Teacher Jailed for Self Defence?

Because you can't go around shooting at people, simple as that. Call the police and then wait.

This isn't America, yet.
 
Un - ****ing - believable in one sense, but the woman should have kept her head and waited 'till the police came

Still takes the piss tho'
 
She has been calling the police, and waiting, for quite some time I gather. Nothing ever comes of it.

She shouldn't have acted as she did, but the-

Oh, to hell with it. I honestly think some people should be atomised on the spot, and nothing will change that. We have a brilliant history of letting young thugs get away with murder- often literally. That needs to change, and then we wouldn't have the otherwise spotless records of special-school teachers being blemished.

At least in America those bastards would've been dead/wounded already. They need to appreciate the state of the country we live in, and our ineffectual laws, because I doubt they'd like to be moved to regimes whereby such behaviour can result in public floggings.

Although, ethical issues aside, I reckon they'd deserve it. It might put things in perspective.
 
Edcrab said:
She has been calling the police, and waiting, for quite some time I gather. Nothing ever comes of it.

She shouldn't have acted as she did, but the-

Oh, to hell with it. I honestly think some people should be atomised on the spot, and nothing will change that. We have a brilliant history of letting young thugs get away with murder- often literally. That needs to change, and then we wouldn't have the otherwise spotless records of special-school teachers being blemished.

At least in America those bastards would've been dead/wounded already. They need to appreciate the state of the country we live in, and our ineffectual laws, because I doubt they'd like to be moved to regimes whereby such behaviour can result in public floggings.

Although, ethical issues aside, I reckon they'd deserve it. It might put things in perspective.
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Maybe that is the problem, maybe we do need to outsource our justice system to Iran.
 
Perhaps if this was an airsoft pistol or something, but an air rifle? They can cause serious damage. Yes, she had good reason for her actions and all, but perhaps she should have used something less... incriminating to ward them off.
 
Urgh, I really could picture that. At least re-offenders would be non-existant :x

Never mind the language barrier... first time in legal history our officers could be allowed to apprehend suspects merely for acting suspiciously, or beat someone senseless for hurling abuse at the police.

Less incriminating? What, a silenced assault weapon with a biodegradable bullet or something?

Stupidest thing she did was tell the police what she planned to do if they didn't turn up soon and end the confronation.

Stupidest thing the police did is... well, I can't so much blame our law enforcers as the pathetic laws they try and enforce.
 
Teachers used to be able to do anything to the students.
 
And you know what? I honestly think it helped the most extreme delinquents in the long run.

This was outside of school, but sometimes I really do pray for the day that you can freely use violence against the antisocial. The social repercussions could well tear this country apart, but it'd be nice to see a yob sobbing with a cricket-bat-shaped bruise on his skull. Hard man my arse.

Change ASBOs to a certificate that hearby allows everyone to legally assault and harm the man/woman who it has been issued to. That'd be far more effective. Heh.
 
Bah, what bull. You should be allowed to do what you like to scum like them. The police don't do shit
 
Thank god people get punishment for firing guns at people.

What she did was wrong, but what the people was doing to her wasn't good either. But you don't have to fire guns at people to solve things.
 
Stupid. Can't even protect our own property. If someone breaks into your house, and you dog attacks them, the burgular sues you and gets the dog put down. If he breaks in and you attack him to protect your family. He sues, you get put in jail.

Our justice system is stupid. Hope by the time i get my own house i will be allowed to protect it and my family without fear of going to jail for doing whats right.
 
Would you get sent to prison if you stabbed someone who was beating the living crap out of you or would they acknowlege that your life was in danger? Does it even matter that she may have been trying to protect herself from an immediate threat?
 
i didn't know what a pellet gun was considered a firearm, plus, did those punks got hurt at all?
 
You guys should understand what these idiots were doing to the woman and her family, and the state of mind this put her in. Like Shippi said, the police seriously don't care about these situations (all they're after now is money from speeding cars). The woman was aiming at the pavement infront of them purposefully, to ward them off. If I was in her situation, i'd have probably been aiming for their heads.

There's no justice in this country any more. She should not be locked up for doing the job the Police should be doing..
 
What job? Shooting at their feet to make the little buggers **** off and never come back? You think that'd work?

Well, I do. Bring on the crime reductions and the widespread terrifying of bastards.

Alternatively we could change the law so that the police can actually do something.
 
I've always opted for the *three strikes and you're hanged* strategy of policing.

Lets face it, would you comit a crime if you had two strikes?
 
they used to cut of theives' hands and stick their arms in hot tar. There would be so much less shoplifting if that still happened.
 
Jangle said:
they used to cut of theives' hands and stick their arms in hot tar. There would be so much less shoplifting if that still happened.
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And tar usage would be through the roof...imagine the envirometal effects man!
 
Yeah, just look at the research into smoking- picture that much extra tar seeping into the atmosphere breathed by the innocent populace!

We'd either have to settle for mere dismemberment, or carry out the "tar topping" in airtight underground facilities- specially made for the task or converted from military bunkers, whichever is most viable.

You always need to think of the consequences for people other than the villians!
 
It wouldn't have been so bad if the police had nicked the bastards who'd driven her to that kind of behaviour. Special needs teachers are usually not the kind who go out for mindless violence against youths. She shouldn't have threatened with a gun, but y'know, those thugs deserved any sentence she got, if not more.
 
Thar shall be protesting and much discord throughout the lands of Manchester.

And she shall be released for fear of the public's lashing and mangling.
 
This made my blood boil when I saw it on the news earlier. A special needs teacher with 25 years experience terrorised in her own home.
She had phoned the police for help but they never bothered.
Her life is in ruins; she will no doubt lose her job, later on and when released from jail will probably find it impossible to stay in her present home.

No doubt, also, the two upstanding, model citizens whom she took on will be giving paper, TV interviews etc telling all how terrible the entire ordeal was. They will no doubt , at some stage line up some lawyer to take a civil action against her, trying to sue her for thousands, as their entire lives have fallen apart since the incident. They will no doubt blame their future failing on this poor women.

Justice ......British style
 
Back before the government we'd just pass communal justice- which would, in this case, involve the odd lynching, I'd bet.

A no nonsense approach to crime, regardless of their age. That's what I want to see. I don't want more 10 month sentences for 17 year old killers, for one thing.
 
Walker, wearing a light pink skirt and white shirt, showed little emotion as her sentence was read out at Manchester's Minshull Street Crown Court.
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Why the hell did it list what she was wearing? :p
 
I wonder what the turn out would have been in America? Women gets her gun, fires off a shot and the kids run off. Happens often here actually. One time on Haloween we were just innocently going around collecting candy and then all of a suden my friend gets shot in the ass from a pelet gun, we hide behind a car and about these guys start yelling at us and taunting us, about 5 minutes later 5 cop cars come and have the house surrounded and guns drawn...ah that was an awesome site. Apparently the kids had been doing it all night to random people...don't know why I told that story though...
 
Xune said:
Because you can't go around shooting at people, simple as that. Call the police and then wait.

This isn't America, yet.
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The fatally, literally fatally, flawed logic I see all too often. You can't go around shooting people, but you have a right to defend yourself and your family.

As far as I know BB guns/Pellet guns/Airguns aren't banned there, are they? I don't see how these can be classed as firearms. Firearms implies .. fire.. as in the reaction that takes place to shoot off bullets. BB Guns/Pellet guns are like sophisticated blowguns.

This is sad, they should be released

lePobz said:
I've always opted for the *three strikes and you're hanged* strategy of policing.

Lets face it, would you comit a crime if you had two strikes?
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California has it, I wish we had it in Arizona
 
RakuraiTenjin said:
The fatally, literally fatally, flawed logic I see all too often. You can't go around shooting people, but you have a right to defend yourself and your family.

As far as I know BB guns/Pellet guns/Airguns aren't banned there, are they? I don't see how these can be classed as firearms. Firearms implies .. fire.. as in the reaction that takes place to shoot off bullets. BB Guns/Pellet guns are like sophisticated blowguns.

This is sad, they should be released


California has it, I wish we had it in Arizona
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Definition of a firearm is a barreled device that projects a missile at lethal energy. (or something like that)
Uk law states that using anything that is symbolically like a gun in a crime it is like using a firearm.
For example if i broke into a warehouse with a Cap gun i would be commiting armed break-in.
If the police did bugger all and it is a major problem, she had no choice but to take matters into her hands.
I own air guns e.t.c but i would not use them to defend my house, i have a 10" diving knife and a pair of tonfa for that.

And if anyone attacks my family severley (not something like a stone coming through a window) i will attack them.
 
I still find it ironic that the damnable police only thought to dispatch a patrol car when she declared her violent intent and was told it was an "arrestable offence, goodbye".

The worst part is that the retarded little ****ers won't believe themselves to be guilty of anything, and their parents will likely be just as bad. The real victim here is the newly incarcerated teacher- moral of this story, if you're the agressor, and you launch a prolonged hate campaign, you can get away with everything and laugh as the object of your abuse is carted off.
 
The worst part is that the retarded little ****ers won't believe themselves to be guilty of anything, and their parents will likely be just as bad. The real victim here is the newly incarcerated teacher- moral of this story, if you're the agressor, and you launch a prolonged hate campaign, you can get away with everything and laugh as the object of your abuse is carted off.
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This very sadly is true.
 
She is lucky she didn't hit any of them, otherwise she may have been jailed for years.

Man i live in America, and if it was me i would have shot one with just enough power to hurt. That said, my air rifle has a target grade barrell, match scope, and is capable of firing at over 800fps. If i wanted someone dead, chances are it would only take one shot. So, you have to be careful about what is a percieved threat, and what you can get actualy proof on.
 
That was not self-defence. That was revenge. She went out after some guys with an air-rifle, because she thought they were the guys who smashed her garden ornaments and poured washing up liquid on a family car. You just don't get to do that.

As annoying as vandalism is, and ive copped plenty in my time - if you own a good car in australia it will be vandalised pretty quickly by people who are jealous. Nothing you can do. Install cameras maybe and hope you catch them. But you cant run after the nearest suspects with an air-rifle.
 
Yes, but she didnt know if that group of youths were the perpertrators.
Remids me of a story a while ago that happened in the UK.
A man had caught a burgaller in his home, knocked him out and tied him up. He then called the police and then waited 30minutes, after waiting this amount of time he was more than annoyed, so ..... He rang up the police again and said "Theres no need to come now, Ive shot him". This brought the police there straight away. Dunno if he got charged or what but funny non the same.
 
solaris152000 said:
Yes, but she didnt know if that group of youths were the perpertrators.
Remids me of a story a while ago that happened in the UK.
A man had caught a burgaller in his home, knocked him out and tied him up. He then called the police and then waited 30minutes, after waiting this amount of time he was more than annoyed, so ..... He rang up the police again and said "Theres no need to come now, Ive shot him". This brought the police there straight away. Dunno if he got charged or what but funny non the same.
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Yeah, I read about that a year ago in a broadsheet. :D The guy ( I thought it was a woman atch, but I digress ) who caught the criminal was asked - 'I thought you said you shot him?' to which he replied -

'I thought you said there was no-one in the area'
 
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