you, any SC3 rumor you are hearing now is false. A fourth playable race will make balance extremely hard.

Though you are right with the UED part. The force sent to the Koprulu sector was merely a fraction of the UED's total military strength. At this stage, they could easily faceroll any race. Heck, they would've facerolled Kerrigan's Zergs with that small fraction of the UED army if she didn't form an alliance with the Dominion and the Protoss.

This actually makes the UED the ideal cannon fodders. Bring out their fleet in full strength, and have them annihilated by a force of Hybrids as a contemporary example of the Hybrids' strength. This would at least showcase the Hybrids' strength without doing any major damage to the military power of the other 3 factions.
 
StarBob said:
I figure there's going to be some reason the Xel'Naga disappeared. It will probably be something like internal conflict and there will be a good and bad faction or possible another force.
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The Xel'Naga were wiped out by the Overmind.
 
The overmind declared war on the Xel'naga but did not eradicate them. The "greater whole" of their race was destroyed and the rest buggered off to some other part of the galaxy to lick their wounds and cry in their beers together about how massively they ****ed up the whole being gods thing.

There is also the "ancient evil" void creature that the Xel'naga originally fought before creating the Protoss, which was freed from the prison they put it in after defeating it (ancient history in SC terms) and is a consumer of worlds and species etc. It's kicking around somewhere too and being that it is purely malevolent and vastly powerful it's probably the best bet as to what is behind the hybrids and Duran if not the Xel'naga themselves.

Starcraft wiki is your friend :D
 
Oh ok that makes sense.

So Baddy McBadstein wants to control the zerg so he can kill everyone and Kerrigan is the only one that can stop it by controlling them instead. Seems like everyone wants the zerg to kill people for them... I guess that's how it works when you basically have infinite numbers and can evolve at will.
 
15357 said:
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Correction, the UEDEF was ****ed. And I somehow doubt that the Earthside UED people didn't observe 0.7% of their entire force getting killed. Earth probably knew what happened, just not the exact details.

And rumors of SC3, if made, will have UED and another race as a playable race. If that's true, then, yes. YES.


Also, without a doubt, humanity will prevail in the end. No matter what the Xel'Naga or other alien bastards throw at them, whether it be the Dominion, the Raiders, the Kel-Morian Combine, or even remenants of the old Confederacy, or the UED itself, I highly doubt that Terrans won't have a role in destroying the hybrids or bringing peace to the galaxy or however the saga is supposed to end.

Anyway, whens the next game coming out?
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the UED was supposed to be the new race in brood war but the idea was scrapped
 
<RJMC> said:
the UED was supposed to be the new race in brood war but the idea was scrapped
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This is the first time I've ever seen RJMC put together a complete sentence with no crazyness.
 
Looks like I need to re-read my SC manuals.. :) I love the amount of back-story that StarCraft has.
 
I saw you bought the novel. Kinda interested in it myself, but according to the Kotaku review of it there is a Tychus sex scene. D:
 
Shakermaker said:
I saw you bought the novel. Kinda interested in it myself, but according to the Kotaku review of it there is a Tychus sex scene. D:
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o_O how exactly does one fornicate in that armor? Does he have a hatch on his crotch specifically for that purpose?
 
Ennui said:
o_O how exactly does one fornicate in that armor? Does he have a hatch on his crotch specifically for that purpose?
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Supposedly the book is about how Raynor and Tychus became friends, so the story is set way before Starcraft 2. Although a sex scene with the suit would make things more interesting.
 
I've just finished it and I thought it was ****ing awesome! :D I am now really curious to see how heart of the swarm will work now :O

I've looked now on some sites and alot of people didn't seem to like the SP for this game but idk i loved it so i dont give a damn.

I hardly ever play rts and needed to play this on casual :p but i'll maybe try it again on normal soon. It may even convert me to rts :p
 
Glad you liked it. The missions are indeed very fun and varied.
 
Finished the game.... the story was kinda flat, however the gameplay and missions were fun. Going to go back and attempt the achievements I missed.
 
phantomdesign said:
Finished the game.... the story was kinda flat, however the gameplay and missions were fun. Going to go back and attempt the achievements I missed.
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I felt the exact opposite. I really want to like the gameplay but for some reason I just can't :(
 
Just finished it on hard, had to restart several times though. I took out the air support but the nydus worms were such a pain even with banshees that I almost went back and did the mission to take them out instead. I figured that I could mind control the broodlords instead and use them but in the end I stuck with the nydus worms and managed to win by using supply depots to block off the chokes and have thors/siege tanks behind them while using the thors special ability to melt kerrigan.

What decisions did you guys make during the game?:
Hanson/Selendis(Protoss)
Tosh/Nova

I chose Hanson and Tosh, but I later went back and did selendis/nova and I found those cinematics to be cooler with the brutality which I did not expect as opposed to some cliché music/dialogue which made me cringe.

Also Dr. Narud is obviously Duran which people has stated and is working for the Dark Voice and is responsible for the hybrids. Kerrigan even says that she's seen through Narud's charade at one point.

Edit: Slightly Off-Topic: Does anyone know when (in BroodWar) you find out that Artanis is the Executor you play as in the original StarCraft? I totally missed that.
 
I chose Selendis and was rewarded amply for it with the Infested Hanson cutscene.

I also chose Tosh and was greatly rewarded for it by the Tosh mission which I thought was a hell of a lot of fun.
 
I chose Hanson and Nova. i really appreciated Tosh getting killed cos i just did not find him to be a likable character at all. Also chose to take out air support for the final choice aswell

Yeah surprised to see how brutal the infested hanson cutscene was aswell :O
 
I chose Hanson/Nova, I'm definitely going to play it again and choose the other options.

Me replaying the campaign on brutal:

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Needless to say, I am enraged.
 
taviow said:
I chose Hanson/Nova, I'm definitely going to play it again and choose the other options.

Me replaying the campaign on brutal:

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Needless to say, I am enraged.
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You can't just reload a previous save and build something to make up that one second? Though I bet you've already beaten it before you see this reply! Or just lift-off and flyyy away (unless it's disabled on that map :().
 
I did lift off and fly away, lol. The game autosaves at key points, reloaded a previous save and managed to do it (without even needing to lift off!)
 
Tav that is hilarious.

I chose Tosh/Hanson. I liked Tosh and Hanson, I wanted to see Raynor bang them both.

But I'll probably enjoy killing them too :D I can't wait to get back from vacation to replay the entire campaign on Hard. (I was a pussy and beat it on Normal, didn't lose once though)
 
I'm absolutely dreading the last level on hard. I can't even imagine how people beat it on brutal.
 
Ennui said:
I'm absolutely dreading the last level on hard. I can't even imagine how people beat it on brutal.
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It isn't too hard once you successfully take out all the nydus worms (bunch of cloaked banshees). They're the ones who truly kill you (mostly, either them or Kerrigan).

I think I mentioned this before but for Kerrigan marines + firebats are what worked the best for me against her. She kills larger units extremely fast.

Tanks are very important too, but don't let Kerrigan get close to them.
 
Kerrigan definitely rapes the shit out of your tank defenses if you don't get them out of there. I used my bioball to handle kerrigan and any other breach in the defenses, and other than that I was mostly concerned with replacing SCVs on my wall and keeping my supply at 200 (and banshee raids on nydus worms).
 
I thought the last mission was very easy on normal (vs worms).

Defense line:
  • Perdition turrets (flame): blocking the entrances, backed up by SCVs. Science vessels would have been a better option than SVCs, but it worked great.
  • Missile Turrets: scattered evenly through the base (mostly unnecessary)
  • Sensor Tower: 3 towers... north end, east, and west. Not really needed, but a great early warning system + gives my tanks a better shot sooner.
  • Siege Tanks: Along the cliff edges.... 2-3 for each entrance, and 3 scattered around the middle of my base. (eliminates anything that gets past my line & worms in my base).
  • Battlecruisers: 3-4 as backup defense if one of my defense lines becomes weakened. On second-thought, these were kinda slow and banshees would have done a better job.

Offense
  • Banshees: Great for midas worms.
  • Battlecruisers: A few of these & science vessels for repairing.... I got bored and used a mass of these to wreck a path of destruction through their bases.

Going to go through all the missions now on "hard"
 
Taking out air support is a huge mistake. Air support is far easier to deal with if you have upgraded anti-air turrets + scvs to repair them (plus a few wraiths and battlecruisers to guard the crystal), and the tunnels mission to take out the worms is one of the best in the game.
 
Avoidist said:
Taking out air support is a huge mistake. Air support is far easier to deal with if you have upgraded anti-air turrets + scvs to repair them (plus a few wraiths and battlecruisers to guard the crystal), and the tunnels mission to take out the worms is one of the best in the game.
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It really is fun.. I keep saying it's fun. I guess you can take out either as long as you compensate... but that's just an entertaining mission with Raynor and friends.
 
This thread deserves a reboot.

BECAUSE I JUST GOT BRUTAL COMPLETIONIST MUTHA****AS

Kerrigan portrait you so tasty.

Also, I got every other campaign achievement in the game, except those goddamn lost viking ones.
 
Lost Viking is indeed pretty hard.

Congrats though!
 
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