State of the Union

[Tr0n]

Seinfeld...I point you to this thread.

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=70934

Please watch the 58 min vid...you will finally get to see truth.

 

[seinfeldrules]

I do hope that you learn a bit about it and hopefully I can teach you something about it. I know I have a bias but if you get your information from multiple sources instead of talking points you should be fine.

If I wanted to learn different 'points', I'd read the NYT.

Please watch the 58 min vid...you will finally get to see truth.

And if you think a mere 58 min video will provide the 'truth' on anything, then you are sadly mistaken. This is probably another 'documentary' taking pot shots at America with no counterpoints.

 

[clarky003]

actually, its the most unbiased documentary ive ever seen, it labels past realtionships that America has had with Russia , Afghanistan, Iraq... how much of it is actually reality, and how much of it is actually a neo conservative idealistic view of good versus evil, and how its used to effect to try and strength the will of the American people. using Christianity as a uniting factor, to manipulate to try and order society, to essentially create and live an idealistic lie, which in turn keeps those who dish it out in power, and keeps the underbelly of society orderly so they dont cause a fuss about what their leader's are upto.

It labels past relationships that the US had with Afghanistan rebels, when they where fighting communisit Russia (the evil at the time), historic documentation on training camps designed to train Iraqi rebels in terrorist activities, weapons support.. it goes onto to point out that Afghans thought they won the war, and the US thought they had, when communist Russia collapsed, but they didnt cause any collapse communist Russia collapsed from the inside..

its to do with the physcology of the way humans think, especially those influenced by personal motives and belief's, and ego's the size of an elephant. It's not FOX, or CNN reporting, its a british documentary, which isnt pointing the finger, its just laying it out straight.

 

[seinfeldrules]

actually, its the most unbiased documentary ive ever seen, it labels past realtionships that America has had with Russia , Afghanistan, Iraq...

And you're the same person who believes every wild conspiracy who walks your way.

 

[clarky003]

where in the what now.. US past relations with Afghanistan, and helping them fight communist Russia, being on good terms with Iraq and Sadam.. they where conspiracey's..? :/

 

[seinfeldrules]

Why would I want to watch a documentary on US relations with other countries 30 years ago. How is that relevant at all to 2005? Answer: It isnt. Alliances and priorities change.

 

[clarky003]

if you dont mind me saying, bollocks, simply because the Afghan's arnt going to forget the help from the US, unless there's money, energy or power related problems, Bin Laden was even envolved at the time because of his wealthy family.. and the 'priorities' only change because they fit the intrest's of the government , basically oh, let's blame Saddam, yoink temporary control, establish a military presence, secure the oil fields for our future **** what democracey says, lets goto war even though were going to be doing it illegally anyway, we cant get prosecuted we have overiding power.

you cant be serious, it was actually 22 years ago, not much time atall and good terms remained well into the 90's.. but the fight of good versus evil shall continue, because its what gives the right their meaning to life.. weither its all an idealistic fantasy or not doesnt really matter to some I guess.. living a lie can be fun I suppose.. very kinky.

 

[seinfeldrules]

you cant be serious, it was actually 22 years ago, not much time atall and good terms remained well into the 90's.. but the fight of good versus evil shall continue,

We were allies with the Soviets during WWII, basically a mere 7 months after we were exchanging very heated messages to each other.

 

[qckbeam]

Why would I want to watch a documentary on US relations with other countries 30 years ago. How is that relevant at all to 2005? Answer: It isnt. Alliances and priorities change.

Ok, wait, back up a second...you don't believe that what the US did to and with other countries in the past has anything to do with what's going on now in the year 2005...the present day? What? Excuse me? Seinfeld I'm sorry, but that is a very poor perspective you have there. In order to really understand what is going on in our world you have to dig back into the past and link the events in it to the events of the present day. How can you say that things which happened 30 years ago have no meaning or relevance in our current world?

 

[seinfeldrules]

Ok, wait, back up a second...you don't believe that what the US did to and with other countries in the past has anything to do with what's going on now in the year 2005...the present day? What? Excuse me? Seinfeld I'm sorry, but that is a very poor perspective you have there. In order to really understand what is going on in our world you have to dig back into the past and link the events in it to the events of today.

Again, we were allies with the Soviets during WWII, a mere 7 months later we were basically enemies. It isnt that uncommon in international relations. Another example: we were clearly enemies with Britain during the 17,1800s, they are now our closest ally. A century after they burned DC, we were helping them save Paris. Times change, and so do policies.

 

[clarky003]

the only thing is that the soviet allies havnt actually ever supposedly struck a blow on US soil, and somehow Afghan's and Bin Laden who where allies in much more recent times managed to, through the most heavily guarded airspace in America, into buildings which where insured for something like $20million just 2 weeks prior to their collapse, 45 minutes and no response after the first plane, even though they would of been tracked the second any plane went off course ,although then Sadam got the blame, because they couldnt find Bin Laden, plus pre announcements to build a 40 billion dollar oil pipeline from the caspian sea to the coastline in the middleast which has multi billion dollar benifit's for oil supply, practically eliminating the middle man from middle eastern oil supply, and now there thinking about sorting Iran out.. hmm, I think some will agree the plot is incoherent ,answers seem to be continuously missed out, whenever someone try's to uncover whats going on, although you can suggestively join the dots.

and half the US population think everything is fine and dandy.. lol

 

[seinfeldrules]

the only thing is that the soviet allies havnt actually ever supposedly struck a blow on US soil, and somehow Afghan's and Bin Laden who where allies in much more recent times managed to, through the most heavily guarded airspace in America, into buildings which where insured just 2 weeks prior to their collapse , although then Sadam got the blame, because they couldnt find Bin Laden, plus pre announcements to build a 40 billion dollar oil pipeline from the caspian sea to the coastline in the middleast, and now there thinking about sorting Iran out.. hmm, I think some will agree the plot is incoherent ,answers seem to be continuously missed out, whenever someone try's to uncover whats going on, although you can suggestively join the dots.

As mentioned, this is why I weighed your opinion on the documentary with that of a spec of dust. The wild conspiracy theories are ridiculous.

 

[clarky003]

i didnt state a conspiracey theory,, those are facts stated, you must of been thinking of the conspiracey theory, musta just popped into your head.

 

[seinfeldrules]

insured just 2 weeks prior to their collapse

Ding ding ding

although then Sadam got the blame

Ding ding ding

incoherent ,answers seem to be continuously missed out, whenever someone try's to uncover whats going on, although you can suggestively join the dots.

Ding ding ding

 

[clarky003]

you think those are grounds for conspiracey, please,, everyone knows Bush lied, god knows how you dont know about the towers getting insured close to the date of 9/11,

For example

Peter G. Peterson, chairman of the CFR and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York announced that his Blackstone Group had purchased, in October 2000, the mortgage on 7 World Trade Center, the 47-story building built by Larry Silverstein in 1987. Silverstein is the person who obtained 99-year leases on the twin towers shortly before 9-11 and who insured the property and its future income against terrorism. He is seeking some $7.2 billion claiming the attacks were two separate events.

related to this court case

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3673423.stm


and sadam did end up getting the blame, it was a shift away from the intial lie, that 'Bin Laden is responsible'


so unless your being childish with your ding ding's, then i suggest you go read up on some of this, which has been uttered countless numbers of times.

so right winged , theres nothing but patriot's and glory, in the fight of good versus evil, but its nice to see that half the US population atleast have a wider appreciation for the world, its morals, and human integrity.

 

[seinfeldrules]

you think those are grounds for conspiracey, please,, everyone knows Bush lied, god knows how you dont know about the towers getting insured close to the date of 9/11,

and sadam did end up getting the blame, it was a shift away from the intial lie, that 'Bin Laden is responsible'

so unless your being childish with your ding ding's, then i suggest you go read up on some of this, which has been uttered countless numbers of times.

I think its you that needs to do some serious reading.

 

[Bodacious]

I agree with seinfeldrules, you are a conspiracy theorist, hands down.

 

[clarky003]

and that makes mine and others point of view invalid somehow?... you really dont have a clue, denie it all you want.. conspiracey takes place everyday, all the people you dont see, who plan to rob a bank, commit murder, everyday...corruption breed's conspiracey,, so dont go dening the reality of it. Its totally lame how you see government's to be some idealistic representation of the people, it seems they could never lie to you, because in reality it would be too much for you to cope with, it would be like announcing that you believed in liers that gave you your patriotic good versus evil fight, which makes you feel so good about yourselves, and your not exactley going to state that. even if it is true. So id expect nothing less

 

[bliink]

You're all verging off topic..

 

[GhostFox]

and that makes mine and others point of view invalid somehow?...

I think the fact that you are quite possibly insane does somewhat devalue your opinion, yes.

 

[clarky003]

lol, the thing is, im not living in a country where people start wars out of fear, and self richousness.. im entitled to my outside opinion. so there's no need for that kind of response , and it all depends what you consider insane, like for instance i consider policed states and neo cons slightly insane...

but there was no need for that childish remark, short of again shows what the opposed argument is all about with bitter tat like that . so let me just congradulate you on your constructive comment.

 

[bliink]

Now, you see.. when I post a warning that everyone's getting off topic, thats me trying to help all of you and give you another chance to have a discussion on a certain point.
Seeing as I'm being kind and helpful, it'd be nice if everyone returned the favour.

Now, some of you may not know how to fix an "off topic thread" so here's a quick lesson:

1) Stop replying to erronous or unrelated lines of discussion (off topic posts)- leave them mid argument and they die.
2) Pick up at the last strong post that was on topic (if you don't know what this is, check the first post)
3) Make posts that involve ideas and thoughts contained in the original line of discussion (which can be found in the first post, and related posts after that one.)

Don't do the following:
1) Bring up something someone said in a previous thread, eg "OMG you're talking about liberals again!!!1"
2) Talk about something that would take the discussion away from the original idea, eg "This reminds me of Mosul..."
3) Don't make broad generalisations, these only make people get off topic, eg "All you americans are the same.." or "Wack job liberals"
4) Use the opportunity to bring up some grudge you have eg, "AGAIN, the US govt/liberals/terrorists/whatever are doing 'x'"

And above all:
Don't be a jerk and act like a 2 year old having a temper tantrum

Good luck and happy posting :thumbs:

 

[Bodacious]

I think the fact that you are quite possibly insane does somewhat devalue your opinion, yes.

Tinfoil hat brigade!

 

[bliink]

Stop replying to erronous or unrelated lines of discussion (off topic posts)- leave them mid argument and they die.

Tinfoil hat brigade!

Wow.. you're not the sharpest tool in the shed are you? Why would you even contemplate continuing an argument such as that after the blatantly obvious attention the thread is receiving??

Back On topic or warnings will come. :thumbs:

 

[Bodacious]

I apologize, I didn't see the last page to this thread, I thought the post I quoted was the last one, not yours.

That being said, I don't care what you think of me. Insulting my intelligence violates the forum rules, in my opinion, being that it is abusive. I shouldn't be labeled a moron because I didn't see the last page with your comments because as far as I knew I was replying to the last post of the thread.