Strange thing about Iraq

[Cybernoid]

Where was the resistance when Saddam was in charge? Now that the US is there, we've got resistance movements appearing every five minutes. According to New York Times, all of western Iraq is under rebel command. The members of the new Iraq government there have mostly been assassinated or kidnapped.

But no such resistance was around during Saddam's rule... it's almost as if the Iraqis wholeheartedly supported Saddam. You know, even a badass dictator needs support. He needs an army and maybe some politicians and other people. If the resistance in Iraq can take on the US military, it seems unlikely that Saddam's army was a deterrent againts rebellion.

On top of that, we've got rogue terrorists kidnapping and murdering anyone who has the wrong skin pigment. Some Finnish businessmen were murdered just for being white. Apparently, the Iraq resistance feels that they can get along without trade, commerce or diplomacy. Allah will no doubt provide them with food, shelter and technology. Or whatever.

Why don't we all just leave Iraq alone. If they like living under an insane dictator, so be it. Maybe they'll discover democracy and sanity within the next five hundred years. Or not.

 

[KidRock]

Where was the resistance when Saddam was in charge? Now that the US is there, we've got resistance movements appearing every five minutes. According to New York Times, all of western Iraq is under rebel command. The members of the new Iraq government there have mostly been assassinated or kidnapped.

But no such resistance was around during Saddam's rule... it's almost as if the Iraqis wholeheartedly supported Saddam. You know, even a badass dictator needs support. He needs an army and maybe some politicians and other people. If the resistance in Iraq can take on the US military, it seems unlikely that Saddam's army was a deterrent againts rebellion.

On top of that, we've got rogue terrorists kidnapping and murdering anyone who has the wrong skin pigment. Some Finnish businessmen were murdered just for being white. Apparently, the Iraq resistance feels that they can get along without trade, commerce or diplomacy. Allah will no doubt provide them with food, shelter and technology. Or whatever.

Why don't we all just leave Iraq alone. If they like living under an insane dictator, so be it. Maybe they'll discover democracy and sanity within the next five hundred years. Or not.

All the rebellions are probley from Saddams army who have just gone rouge..

 

[Cybernoid]

Wasn't his army wiped out?

 

[bliink]

Why don't we all just leave Iraq alone. If they like living under an insane dictator, so be it. Maybe they'll discover democracy and sanity within the next five hundred years. Or not.

you cant just back out once you have started something, you cant be weak and run away when stuff doesnt go to plan

 

[Cybernoid]

you cant just back out once you have started something, you cant be weak and run away when stuff doesnt go to plan

Well it seems to me that Iraq wants good old Saddam back. You can wage war there until judgement day, I doubt it'll change anything.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Wasn't his army wiped out?

500,000 of the Elite Republican Guard just dont "dissapear".

Personally, I think we should enable more Ground Forces into Iraq to suppress these insurgents. We need to eliminate whatever clear and present threats exist. If we leave now, I think Iraq will reset itself...back to the old one.

 

[AudioRage]

If the country wanted saddam back, there would be a whole lot more bloodshed.

 

[Cybernoid]

500,000 of the Elite Republican Guard just dont "dissapear".

The rebels (or more like "terrorists," it seems) haven't said anything about wanting Saddam back, to my knowledge. They just keep babbling on and on about islam and allah...

 

[Neutrino]

I'll just say that violent resistance is far easier to coordinate under a democratic rule than a dictatorship.

Not to mention the fact that Iraq is still trying pick up the pieces from the war, making it much more difficult to fight the resistance. Under the old regime things were much more organized. I'm sure there was probably resistance movements under Sadam as well, but they couldn't be nearly so open about it. Another reason might be that people understood things when Sadam was in charge. They knew how things worked and made do with it. It might not have been a great situation, but atleast they new how to support their family and avoid being killed. Now, though, the US comes in and bombs the hell out of their country, ruins a lot of the infrastructure, and unleashes a lot of anarchy in general. Understandably some of them might be just a bit pissed with us for turning their world completely upside down.

So, all in all, I'm not surprised by it.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

If the country wanted saddam back, there would be a whole lot more bloodshed.

Not nessecarily...and im not saying, "every citizen wants saddam back kthxbai", but I do believe a majority in Iraq developed an odd sense of comfort living under him.

To be honest, who was going to take over when Saddam died? His sons? Then "his son's", sons? Personally, I believe a lot of these Shiite/Muslims Fanatics or however you spell it, did'nt exist or rally to the masses they are now until we came and "liberated them".

Saddam I believe suppressed many of them to support his image, and hand-waved articles just to keep them happy or near to his services.

Since he's out of power, I just believe the reactions we are seeing now, inside Iraq, is just a ballrush of forces fighting for power... and Iraq, gasping on its first breathes of being free of Saddam. Not everyone knows what to do with this said "Freedom", except those who were pressing for power ages ago under Saddams reigme.

I'm corellating the fact, an Iraqi Government now, based on the efforts of Western Democracy, will be under constant attack based on either a:

1. 
   *Dedication to the image of a Western Democracy
   (I remember the United Arab States came under a large threat pre-911 before a Northern Alliance Commander was shot on September 9th, 2001. Lots of Terrorist's out of power, or being chased out by their own Governments, hate the US for the support it gives to eliminate its factions. They also hate us for the support given to the Countries trying to eradicate pockets of so-called Terror Cells.)
   
   *Dedication to the support of a United Arab State, bringing countries like Iraq, a better communication with the Western and Eastern worlds. Not always terrorists, but some people largely dont like the fact Iraq is exposing itself for the World to see.
   
   It kinda supports my theory that some people developed and odd feeling of "Saftey" under his Regime.

So those are my thoughts.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

I'll just say that violent resistance is far easier to coordinate under a democratic rule than a dictatorship.

Precisely.

 

[KidRock]

The rebels (or more like "terrorists," it seems) haven't said anything about wanting Saddam back, to my knowledge. They just keep babbling on and on about islam and allah...

I agree it seems like all these rebel terrorist groups do is ramble on about allah and killing the white man

 

[JimmehH]

500,000 of the Elite Republican Guard just dont "dissapear".

And after another month of bombing, they went from 'the Elite Republican Guard' to 'the Republican Guard' to 'the Republicans made this shit up about there being guards out there'.

In all seriousness though you've made some good points although I'm not sure what you meant by 'odd sense of comfort'. Do you mean like comfort with the status quo and not wanting the violence and bloodshed that comes when a government is overthrown?

You'll have to excuse my post if it doesn't make any sense - I've been up all night. Couldn't sleep.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Do you mean like comfort with the status quo and not wanting the violence and bloodshed that comes when a government is overthrown?

No, what I mean is when people, in order to survive a variable of harshness, commit to mutualism with whatever is causing them trouble.

So, an "odd comfort" would be they were "okay" with what was going on, so long as it was'nt them being beaten in the street.

 

[Recoil]

Well it seems to me that Iraq wants good old Saddam back.

Iraq doesn't want Saddam back for sure; maybe those terrorists/rebells want that. Don't mix that up.

You can wage war there until judgement day, I doubt it'll change anything.

Probably true :|

 

[Razor]

500,000 of the Elite Republican Guard just dont "dissapear".

Personally, I think we should enable more Ground Forces into Iraq to suppress these insurgents. We need to eliminate whatever clear and present threats exist. If we leave now, I think Iraq will reset itself...back to the old one.

How do you send in more ground troops when you a minority of people trying to cause huge amounts of problems for everyone by bringing cities to a standstill.

 

[The Monkey]

I agree it seems like all these rebel terrorist groups do is ramble on about allah and killing the white man

Are we so much better? All we are rambling about is god and killing the Arabs...

 

[CptStern]

they should never had invaded in the first place, they shouldnt be there now


kidrock stop posting your ignorant hate rhetoric

 

[seinfeldrules]

kidrock stop posting your ignorant hate rhetoric

I'd talk Mr. Anti USA in Every Post.

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

Where was the resistance when Saddam was in charge? Now that the US is there, we've got resistance movements appearing every five minutes. According to New York Times, all of western Iraq is under rebel command. The members of the new Iraq government there have mostly been assassinated or kidnapped.

But no such resistance was around during Saddam's rule... it's almost as if the Iraqis wholeheartedly supported Saddam. You know, even a badass dictator needs support. He needs an army and maybe some politicians and other people. If the resistance in Iraq can take on the US military, it seems unlikely that Saddam's army was a deterrent againts rebellion.

On top of that, we've got rogue terrorists kidnapping and murdering anyone who has the wrong skin pigment. Some Finnish businessmen were murdered just for being white. Apparently, the Iraq resistance feels that they can get along without trade, commerce or diplomacy. Allah will no doubt provide them with food, shelter and technology. Or whatever.

Why don't we all just leave Iraq alone. If they like living under an insane dictator, so be it. Maybe they'll discover democracy and sanity within the next five hundred years. Or not.

I didn't read all the reposnses... This has probably already been said but you need to look further back...

There was plenty of resistance to Saadam... The mass graves in Iraq attest to that... It was quiet for him in the last few years except for the Kurds in the North whom the US was directly protecting after the first Gulf war...

Sadr annouced today that he intends to turn his armies into a political party... Hopefully he can do that... His armies also opposed Saadam during Saadams rule. The graves contain mostly Shiite and Kurds...

After millions of deaths including gas attacks there was few people who dared stand-up to the Baath party...

 

[CptStern]

I'd talk Mr. Anti USA in Every Post.

that's your perception

for the last time, I'm not anti-usa

 

[lePobz]

these 'resistance' fighters couldn't care less about Saddam, they don't want their country occupied by the coalition - and they're letting the world know it. How would you feel if say France invaded and occupied your country... (not likely I know) - you wouln't be very happy about it.

Hell, even France had a resistance army when they were occupied by ze Germans.

Personally I think these resistance fighters have a right to be pissed off.

Specially when the coalition are trigger happy and don't mind shooting holes in a few sacred islamic buildings, or killing masses of civilians 'by accident'.

America and the Coalition should just get out... the new government would take control, and the 'resistance' would disappear.

But this is a forum, and nobody gives a rats arse what I think, so i'll just shut up.

 

[CptStern]

these 'resistance' fighters couldn't care less about Saddam, they don't want their country occupied by the coalition - and they're letting the world know it.

exactly

But this is a forum, and nobody gives a rats arse what I think, so i'll just shut up.

oh I give a rats arse!

 

[seinfeldrules]

that's your perception

for the last time, I'm not anti-usa

Well all of your posts sure are. Say one nice thing about Bush. I dare ya.

 

[CptStern]

I have nothing to say


disliking foreign policy is not the same as being anti-american

 

[Recoil]

The Bush-government isn't the USA, seinfeldrules.

 

[The Monkey]

Well all of your posts sure are. Say one nice thing about Bush. I dare ya.

Why does he have to like Bush to not be an anti-american? I hate Bush, but I love USA(well, some parts).

 

[CptStern]

so many people here have come to my defense as of late, I'd just like to thank them for pointing out that I am not anti-american:

Kangy, Innervision, Recoil (thx ) Neutrino, and MechGodzilla (I'm sure I missed someone)

edit: The_Monkey too

thanks again guys

 

[seinfeldrules]

The Bush-government isn't the USA, seinfeldrules.

Never said it was, but whenever an international debate pops up Stern immediately takes the opposition's defense. Look into the wifi debate if you must. He instantly jumps on Israel and the US's case instead of realizing how ridiculous the claim was.

My request still stands Stern. Unless you are completely, 100% biased you should be able to find something nice to say about Bush. Finally, Bush is probably the biggest representative of America, as the people voted him in. In that way he speaks for all of America. Just as if John Kerry were to win he would speak for America.

 

[Gorgon]

The rebels (or more like "terrorists," it seems) haven't said anything about wanting Saddam back, to my knowledge. They just keep babbling on and on about islam and allah...

Yep you are 100% right but these rebels are 75% of Iraq population.

Can you kill 20Million Iraqis in order to control the oil ? thats the question

 

[seinfeldrules]

Yep you are 100% right but these rebels are 75% of Iraq population.

Total fabrication, show me any proof of such a claim. The oil line is so old and disproven it shouldnt even be a punchline anymore.

 

[Recoil]

Can you kill 20Million Iraqis in order to control the oil ? thats the question

It shouldn't be at all! It just mustn't come to this!

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

Many people do consider the attacks on a countries leader as Anti-American...

The Dems were glad to play the card when ever anyone had anything bad to say about Billary...

 

[CptStern]

Never said it was, but whenever an international debate pops up Stern immediately takes the opposition's defense. Look into the wifi debate if you must. He instantly jumps on Israel and the US's case instead of realizing how ridiculous the claim was.

I was responding to other people's posts ..I didnt start the israeli debate

My request still stands Stern. Unless you are completely, 100% biased you should be able to find something nice to say about Bush.

then I must be biased because I cant think of a single nice thing to say ...not that it matters because I'm not criticsing Bush the man, just the administration

Finally, Bush is probably the biggest representative of America, as the people voted him in.

40% of americans voted ..and even then they didnt choose Bush

In that way he speaks for all of America. Just as if John Kerry were to win he would speak for America.

well then's he's a poor voice for america ...he's done more harm to america's international reputation than any other president in recent history


but I digress ...this topic is not about me

 

[Gorgon]

It shouldn't be at all! It just mustn't come to this!

I agree, but coalition want this to happen slowly and unnoticeably. Say in 15-20 years 13Million iraqis would be killed under the coalition armies.

 

[seinfeldrules]

well then's he's a poor voice for america ...he's done more harm to america's international reputation than any other president in recent history

You seem to be avoiding the question.

I agree, but coalition want this to happen slowly and unnoticeably. Say in 15-20 years 13Million iraqis would be killed under the coalition armies.

Really this is the most biased, perposterous thing I have read since somebody claimed the US had killed more than Saddam in Iraq. Apparently I was wrong about Stern being Anti-American because now I have seen how truly biased and misinformed people can be.

 

[CptStern]

what question? why does it matter what I personally think about George Bush the man?

 

[seinfeldrules]

what question? why does it matter what I personally think about George Bush the man?

Avoiding the question. Name something he has done as President that you support. That better?

 

[Recoil]

Say in 15-20 years 13Million iraqis would be killed under the coalition armies.

Hmmm... maybe... but I think the coalition will leave before that anyway, say.... 3-4 years :|

I'm sure you agree on this, too

 

[CptStern]

hmmm lets see ...he rode one of these


seriously I dont know what you're asking/looking for

edit: you're changed your post ...I dont support bush ...I dont agree with any of his policies ...I'm sure there must be at least one progressive policy that I would support, but I havent found any