Suicide is pathetic.

[IchI]

People can commit suicide if they like. It's there life. If they feel they need to commit suicide because they dislike life then fair enough. Its not selfish. Its just common sense. You just don't go through your life if u hate life in general. I mean I always like to believe that they may be a day when things get better. But its definatly not selfish. Thats just stupid. I have thought about commiting suicide before. Not because I was in pain. I was just thinking what would it be like to die and also the fact that life is just so boring sometimes. Infact... quiet a lot of the time really. If I could see the future and see it did not have anything good in it for me I would most likly commit suicide. I would rather have fun knowing what its like to die and to answer the unanswered rather then go through a life of boring shit.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

When I was younger I got very depressed and seriously considered suicide.


I remember thinking about it. I spent about 10 minutes thinking about what I would miss. And decided that it probably wouldnt be all that much (I was wrong btw)

And then I spent a further 30minutes + thinking about the affect it would have on my mum, dad and brother as well as my friends.

Thats what changed my mind really.




And seriously, I am so glad I didnt take it any further. I mean seriously... you have no idea.

My dad died, about.. year about 2 years ago or something. He was hit by a car on his way home from friends. On top of that only a few weeks before I had heard that my mum and dad were going to get seperated.

I felt very guilty about how I felt after that because in all honestly I felt worse when I heard the news of them getting seperated than when I heard the news that my dad wasnt going to recover.

I think I felt that way because I knew my dad wasnt happy with his life. He hated his job (Teacher) and seemed genuinly depressed alot of the time. I hadnt seen him smile in.... a long time. Even if he didnt show it. I have alot of respect for that now.

My mum and brother thought I was in shock because I never cried. The truth was that I trully believed that he would not have minded dieing if it wasnt for the affect it would have on the family. And I wasnt going to be upset because that was the very thing he didnt want to happen.





Oh, wow.... I kinda let myself go somewhat there.

I have to go revise for maths now.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Suicide seems to go against everything about us that is human. I know i wouldn't commit suicide, no matter where i was because for me it just isn't the way. However, i am not every other human and i haven't lived everyone's life. So i don't know. I'm fortunate enough to have never had a friend who has commited suicide...although some have tried(Its scary how many people do try, but fail because they realise what they are doing or their instinct overwhelms them). Anyway, in my mind i would always have the though that there must be a better way out and im gonna keep looking for it until i die naturally or accidentally....and for me i know that in the end it doesn't really matter. I'd rather live a life of misery knowing that at least i tried, than die knowing i had given up. If my recent experiences have taught meanything, its that we have to try our hardest....if you do that then you won't have any regrets.

There are perhaps times when i would end my life, but only if my death were to save someone else.

 

[Dedalus]

some well thought out responses towards the end of the thread. the earlier posts just seem to be about how suicide is 'wrong'. you're entitled to your opinions but you've experienced it you won't know the full extent of someone's condition.

there are several types of suicidals. the attention seekers (who i'm assuming this 'wrong' talk is directed at), the clinically depressed, and the clinically suicidal.

attention seekers tend to be exactly that. i think it's a bad generalisation but it'll have to do for now.

my girlfriend in my first year of university used to visit the mental health clinic nearby in order to complete her coursework assignments. i used to go along sometimes. there were people in there, who quite honestly i would classify as 'normal' stable people. they weren't psychotic, or maniacally depressed or anything, but they had reasoned (and quite convincingly) persuaded themselves that suicide was a 'lifestyle choice' or something along those lines. it's really quite fascinating when you listen to them, because they're not dangerous to anyone. but under our health regulations they're classified as mentally ill. very touchy subject.

at this clinic there were also proper suicidal people. the carers lovingly call them 'professional suicidals'. these people tended to be 'normal' for the most part. but again, it was the same story of 'lifestyle choice'. there was very little negativity. in all the weeks i went there, not one single person who was suicidal was complaining about their life. they just felt that they must commit suicide to get relief or freedom or just for the experience. i didn't know how much of that was the drugs talking.

as to whether suicide is selfish. yes, if you have a family and all the other bells and whistles of modern society then yes it is selfish. but i don't think it's wrong.

going through puberty, suicide was something that was almost always on my mind. oppressive parents, shitty school, shitty backstabbing untrustworthy 'friends', dumb exams, shit weather...it just felt like too much information coming in at once. i guess a lot of teenagers feel like that, which is where all the 'oh i'm 14 and i want to die' comes from. much like marksman said, you'll be missing a hell of a lot if you commit suicide.

i don't think i'd commit suicide in the future. no matter how depressed i've been, there's always something to apply yourself to. i want to see everything, go everywhere, do everything. so that means every second counts. and that means i must dash as this is taking too much time...

 

[Razor]

I think that a lot of suicide is wrong but there are situations where it might be the right option. If you suffer from an incurable disease and the only thing you and your family can look forward to are years of pain and suffering before you die, i think they should be given the option to have someone assist in their death, as long as the patient, doctor and immediate family all agree.

Throwing yourself infront of a train or off a building though is just a horrible way to go for everyone concerned, it isn't nice.

 

[Adidajs]

Kill yourself as much as you want, I don't care. Just don't get other people involved. I hate people who jump in front of trains and traumatize the driver of the train. That IS selfish, ending your life because you're having a tough time but destroying the life of someone else too.

i'll quote PvtRyan, but several other people have touched upon it too. Unless each man is an island, you will always affect someone if you killed yourself. Your family may be dysfunctional, you may have no one 'best friend', but you WILL affect someone if you kill yourself. No one is truly alone in this world.

Life is beautiful. Life is difficult. Life means pain. Life isn't always a bed of roses. But everyone can find something meaningful/fulfilling/touching in this life. If you kill yourself, you don't give yourself a chance for that.

i may not be the happiest person. I may get depressed. I may get lonely, but i take small pleasures in my life: Whipped Cream on my mocha, beautiful sunset on Cocoa Beach, a friend's joke, a good nights sleep, anticipation of hl2, etc. I live a relatively mundane existence. So Do We All. You have to make a concerted effort to be happy. Some people cannot do that on their own. They need medication.

We all have a chance to be happy. If you commit suicide, did you give yourself a fighting chance? No, you quit before the race ended. Sometimes great movies have slow parts. You gotta stay till the end to realize that.

 

[Dedalus]

i'll quote PvtRyan, but several other people have touched upon it too. Unless each man is an island, you will always affect someone if you killed yourself. Your family may be dysfunctional, you may have no one 'best friend', but you WILL affect someone if you kill yourself. No one is truly alone in this world.

Life is beautiful. Life is difficult. Life means pain. Life isn't always a bed of roses. But everyone can find something meaningful/fulfilling/touching in this life. If you kill yourself, you don't give yourself a chance for that.

i may not be the happiest person. I may get depressed. I may get lonely, but i take small pleasures in my life: Whipped Cream on my mocha, beautiful sunset on Cocoa Beach, a friend's joke, a good nights sleep, anticipation of hl2, etc. I live a relatively mundane existence. So Do We All. You have to make a concerted effort to be happy. Some people cannot do that on their own. They need medication.

We all have a chance to be happy. If you commit suicide, did you give yourself a fighting chance? No, you quit before the race ended. Sometimes great movies have slow parts. You gotta stay till the end to realize that.

marry me? please?

 

[CptStern]

anyone who wants to commit suicide should be sent to the congo or iraq, find out how hard life really is

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

What an inteligent post....

 

[CptStern]

so says the person with the faulty grammer and spelling

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

I really dont give a shit about my spelling and gramma. I personally think that saying that suicidal people should be sent to the congo says more about a person than a persons English skills.

 

[craig]

What if you've been diagnosed with a terminal illness and you choose to end your life before you start to suffer, in the long run would it not be better for your family to remember you as you were?

Suicide's validity is different for every case, you can just condemn it for every person just because 'you' think its wrong. Some people are selfish for wanting to kill themselves, but some arent.

 

[CptStern]

I really dont give a shit about my spelling and gramma. I personally think that saying that suicidal people should be sent to the congo says more about a person than a persons English skills.

see the problem here is that you're an ibecile, obviously you didnt understand my intent

 

[Lil' Timmy]

see the problem here is that you're an ibecile, obviously you didnt understand my intent

well wtf was your intent stern? marksman is not an imbecile, and your post about congo/iraq was pretty ****ing banal tbph. many people who witness killing and attrocities like those would be even more inclined to commit suicide.. was that the point of your post? why don't you enlighten us with your brilliance? also, comments about peoples grammar etc. on a internet forum are quite lame.. grow up.

 

[CptStern]

....sigh

me (CptStern) want to say: "have no food like people in congo, life really hard, all of sudden little problems no mean anything"

...was that easier to understand?

 

[Lil' Timmy]

....sigh

me (CptStern) want to say: "have no food like people in congo, life really hard, all of sudden little problems no mean anything"

...was that easier to understand?

wow you're so cute and clever! anyway, that's what i thought you were trying to say.. which is targetted directly at people who are "suicidal" for fairly trivial reasons or for the attention.. a position that has been dealt with by numerous posts already in this thread.. therefor the "banal" comment. look, post what you want, but don't be surprised when you get called on stupid posts. and again, i will say.. for certain people, seeing the true horrors of life would push them closer to suicide, not the opposite. but that's a different discussion.

 

[Adidajs]

marry me? please?

I think I understand about the Congo statement. Basically he/she meant was that if you strip life down to its basest, you're concerned for your survival and not your happiness. Ok, but i hardly see how that presents a reasonable argument against suicide. It doesn't negate someone's desire to end their life.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

....sigh

me (CptStern) want to say: "have no food like people in congo, life really hard, all of sudden little problems no mean anything"

...was that easier to understand?

Each man carries his own burden.

You can't say a problem is trivial, when to that person it may not be. It is not for you to say whether someone is "really" suffering or not.

Perhaps when compared to the suffering in a country such as the Congo, a person may see things differently, but that isnt to say what they feel now means nothing.

 

[CptStern]

k here's the deal:

i was a special needs teacher for 7 years. One of my students had a rare disease where the likihood of surviving past 20 was 0 % (it was awhile back and he's since died) oh and his older brother had the same thing. despite all this he was a happy person who went out of his way to be nice to people even though he knew he didnt have much time to live he made the most of it. moral of story: life's what u make it

 

[craig]

k here's the deal:

i was a special needs teacher for 7 years. One of my students had a rare disease where the likihood of surviving past 20 was 0 % (it was awhile back and he's since died) oh and his older brother had the same thing. despite all this he was a happy person who went out of his way to be nice to people even though he knew he didnt have much time to live he made the most of it. moral of story: life's what u make it

and then you die. and go to heaven for a set with jimmi hedrix.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

life's what u make it

to some extent that's true, but you can't boil everybody's life down to one simple rule.

 

[CptStern]

wow you're so cute and clever! anyway, that's what i thought you were trying to say.. which is targetted directly at people who are "suicidal" for fairly trivial reasons or for the attention.. a position that has been dealt with by numerous posts already in this thread.. therefor the "banal" comment. look, post what you want, but don't be surprised when you get called on stupid posts. and again, i will say.. for certain people, seeing the true horrors of life would push them closer to suicide, not the opposite. but that's a different discussion.

well all I can say is that there are a lot of people in this world that would kill for the simple things in life that we take for granted. The truly suicidal people out there will do it wether we intervene or not, all others are crying for attention

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Thats what was established earlier on...this whole last section is a waste of space.

 

[Moejoe]

I think suicide can be justified, but there are moments when it isn't. Like, when a stock investor goes completely broke because his company crashed. He kills himself because he has no money. that's wrong. But things like assisted suicide with terminally ill patients is okay.

As far as ALWAYS going to hell no matter what the situation is in suicide, BS...Now, i'm not very religious at all. Someone's up there imo, but i don't agree with any of the religions. I bet whoever is up there wouldn't condemn a person to eternal suffering because of suicide. There's no way there can be a 'blanket rule' like that, it just doesn't make sense. anyway, that's as far as i'm going with this.

 

[ApocalypseNow]

In my opinions unless your life sucks more then Michel Jackson's suicide is just freaking wrong, its selfish because it puts so many people through trouble and pain. It is the ultimate sign of weakness because it stands for giving up on life. Unless your in constant pain or in some POW camp about to get killed anyways it's just sort of wrong and selfish. Dont hate me for thinking this but theyre are so many things to do besides suicide if your depressed. I have relatives that have killed themselves because of depression and yes I still thinks its selfish and stupid.

How would you know suicide is stupid unless you've tried!??! so until you try suicide I suggest you dont talk shit... :cheese:

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

Maybe I was a little touchie when dealing with CptStern, but its a bit of a touchy subject for me to be honest.

And thanks for backing me up in that I aint no imbecile Lil' Timmy. I appreciate it.