Terrorism Disccusion

[SidewinderX]

Hmmm.... to many mods on terrorism been made these days. I wasn't bothered when the twin towers where bombed and not really bothered at the moment, at least 50% of terrorism would be solved if americans pulled all there troops out off foriegn.

This was from a mod thread, but I figured we might as well talk about here, not in the mod thread.

That comment was one of the most ignorant comments anyone could make. Most terrorism in the world isn't directed towards Americans. A large majority of Terrorism is directed agaisnt Israel, which the US isn't causeing. The IRA doesn't conduct attacks because of America. Also, point out situations where terrorist attacks are caused by american troops on Forigen soil. Yes, Iraq, but that's about it. Why does America Have troops in many places of the world? Becase other nations wanted them there. The US has treaty obligations.


Discuss.

 

[Fat Tony!]

Well obviously your right whats to discuss?

 

[The Mullinator]

The only reason that people say things like that (what IchI said) is because they are ignorant. They make up their opinions based on not facts but the opinions that they hear from other people. It is obvious that IchI knows very little of world events and history and he ends up basing his opinions from either very little information, information that is completely untrue, or both.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

Can't wait till IchI sees this thread....



But yes. Very ignorant indeed. People should be more carefull when posting on a forum with opinionated rubish because there is allmost allways someone who knows the true facts.....



Remember that.

 

[Murray_H]

Before anyone goes off their tits, remember:

Ignorance is not being stupid, its not being aware of all sides of something and making a judgement from limited information

 

[Mr. Bildo]

I'll never forget that the day after 9/11, my cousin in California starting whining about this same stuff, "...you know, I was talking with my friends and we all agreed that it was tragic, but maybe we got what we deserved." Some people are just brain dead. Unthinking. Intellectualy mute.

--Mr. Bildo

 

[chu]

I really don't like Ichi, he's a complete ignoramus.

 

[Mr.Reak]

Not again...

 

[GhostValkyrie]

This was from a mod thread, but I figured we might as well talk about here, not in the mod thread.

That comment was one of the most ignorant comments anyone could make. Most terrorism in the world isn't directed towards Americans. A large majority of Terrorism is directed agaisnt Israel, which the US isn't causeing. The IRA doesn't conduct attacks because of America. Also, point out situations where terrorist attacks are caused by american troops on Forigen soil. Yes, Iraq, but that's about it. Why does America Have troops in many places of the world? Becase other nations wanted them there. The US has treaty obligations.


Discuss.

I agree. One thing you have to take into consideration is that a lof of people who blame America for terrorism, seemingly sympathize with terrorism. Back when I was in school, there was this one girl who didn't pledge because she was an IRA supporter...

The IRA and Hezbollah are no different.

 

[fizzlephox]

I live in Texas. Over here kids just recently started to pledge allegiance to Texas first and then the U.S. second. No, really, they say the Texas Pledge (short and uninspired) first and then after that they say the good ol American Pledge (actually has a history behind it and isn't short and uninspired).

The Texas pledge truly moves me. Here it is.

"Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one and indivisible."

Yup, Texas is "indivisible". I mean, the American Pledge says that because of the civil war and the states are still united together and everything. The Texas pledge says that because...well it just says things.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

I live in Texas. Over here kids just recently started to pledge allegiance to Texas first and then the U.S. second. No, really, they say the Texas Pledge (short and uninspired) first and then after that they say the good ol American Pledge (actually has a history behind it and isn't short and uninspired).

The Texas pledge truly moves me. Here it is.

"Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one and indivisible."

Yup, Texas is "indivisible". I mean, the American Pledge says that because of the civil war and the states are still united together. The Texas pledge says that because...

WTF are you talking about!? When the hell did this start?
I love my state, but that has to be the dumbest thing I've heard.
It has to be limited to certain areas, I would've thought it'd be on the news by now if it was a pledge by the state.

Man, we didn't have that when I was in school.

 

[fizzlephox]

I hate the fact that they started to do that too. It makes me look stupid when I come from a state that says its own pledge before that of the United States. A short and stupid pledge that just copies the Pledge of Allegiance, and really means nothing too. Some politicians made it up last year to 'increase a sense of citizenship' among Texas students.

"The Legislature passed, and Gov. Rick Perry last week signed into law, a bill ordering all school districts to require students to pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flags once during each school day, starting in the fall."

Of course that was from a while ago. But that's how it came to pass.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

USA comes first in my book.
Thank God I never had to take part in some stupid Texas pledge.
I can't even understand why you would need to do so. Sure, we need a stronger sense of citizenship, but shouldn't we focus on American citizenship?
Jeez, it's been a while since we stopped being a Republic. :dozey:

 

[Sprafa]

You americans....
Well out here at good jolly old Europe we aren't worried about terrorism. Do you want to know why?
check my avatar real close.

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Back on-topic : terrorism will never end, doesn't matter what anyone does.
I had plan to make my own terrorist organization and it's still possible, no one can stop it, soon it will be something like Deus Ex world - everyone bombs a building for some reason...

 

[LoneDeranger]

Yeah I agree that some of the terrorism would go away if America withdrew it's soldiers from the Middle East.

But that would create something even worse than terrorism - defeat.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

You americans....
Well out here at good jolly old Europe we aren't worried about terrorism. Do you want to know why?
check my avatar real close.

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Back on-topic : terrorism will never end, doesn't matter what anyone does.
I had plan to make my own terrorist organization and it's still possible, no one can stop it, soon it will be something like Deus Ex world - everyone bombs a building for some reason...

Who said all Americans are worried about terrorism? There's a difference between realization, and anxiety. I live and love my life, but that doesn't cahnge the fact that there will be more attacks. Hell, it seems like people forgot how old terrorism is. In '93 the WTC was bombed. I can mention some other terrorists attacks that happenned before 9/11.
Kanya, Tanzania, Lebanon, Oklahoma City, Iran, and many others.

LD: I disagree to a point. I think the number would decrease, but the magnitude would multiply. They would see it as a sign of weakness(Like you said, defeat), and plot far worse attacks. Remember, we weren't in any conflicts when 9/11 took place.

 

[Cerberus]

This was from a mod thread, but I figured we might as well talk about here, not in the mod thread.

That comment was one of the most ignorant comments anyone could make.

Since when is it an admins job to punish people who don't have the same beliefs. I also find it discouraging that another member of another mod would be so condenscending towards one of the members of my team. It seems very dangerous in my opinion to give mod members admin status on what should be a 'neutral' forum. People may say dumb shit, but I don't create a new thread to say "look how stupid this guy is, hahahah." Your an admin, you should be holding yourself to a higher standard.

Most terrorism in the world isn't directed towards Americans. A large majority of Terrorism is directed agaisnt Israel, which the US isn't causeing.

SO the 3 BILLION we send them every year in military aid, that doesn't count? We can send them tanks and subs and guns, and they can kill with the weapons we give them but we're not responsible for what they do? So if I give a known murder a gun, and they shoot people, I'm not responsible? WTF.

I like israel more then palistine, at least the israeli don't blow up buses but NEITHER side is innocent. And the anger of our continued support of israel is what has set the entire muslim world population against united states. But isreal still does some WRONG things, like jail without jury, forced relocation of the palestine people, and targeted assasinations that cause alot of innocent civilians to be killed. You want to kill someone? Use a gun, not a missle fired into a car which is in a crowded market.

Now was I outraged by 911? Yes. In that moment of anger, had I had the ability, I would have given a 48 hour warning before mecca became radioactive glass. BUT, I respect ichis RIGHT to have a different opinion and I will not point out his opinion and declare it the dumbest thing ever said in the history of man.

And I agree with ichis statement that there are too many anti-terrorist mods. Too many clones, too little originality, too many different models of the same ak47 over and over and over. The success of Natural Selection should be a sign to us modders that the public wants more to do then just play an updated version of cops and robbers.

And one last thing, us americans have a VERY skewed view of the world. The rest of the world does not see the american, they see the american corporations. And let me tell you, our corporations are greedy, huge, powerful, and very very arrogant. Its no surpise much of the world dislikes the USA, and what sympathy we had for 911 has been squandered in the idiotic war in iraq.

 

[The Mullinator]

ummm he never punished IchI at all. He is entitled to his own beliefs and he is simply using what IchI said as an example of what he believes is wrong. Just because he is a mod doesn't mean he must always stay neutral.

Calm down.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

I guess it was kind of insensitive to say that, but this thread is rather silly, is it just to spite ichy ... i mean you cant just pull context out of what mods say like people do with celebritys.. I feel the same way 9/11 dont seem so big when you consider all the lives taken everwere because of things americans did or have helped cause just be lucky he didnt say "they had it comeing" or "its about time"

"im eating a baby" (ex)

"im eating a baby cock roach" (ex reply)

here that kiddies THIS GUY EATS BABIES THAT SICKO!!!!!!!11111oneoneoneone

next time on fox...

 

[The Mullinator]

It is extremelly rare for 3000 people to die all at once, due to violence, in the most powerful country in the world, without warning.

911 has completely changed the world, that is plainly obvious. Just sit down and think about what it has done and then tell yourself again that it wasn't such a big thing.

 

[Mr.Reak]

It is extremelly rare for 30000 people to die all at once, due to violence, in the most powerful country in the world, without warning.

911 has completely changed the world, that is plainly obvious. Just sit down and think about what it has done and then tell yourself again that it wasn't such a big thing.

30000 people, what are you talking about?

 

[The Mullinator]

sorry 3000.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

thats the point of my above post... did america have it comeing?

sorry nobody deserves death, but it happens usually for a reason

 

[The Mullinator]

Another question could be whether Japan had it comming at the end of WWII?

There is no right answer, no universal answer for it.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

good question, :smoking: bad phrase "had it coming"

nobody has it comeing I resent using that another word is.. help me?

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Another question could be whether Japan had it comming at the end of WWII?

There is no right answer, no universal answer for it.

we killed 340,000 people in japan (after radiation and injury deaths)... 9/11 they killed 3000

people still have genetic defects from the poisoning.. Japan will never truly recover

9/11 = big, nukeing of japan = tank

not to start a political flamewar, but the way america reacts is really extremist... we have already invaded 2 countries post 9/11 (now evidence surfaceing on bush planning it way before) did he use it to justify his invasion??

 

[SidewinderX]

Since when is it an admins job to punish people who don't have the same beliefs. I also find it discouraging that another member of another mod would be so condenscending towards one of the members of my team. It seems very dangerous in my opinion to give mod members admin status on what should be a 'neutral' forum. People may say dumb shit, but I don't create a new thread to say "look how stupid this guy is, hahahah." Your an admin, you should be holding yourself to a higher standard.

I don't think That I'm punishing IchI in anyway. Like it was already said, there is a difference between ignorant and stupid. I said that IchI's comment was ignorant. Not stupid. I don't know where you brought up the Mod (as in for games) thing. This comment was in another thread about someone's mod design, and, instead of hijacking that thread, I copy+pasted his comment to this thread. I never said IchI was stupid in any way. Also, the part about too many anti-terrorism mods wasn't what the threadwas about, I jsut left that in there, as it was part of the quote.

SO the 3 BILLION we send them every year in military aid, that doesn't count? We can send them tanks and subs and guns, and they can kill with the weapons we give them but we're not responsible for what they do? So if I give a known murder a gun, and they shoot people, I'm not responsible? WTF.

The reason behind the terrorist attacks is that a) the Palestinians want a homeland, b) they hate the idea of a Jewish homeland, and c) many of them are jsut plain Anti-Semites. Yes, perhaps the US aid escalates the impact of these attacks, but you can't be so naive as to think that removing our aid will stop the attacks.

I like israel more then palistine, at least the israeli don't blow up buses but NEITHER side is innocent. And the anger of our continued support of israel is what has set the entire muslim world population against united states. But isreal still does some WRONG things, like jail without jury, forced relocation of the palestine people, and targeted assasinations that cause alot of innocent civilians to be killed. You want to kill someone? Use a gun, not a missle fired into a car which is in a crowded market.

I don't wish to get into this argument but....
yes, Isreal has done some things wrong. BUT They need to do many of these things to survive. How many other nations in the world are completley surrounded by enemies that have simultaniously invaded 3 times in 60 years? Isreal can't be as open and liberal as America, simpley for thier existence.

Now was I outraged by 911? Yes. In that moment of anger, had I had the ability, I would have given a 48 hour warning before mecca became radioactive glass. BUT, I respect ichis RIGHT to have a different opinion and I will not point out his opinion and declare it the dumbest thing ever said in the history of man.

Why do you continue to exagerate my comment? I said he made an ignorant comment, in no way impling that is was the dumbest thing said in the history of man.

Also, I respect a person's opinion, as long as it's based on all the facts. IchI's comment was ignorant in nature. He was trying to stat a fact (incorrectly), not speaking of his personal opinion on the matter. If he had said "a lot of terrorism would end" That would be an opinion, abit one i'd disagree with, but an opinion.

And I agree with ichis statement that there are too many anti-terrorist mods. Too many clones, too little originality, too many different models of the same ak47 over and over and over. The success of Natural Selection should be a sign to us modders that the public wants more to do then just play an updated version of cops and robbers.

This was definatly not the topic of the thread.

And one last thing, us americans have a VERY skewed view of the world. The rest of the world does not see the american, they see the american corporations. And let me tell you, our corporations are greedy, huge, powerful, and very very arrogant. Its no surpise much of the world dislikes the USA, and what sympathy we had for 911 has been squandered in the idiotic war in iraq.

'm not gonna start a whole debate about this, but this comment is slightly ignorant as well. The whole world doesn't dislike america. Most countires may have some level of resentment, and they may disagree with many of our policies, but they don't all dislike us. More and more nations are helping in Iraq, etc.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

I take it back the post above this ^^ ^^ that shtuff = tank

 

[SidewinderX]

What does "= tank" mean?

 

[crabcakes66]

Im not touching this thread witha 10' pole...

 

[waedoe]

[SidewinderX Edit v.8d] Lets tray and not call people names, shall we. Consider yourself warned.

 

[Neutrino]

Though I may not agree with the views IchI expressed, I think it was in bad taste to single out his statement to try and make your own point. I think it would be entirely possible to express your own opinion and start a discussion on it without bashing someone else's view and telling them they are ignorant in some sort of attempt to give merit to your own opinions.

That's my opinion, please don't start a thread about it.

 

[waedoe]

Though I may not agree with the views IchI expressed, I think it was in bad taste to single out his statement to try and make your own point. I think it would be entirely possible to express your own opinion and start a discussion on it without bashing someone else's view and telling them they are ignorant to state your own opinion on the matter.

then start it up neutrino. (SidewinderX Edit v.9e) Waedoe, that was also childish. Watch yourself....

 

[Neutrino]

Start "what" up?

 

[waedoe]

Start "what" up?

the thread your talking about.

 

[Neutrino]

the thread your talking about.

Why? SidewinderX143 is the one who wanted to talk about it, not me. Though of course it is a very interesting topic that does deserve discussion.

 

[fizzlephox]

Waedo why don't you start a thread and actually post some kind of an informative opinion that doesn't involve calling a person some kind of offensive name?

Edit: Your post has been edited. It seems like you've also obtained some kind of a warning for your 'style'. So I guess you might want to change it.

 

[waedoe]

Waedo why don't you start a thread and actually post some kind of an informative opinion that doesn't involve calling a person some kind of offensive name?

because thats not my style.

 

[The Dark Elf]

because thats not my style.

In that case please go elsewhere. This forum does not exist for you to throw personal insults at others.

If you continue this behavior you will be banned, you've already been warned about it and we do not tolerate this kind of thing. There's no call for it and if you can't make productive posts then there is no reason for you to be here.

 

[dfc05]

I live in Texas. Over here kids just recently started to pledge allegiance to Texas first and then the U.S. second. No, really, they say the Texas Pledge (short and uninspired) first and then after that they say the good ol American Pledge (actually has a history behind it and isn't short and uninspired).

The Texas pledge truly moves me. Here it is.

"Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one and indivisible."

Yup, Texas is "indivisible". I mean, the American Pledge says that because of the civil war and the states are still united together and everything. The Texas pledge says that because...well it just says things.

Oh, wow, another kid in Texas. In my school we actually say it after the American Pledge . The Texas pledge is so meaningless and such a waste of time (well maybe not--it takes about 10 seconds of dull recitation). Nobody says it in my class... people who actually say it in other classes basically say it to the wall or the chalkboard or something since we don't have Texas flags up or anything like that. Before this year nobody even knew a "Texas pledge" ever existed. Makes you wonder if they just made up some stupid junk and then said "hey, let's make those kids in school recite this, haha, hahaha."