Suicide is pathetic.

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In my opinions unless your life sucks more then Michel Jackson's suicide is just freaking wrong, its selfish because it puts so many people through trouble and pain. It is the ultimate sign of weakness because it stands for giving up on life. Unless your in constant pain or in some POW camp about to get killed anyways it's just sort of wrong and selfish. Dont hate me for thinking this but theyre are so many things to do besides suicide if your depressed. I have relatives that have killed themselves because of depression and yes I still thinks its selfish and stupid.

and no suicide42 is not pathetic, <3 suicide42
 
I'll always believe there's better ways out.
 
I get clinically depressed but I have never seen suicide as a serious option.. it seems too weak and selfish.
 
When a person is severly depressed they are not thinking rationally. Thus I do not judge them if they think suicide is the only way out. Help them, yes, judge them no. That's my viewpoint anyway.
 
Neutrino said:
When a person is severly depressed they are not thinking rationally. Thus I do not judge them if they think suicide is the only way out. Help them, yes, judge them no. That's my viewpoint anyway.
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ending your existence the only way out? seems rather oxymoronic, but I do agree with you actually. But I still hold true to what I said at the same time.
 
I can't see anyone who is actually thinking rationally going through with a suicide.


bAbYhEaDcRaB said:
and no suicide42 is not pathetic, <3 suicide42
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Haha, that's what I thought at first.
 
Letters said:
I can't see anyone who is actually thinking rationally going through with a suicide.



Haha, that's what I thought at first.
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agreed.
ten lovely characters
 
bAbYhEaDcRaB said:
ending your existence the only way out? seems rather oxymoronic, but I do agree with you actually. But I still hold true to what I said at the same time.
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Ya, I'm not trying to say that it's not bad. It's a horrible thing that no one should ever have to experience. But I just can't blame someone who does it. When a person get's to the point of suicide I truly don't think that they are thinking very clearly. Depression makes it very, very hard to think clearly.

Having said that though, I don't think it's actually wrong in a moral/religious sense though. I still think it is very sad and should not happen of course because a person loses their life and it affects so many people around them. But it just depends on your religious and moral views though.
 
bAbYhEaDcRaB said:
I get clinically depressed but I have never seen suicide as a serious option.. it seems too weak and selfish.
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Same here, I've been really messed up at times and it still doesn't strike me as a 'way out' or whatever.

About the not thinking straight thing, I have thought about it at times, and I definitely wasn't thinking straight, but I never actually in my mind wanted to go through with it. It's really a selfish thing to do to your friends and family... but at the same time, if you are those friends and family there's no way you can blame them for it, only mourn their loss, which is totally ok. There might be some resentment but that's natural for any death or whatever.

Hmm... that's enough 'deep' for one day :)
 
I would know, I used to have it real bad. But when it seems like death is the only way out..it didnt appear as a way it it was more of just let me sit here waiting to die.
 
Growing up in a Catholic household, i thought that people who committed suicide went to hell, but i certainly changed my tune after my grandfather, my aunt, and my cousin all ended their lives. i pray for them every sunday, but i believe that someone who commits suicide cannot think clearly. they cannot understand what their death will do to the rest of their family. they cannot understand how terrible something like this is for those who bury them. i will never truly come to terms with their deaths. it's affected me so much.
 
You're looking it at from one side, your side. You apply your personality onto others and say, "Why would they do it, I've never even thought of doing it." The fact is people are different in thought patterns and personality. When they're depressed that much all rational thought it thrown out the window. You haven't exeperienced it so you have no grounds to judge them as being weak. I haven't ever thought of suicide either, but I don't think the people that do are weak I think they just need help.

You can also take a cultural point of view on this subject. Some cultures see suicide as being a noble and just way of death. The English Cultures tend to have a negetive view on death and thats why death and suicide are seen as bad things.
 
Pressure said:
You're looking it at from one side, your side. You apply your personality onto others and say, "Why would they do it, I've never even thought of doing it." The fact is people are different in thought patterns and personality. When they're depressed that much all rational thought it thrown out the window. You haven't exeperienced it so you have no grounds to judge them as being weak. I haven't ever thought of suicide either, but I don't think the people that do are weak I think they just need help.

You can also take a cultural point of view on this subject. Some cultures see suicide as being a noble and just way of death. The English Cultures tend to have a negetive view on death and thats why death and suicide are seen as bad things.
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too true. I change my mind now.. seriously..just hard to think of how warped a mind has to be in order to consider taking yer own life...
 
It may be that suicidal people aren't thinking clearly, but is that an excuse? Suicide is wrong beyond any argument. You can't just go and murder a human being, even if that human being is yourself. Murder is, after all, murder, and it's wrong.

Who are you to decide wether you can kill yourself? I don't think anybody has the right to decide who gets to live and who doesn't.
 
LittleB said:
It may be that suicidal people aren't thinking clearly, but is that an excuse? Suicide is wrong beyond any argument. You can't just go and murder a human being, even if that human being is yourself. Murder is, after all, murder, and it's wrong.

Who are you to decide wether you can kill yourself? I don't think anybody has the right to decide who gets to live and who doesn't.
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I think pressure's post said it best really. Until you have actually been in that position yourself you have no idea what it feels like. I do understand people being angry at people who commit suicide but how can you blame a person for feeling so horrible that to end their own lives seemed like a relief to them?

Also, as pressure brought up it's a cultural issue as well. Not all cultures consider it a bad thing if it is done is certain contexts.
 
I know what that feels like. I want to end it every goddamn day. But will I? NO! It's just wrong. I can't kill myself, because it's just not right. No argument. Killing is killing. Period.
 
LittleB said:
I know what that feels like. I want to end it every goddamn day. But will I? NO! It's just wrong. I can't kill myself, because it's just not right. No argument. Killing is killing. Period.
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You sounds like someone I used to know, She wouldnt kill herself but she didn't care if someone where to come out of nowhere and just shoot her. It was odd cuzz she really did not fear anything, at least it didn't look like it from the outside. Kinda sad really. :(
 
I know at least 4 people who have killed themselves. All were suffering from depression.

One guy parked his car in his garage with all doors shut and gassed himself. He was a close friend of my dad, they used drive eachother to work etc he left behind a few kids still in school. Another guy who lived a street away and who'd always stop to talk to my mum when he walked past, killed himself not long ago. University degree, very intelligent etc. My neighbours father who was about 60'ish killed himself very recently, he'd always stop over to help with gardening and general oddjobs.

Depression and mental illness is ****ing serious shit.
 
And the last thing depressed people want to be told is how pathetic they are...i think that's the wrong approach....
 
I don't think suicide is ever a good way out in most situations.

A kid I know (I never liked him...in fact I can't stand him but I sorta have to be friendly to him) found his dad dead in bed with a bottle of pills and a glass of wine. He killed himself. I've been nice to this kid because if he realizes that everyone can't stand him and he's an asshole...we don't wanna find out what he'll do.

Just think about that. His dad decided he'd kill himself that afternoon instead of living another day with his caring/loving family. Think of the insult that is to the kid and his surviving family.
 
You know, if I were suicidal and I came here and read about how weak and pathetic I was, what do you think I would do? "Hey, I'm a loser for even thinking like this. Why don't I just **** it all?" Entirely hypothetical or course. I'm not trying to direct this at anyone but I just think that telling a self-destructive person to make sense of this mess is like telling a blind guy to look at something. It's just too distorted for whatever reason and they need understanding instead of insults.
 
I can't see why it would be morally wrong to kill yourself, this is something that really angers me to no end. You have control over your own life, and if you wish to end it, it is not murder or killing. I cannot understand the claim that taking ones own life is wrong. It reminds me of a case I heard of a few months ago. A brain dead women (brain dead as in a total vegetable being kept alive by machines, never able to recover) showed some signs of activity (some very small signs). The family ordered her to be kept alive despite the doctors warnings that these signs were normal and the women was beyond care, while the husband pleaded with the doctors to end it. He had the consent of the brain dead women (she had previously told him to pull the plug if something like that ever happened). The government eventually stepped in and ordered her to be kept alive, completely disregarding the womens own wishes, and ignoring the husband. It made me wonder, why do we postpone the suffering of those who can never recover? Why is it wrong to end the suffering of another human being with death if you have their consent? Why is it wrong to end a life of intense physical or mental pain? Is suicide pathetic for the terminally ill? What about the mentally ill? What about those people who have honestly lost everything they had and everyone they loved? Slipping off into a peaceful darkness is surely better than living the rest of your life in a miserable pain, totally incapacitated in some way, but all too aware of whats going on. Perhaps taking your own life is a selfish act, I'm not quite sure. I do know that being selfish isn't always a bad thing.

From what I know about the subject, the truly suicidal (as in those who commit it or give it an honest attempt, not attention seekers) are not always quite sound of mind for a variety of reasons. Then again some are, and are just tired of the tremendous pains life may bring upon those who live it. Personally, I have no idea if I would kill myself or not. There are certain circumstances under which I would choose death over life I suppose. I know that if I end up like my grandmother, wasting away to nothing, watching my body degrade into a useless sack of flesh and bones totally unable of performing even the most basic functions, humiliated as those I love have to give up all their time to keep me in a pseudo-living state, that I would kill myself before my mind followed suit. I will never be a burden on those I love. If I do become terminally ill like she has, if I am stricken with Alzheimer's or some other progressive disease, I won't postpone the inevitable. I will go on until I've reached crossed the threshold and life is no longer an experience to be had, but a painful burden to be endured.

I don't think suicide is pathetic in all cases. I can't even say it's pathetic in some. The way I see it, if someone has gone so far as to commit suicide, something must have been terribly wrong with their life. It wasn't a call for help, or a strive for attention, it was a permanent solution to a problem that may have had no other answer. I don't know, I prefer not to judge people.
 
I think you should certainly be allowed to kill yourself if you have a terminal disease. I mean, if you are in excruciating pain constantly, confined to a bed, basically a shit and piss factory, why should you not be able to kill yourself? Euthanasia is morally fine by me.
 
Nice post qckbeam. I can agree with a lot of the points you make. I dont' see it as wrong either. But I do see it as terribly sad and a waste. No one should ever have to be put into the state of mind where suicide becomes an option.

My grandma also had a horrible disease as well. She suffered from Alzheimers for almost 15 years. If I ever contracted that disease I may very well take my own life.
 
personally, i don't know anyone who has commited suice.. one of my best frineds dads did, but that was a long time ago before i knew him. i'm a pretty happy-go-lucky person, and even when i'm depressed, i'm still pretty happy. so, form my perspective, i don't really see anything morally wrong with sucide, but i do agree that it's usually a very sad thing (cultural exceptions aside). of course, i think we should recognize, that many suicidal people probably view their own suicide as as much a selfless act as a selfish one. in one sense, they probably think they are removing a burden and metaphorical cancer from their loved ones. certainly in some cases (e.g ritual suicides as protest, suicdes of terminally ill people whose medical bills are astronomical), it could be argued that the killing of oneself is definitely more selfless than selfish. i don't know, it's complicated, and something i'm glad i haven't had to deal with. i suppose you could confer with your relatives/loved ones (assuming you have any) and ask them if they'd support your choice, but who would ever say yes? i don't think it necessarily takes a "twisted mind" to contemplate suicde, just the right circumstances. however, i would agree that the vast majority of "suicidal" people in this society are more about craving attention than making a philosophical statement.

good post qckbeam. the case you speak of is the terri schiavo (sp?) case in florida i think. it's actually a little more complicated than you're characterization though.. the parents of the woman are arguing that she isn't entirely brain-dead (something they claim is evidenced by her actions). and the husband apparently didn't try to pull the plug on her until after he got a new wife and terri's life-insurance matured (or something along those lines). it's an interesting case, that is somewhat removed from this discussion, just because it's kinda a grey area. is she brain-dead or not? and if-so, is it relaly even suicide, or is "terri" already dead?

this actually gets to as more philosophical question about this particular type of killing (of "brain-dead" people). i guess it all comes down to whether or not you believe in a "soul", and what you think the relationship between the soul and the mind/body is. personally, i don't believe in a soul that isseparate from the body (nor a mind that is separate for that matter), so if a person is brain-dead, they are dead-dead in my book. but anyway, that's OT, and i've run out of things to mutter..
 
bAbYhEaDcRaB said:
In my opinions unless your life sucks more then Michel Jackson's , <3 suicide42
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Why Michel Jackson?
 
Kill yourself as much as you want, I don't care. Just don't get other people involved. I hate people who jump in front of trains and traumatize the driver of the train. That IS selfish, ending your life because you're having a tough time but destroying the life of someone else too.
 
bAbYhEaDcRaB said:
and no suicide42 is not pathetic, <3 suicide42
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:D i have a freind :D

as soon as i see the word suicide, i dont actually think of killing yourself for about 2 seconds... i think of me, then i think "ooooohhh, they mean a guy killed himself" and move on :LOL:

but seriosly, i think theres no point in suicide, as there is allways something new to do. even if i had reached rock bottom- i would just move on. i would gather some money and possesions, and walk away into the sunset, to start a new life- far away.
 
bAbYhEaDcRaB said:
In my opinions unless your life sucks more then Michel Jackson's suicide is just freaking wrong, its selfish because it puts so many people through trouble and pain.
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From how you worded it, you were saying that Michael Jackson had committed suicide, please watch your English. I checked the new sites and couldn't see anything at all about his suicide.
 
bAbYhEaDcRaB said:
In my opinions unless your life sucks more then Michel Jackson's suicide is just freaking wrong, its selfish because it puts so many people through trouble and pain. It is the ultimate sign of weakness because it stands for giving up on life. Unless your in constant pain or in some POW camp about to get killed anyways it's just sort of wrong and selfish. Dont hate me for thinking this but theyre are so many things to do besides suicide if your depressed. I have relatives that have killed themselves because of depression and yes I still thinks its selfish and stupid.

and no suicide42 is not pathetic, <3 suicide42
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It's painfully obvious that you don't understand much about life.
 
Suicide is never the answer.. It's against everything that makes us the leading species on our planet.
 
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