Sterilization plan fights poverty

I'd buy that for a dollar!
 
Eejit said:
It.
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Permanent.
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Not.
Your.
Body.



If you want people to have the liberty to choose infertility, don't let the procedure be caught up in the financial constraints which are imposed on the poor. Offer the operation for free.
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I don't want anything, they have it.
 
nurizeko said:
Not.
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Body.
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Is.
Our.
Money.


I find it funny that the plan would also include tax breaks for the rich if they had more kids.

Killing off people under the poverty line isnt a solution to poverty.
 
nurizeko said:
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Good job trying to ignore that I proved you wrong about it "not being fundamentally different from tax breaks for not having children".

Logical debate lolol.
 
Eejit said:
Good job trying to ignore that I proved you wrong about it "not being fundamentally different from tax breaks for not having children".

Logical debate lolol.
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You proved nothing. Oh and I didn't need to "try" it was quite easy considering how empty your point was. Those tax breaks are still money you'll have to cover, the incentives are still bought with your tax money, but your whole position is flawed, how tax income is spent by the state is its own business, your only say is at the election booth.


America wastes countless millions of tax income in foreign wars of pointlessness alone, so if you want to play the poor expenditure card, you'll probably have to ignore this thread while you go crusade to have those drawn to a close.



Sulkdodds said:
Yes, and is really dodging the question, presumably in the absence of having anything else worth saying.
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Not a dodge, a fact. They have that liberty. Ignored.



Killing off people under the poverty line isnt a solution to poverty.
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Its a solution, just not one thats preferable, but who's died again?.
 
What?

You said "its no different then when other governments offer tax breaks or incentives for families to have more kids or less kids or no kids"

I reply by saying it is fundamentally different because sterilisation is effectively permanent whereas the tax breaks are not.


Now you just start going TAX OMG TAX MONEY TAX as if this proves that there's no difference.
 
they have choice to do it or not what more do you want
Krynn72 said:
Killing off people under the poverty line isnt a solution to poverty.
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and where are they talking about killing people off
 
Eejit said:
What?

You said "its no different then when other governments offer tax breaks or incentives for families to have more kids or less kids or no kids"

I reply by saying it is fundamentally different because sterilisation is effectively permanent whereas the tax breaks are not.


Now you just start going TAX OMG TAX MONEY TAX as if this proves that there's no difference.
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And whats has the permanence got to do with the freedom of people to do what they want with their own body?.

There is no difference except for in your own personal world view and as I have tried to tell you more then once now, in a western liberal democracy you don't get to tell people how to live.

Does tacking on the word permanent suddenly invalidate hundreds of years of liberalization and personal freedom to choose ones own path and creed?.

You can dislike it, thats your choice and freedom, you can say so, but what you cant do is deny another persons right to do with themselves as they wish, and if they want to get snipped for some money, you might not like that, but its their decision and theres alone. End. Of. Story.


I'll be back when you guys can provide evidence that the western world now falls under Sharia or Fundamental Christian law, thanks.
 
nurizeko said:
And whats has the permanence got to do with the freedom of people to do what they want with their own body?.

There is no difference except for in your own personal world view and as I have tried to tell you more then once now, in a western liberal democracy you don't get to tell people how to live.

Does tacking on the word permanent suddenly invalidate hundreds of years of liberalization and personal freedom to choose ones own path and creed?.

You can dislike it, thats your choice and freedom, you can say so, but what you cant do is deny another persons right to do with themselves as they wish, and if they want to get snipped for some money, you might not like that, but its their decision and theres alone. End. Of. Story.


I'll be back when you guys can provide evidence that the western world now falls under Sharia or Fundamental Christian law, thanks.
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/facepalm

Do you even know what we're discussing here? Way to miss the point.

How is objecting to this plan equivalent to preventing people from exercising freedom of choice?
 
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