Team Fortress 2 discussion...

[tokin]

Let's all have a TF2 discussion. Who thinks the game will be included with HL2 and who thinks it wont come out for months. How do you feel about it? Is it overrated? Careless about it? I think it's going to be amazing, especially some of the things i have read about it from the past.

 

[Eywanadi]

Bwahahahaahaahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha *gasping for air* hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha *oh god help me I am going to die* hahahahahahaahaha ... ha

No I don't think so.

 

[Neo_Kuja]

In the collector's edition, probably ......

 

[Devilphish]

Valve has shown it will capitalize wherever possible as much as possible, so no. TF2 will no doubt be sold as a stand alone product at full price.

 

[ShadowFox]

Not a chance. TF2 is a standalone game.

I am not that excited about TF2. I am much more excited about TFC:S.

 

[FoxDie]

I think they have temporarily set aside TF2. My guess is that they will start tearing away at getting it done once HL2 and the various Source ports are done.

 

[tokin]

I think your probably right. They refuse to talk about it, and valve does show that they will make money wherever they can. They did say it was in the finishing stages but it's probably pushed aside and if TFC:S is coming out soon after HL2 then I bet we won't see TF2 for awhile.

 

[Chris D]

TF2 will be a game in its own right. It'll be a large scale release as will HL2 be. TF2 has probably been in development for as long as HL2.

 

[thehunter1320]

TF2 has probably been in development for as long as HL2.

ahh... my little Chis_D... so young... so naive

 

[tokin]

Well valve said they would release more info about it after the release announcement of HL2...guess that means we are "suppose" to hear something in the next 2-3 months. I wish they would atleast let us know WHY they can't talk about it...because the game is aside and not being worked on or if they just want to get other things done. Knowing from the comment they made about talking about it after the HL2 release, that must mean they don't want to be bothered by it or something.

 

[Adidajs]

no way. tf2 is a standalone product. Chris_D is right. why would valve do that? hell, you have to buy cz to even play cs:s beta. (not me). it's not even a possibility to be released with hl2. tf2 is their next product.
my question: what's after those ? is it only hl3? i wonder if they're thinking that far...

 

[DarkStar]

What's there to discuss? Valve has released absolutley 0 information on this game for over 4 years.

 

[Z|insane]

What's there to discuss? Valve has released absolutley 0 information on this game for over 4 years.

*Z|insane cries because its true. I want my TF2....

 

[EVIL]

Valve has shown it will capitalize wherever possible as much as possible, so no. TF2 will no doubt be sold as a stand alone product at full price.

might be because they spend 40 milion and they want to make it back ASAP

 

[tokin]

Actually that's totally true. They are only giving out the beta to those people who have CZ and the cafes. Although they may just be doing this because they dont have enough power on steam to give it out to everyone or they just decided to give it out to a select few and that was the best way to do it. However they did put a lot of money into their engine and whatever else so yeah they will probably do whatever possible to make a huge profit.

 

[Devilphish]

might be because they spend 40 milion and they want to make it back ASAP

Don't get so defensive, I wasn't attacking Valve. On second thought, maybe I was. I'm sure id software dropped quite a load making Doom3, you don't see them taking all their old games and some mods they bought out and re-releasing them as stand alone products at stores for full price under the pretense of a half-assed port to their new engine. They even try to sucker you into buying that POS Condition-Zero just to play the beta of the half-assed port of a game we have all been playing for many years! And lets face it, CS:S is half-assed. It looks like shit and the others probably won't look any better. Valve will make their 40 mil back within 6 months of HL2 being released, and we both know it. They are just some greedy bastards. End of story.

 

[brink's]

Don't get so defensive, I wasn't attacking Valve. On second thought, maybe I was. I'm sure id software dropped quite a load making Doom3, you don't see them taking all their old games and some mods they bought out and re-releasing them as stand alone products at stores for full price under the pretense of a half-assed port to their new engine. They even try to sucker you into buying that POS Condition-Zero just to play the beta of the half-assed port of a game we have all been playing for many years! And lets face it, CS:S is half-assed. It looks like shit and the others probably won't look any better. Valve will make their 40 mil back within 6 months of HL2 being released, and we both know it. They are just some greedy bastards. End of story.

Dude why are you even here, all you do is talk about how crappy HL2 is and how ID and doom3 can do no wrong.

Second of all, ya valve is trying to make money...BIG suprise!
but their not the greedy dickheads you make them out to be. If you don't feel like buying CZ( which a lot of people are happy with by the way) to play the Css beta then wait to buy HL2 and get it free. Thats what I'm doing. Also valve has stated that the old mods etc put to source will be budget priced.-not full

Who knows what ID would have done if they had 2 hudgly successful mods like DOD and CS at there disposal. At least they havn't charged for them yet (minus CZ)

 

[Devilphish]

Who knows what ID would have done if they had 2 hudgly successful mods like DOD and CS at there disposal. At least they havn't charged for them yet (minus CZ)

ROFL. Yes, lets give Valve credit for not charging for a community made mod........Yet.

Minus CZ.

GG.

EDIT: BTW, I have never said anything about HL2 being crappy. HL@ will most likely be a pretty cool game, just like Doom3. But I'm not partial to Valve and HL2 like the rest of you, and I will call them as I see them. And Valve has a lot of screw ups and questionable actions to complain about where id doesn't. Thats just the way it is.

 

[brink's]

ROFL. Yes, lets give Valve credit for not charging for a community made mod........Yet.

Minus CZ.

GG.

Well , when they start charging for cs it won't be a community made mod, will it

Did you read the rest of my post?

 

[Shuzer]

CS hasn't been a community made mod since 1.0.. I don't understand you people :|

 

[brink's]

EDIT: BTW, I have never said anything about HL2 being crappy.

Yes, but constantly comparing it to DOOM3 in a negative manner is another way of calling it crappy.

 

[Devilphish]

Also valve has stated that the old mods etc put to source will be budget priced.-not full

Ok. If this is true, they are just slightly less greedy.

Well , when they start charging for cs it won't be a community made mod, will it

No, when you start charging for a free community made mod, it ceases to be free and becomes a commercial product. thats the whole point of what I'm saying. Valve saw yet another opportunity to cash in on the folks, so they snatched up CS, a free game that accumulated a huge following, and turned it into a commercial product. Just one more way for Gabe to get his grubby hands in your pockets. And people think they are so community driven just because they made Source moddable. Ofcourse they did! They see now how much they can cash out on popular mods by buying them out and charging for the sequels, not to mention superficially updated remixes of the already free mod! Yes, they love the community alright. More accurately, they love the communities willingness to fork over cash for something they have been playing for free and was meant to be free(and should be free) all along.

Yes, but constantly comparing it to DOOM3 in a negative manner is another way of calling it crappy.

This is your own skewed perspective at work. I never said HL2 was crappy, insinuated the game was crappy, or said Doom3 was better. If I make comparisons, either to Doom3 or something else, it is only to get the point across as clearly as possible.

 

[Shuzer]

To get your point across that Doom 3 is a gift sent down from heaven (or, sent up from hell rather )?

Honestly, you praise Doom 3 like none I've ever seen. It will have its own flaws, and when people point them out to you.. meh, you're just not willing to accept that you're a huge iD/Doom3 fanboy..

 

[Eywanadi]

Id has made the source code to Quake and Quake 2 FREE to EVERYONE and have had several very successfull MODs they have never tried to cash in on ... such as ... oh I dun know ... TEAM FORTRESS

I would be willing to bet the quake 3 source will be public before the end of 2005 because that is just the type of guy Carmack is.

ID is not in it for the money and I respect that ... but they make a shitload of money so who knows what they would do if they were going backrupt ...

 

[Shuzer]

Yep, iD isn't in it for the money.. of course they're not.. how many Ferraris does Carmack have, again?

Put this stupid crap to rest, iD and VALVe are both companies. Their longterm goals are to BOTH make money *AND* to make great games. Neither are in it for charity, EVERYONE HAS TO MAKE A LIVING.

 

[Eywanadi]

Yep, iD isn't in it for the money.. of course they're not.. how many Ferraris does Carmack have, again?

Put this stupid crap to rest, iD and VALVe are both companies. Their longterm goals are to BOTH make money *AND* to make great games. Neither are in it for charity, EVERYONE HAS TO MAKE A LIVING.

Making money is one thing and making all the money you can is another.

 

[Shuzer]

Making money is one thing and making all the money you can is another.

Wow. id has had more to ride on than VALVe (namely, engine licenses). VALVe has to make up for it somehow (how many people licensed the HL engine? The only one that comes to mind is Nightfire).. besides, they have yet to sell any community mods that still can't be downloaded for free

To say id does more charity work for gamers than VALVe is kind of short sighted.. but whatever, keep thinking id isn't in it for making money.. maybe it'll come true one day (oh wait, no it won't)

 

[brink's]

Id has made the source code to Quake and Quake 2 FREE to EVERYONE and have had several very successfull MODs they have never tried to cash in on ... such as ... oh I dun know ... TEAM FORTRESS...

I realize that TF was a huge mod but it was no where near what cs and dod are today.

I would be willing to bet the quake 3 source will be public before the end of 2005 because that is just the type of guy Carmack is.

Don't act like he's a saint for doing this, its cool and all but when was the last time you were excited about an upcoming Quake 2 game . its dated technology.

ID is not in it for the money and I respect that ... but they make a shitload of money so who knows what they would do if they were going backrupt ...

Now your just being ridiculous, ID is in it to make money, everyone is. Its what our whole system is based on.
though valve wants it more then id.

 

[tokin]

Made this topic to be about TF2 but i guess there isn't much to talk about, now it's turned into an arguement. BTW valve should charge for CS:S because it's in there own hands now and they have majorily updated it with tons of new things.

edit: Valve is about to make a killing selling HL2, CS:S, monthly payments through steam, other mods they sell, TF2, SDK, it never ends! Also, we can all conclude that TF2 is on hold and won't show for awhile since CS:S is packaging with HL2.

 

[tokin]

Now your just being ridiculous, ID is in it to make money, everyone is. Its what our whole system is based on.
though valve wants it more then id.

Not only that, valve deserves it more than id. They put way more $$ into it too.

 

[FoxDie]

CS hasn't been a community made mod since 1.0.. I don't understand you people :|

A very good point...

Wow. id has had more to ride on than VALVe (namely, engine licenses). VALVe has to make up for it somehow (how many people licensed the HL engine? The only one that comes to mind is Nightfire).. besides, they have yet to sell any community mods that still can't be downloaded for free

To say id does more charity work for gamers than VALVe is kind of short sighted.. but whatever, keep thinking id isn't in it for making money.. maybe it'll come true one day (oh wait, no it won't)

Another good set of points. I mean come on, I paid $5 for an old copy of HL, downloaded Steam, and got CS, DOD, Opposing Force, TFC, and Ricochet )) for free. If they were really horrible money-monger devil bastards that need to be clensed by the id crew, then they would only give you what you pay for, and charge you for the rest.

 

[Devilphish]

To get your point across that Doom 3 is a gift sent down from heaven (or, sent up from hell rather )?

Honestly, you praise Doom 3 like none I've ever seen.

Now your just putting words in my mouth. I don't remember praising DOom3, or saying hl2 is crappy, or any of the other shit you guys have accused me of saying. Blah. Whatever. :flame:

Sorry for derailing your thread tokin. It seems I can't make a single post without getting a few HL2 fans riled up. I won't post here anymore.

 

[FoxDie]

I don't remember praising DOom3, or saying hl2 is crappy

Really? Well you are doing a lot of VALVe bashing, and id praising...

I'm sure id software dropped quite a load making Doom3, you don't see them taking all their old games and some mods they bought out and re-releasing them as stand alone products at stores for full price under the pretense of a half-assed port to their new engine

And Valve has a lot of screw ups and questionable actions to complain about where id doesn't. Thats just the way it is.

Don't get so defensive, I wasn't attacking Valve. On second thought, maybe I was.

so they snatched up CS, a free game that accumulated a huge following, and turned it into a commercial product. Just one more way for Gabe to get his grubby hands in your pockets.

If VALVe was a huge heartless, money gobbling machine that didn't care about the community, I don't think we would have 40+ pages of them replying to our questions about their game. And when you spend 5 years making a game engine, you might want to put more games on it than just one...hence the ports.

You can't expect to come onto a fansite for HL2, and start bashing the developer that makes it, and expect everyone to sit around peacefully and listen to it. Especially when you make another company out to be a god compared to them. I like both companies, neither is evil, and they are both in it for money and to make great games. End of story.

 

[Devilphish]

To clerify, I said I never said HL2 was crappy. That has nothing to do with how I feel about Valve, which isn't good. And compared to Valve, id certainly is God himself. My opinion. I'm tired.

 

[brink's]

To clerify, I said I never said HL2 was crappy. That has nothing to do with how I feel about Valve, which isn't good. And compared to Valve, id certainly is God himself. My opinion. I'm tired.

Thats the problem though, in your eyes nothing can ever compare to ID and DOOM3, cause they are god.

 

[ShadowFox]

id has certainly put their fans though less stress. But I like both companies.

 

[Tr0n]

To clerify, I said I never said HL2 was crappy. That has nothing to do with how I feel about Valve, which isn't good. And compared to Valve, id certainly is God himself. My opinion. I'm tired.

*Tr0n hands Devilphish a flame retardent suit

 

[FoxDie]

To clerify, I said I never said HL2 was crappy. That has nothing to do with how I feel about Valve, which isn't good. And compared to Valve, id certainly is God himself. My opinion. I'm tired.

*Tr0n hands Devilphish a flame retardent suit

Agreed, you might want to put this on...

 

[Eywanadi]

Don't act like he's a saint for doing this, its cool and all but when was the last time you were excited about an upcoming Quake 2 game . its dated technology.

I am SUPER MEGA HYPED for WF-Fusion. It is Quake 2 Weapons Factory (the q2 child of TF) merged with the Q2-Fusion engine that was made possible by the GPL of the Quake 2 engine. You can find more out here.
---edit---

Check out this video of WF-Fusion



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ID is in it to make money, everyone is. Its what our whole system is based on.
though valve wants it more then id.

Making money is one thing and making all the money you can is another.

 

[brink's]

I am SUPER MEGA HYPED for WF-Fusion. It is Quake 2 Weapons Factory (the q2 child of TF) merged with the Q2-Fusion engine that was made possible by the GPL of the Quake 2 engine. You can find more out here.

that looks interesting
but they havn't updated their progress in awhile.