The averege American mindset on "Iraqi Freedom"

[evil^milk]

To you guys living in the US: What does the average Joe around you think about Iraqi Massacre going on? What are their opinions on Bush? The censorship of the media? What do they think was the real cause of 9/11?

Why are people so reluctant to impeach Bush, and what are people doing about it? What are the steps being taken to make Uh-Merica a better nation than it is today?

If you can ask these questions to your family, friends, classmates, and/or co-workers, it'd be greatly appreciated.

 

[Nemesis6]

The answer to all the questions you posed: "Eh?"

 

[delusional]

The average American is too preoccupied with sports, TV, movies, and celebrities to do anything about the government.

 

[Raziaar]

I'm pissed off that my family still supports bush. I wish there was something I could do to change their mind, but they're so stubborn.

I mean, I know they're conservative and all, and I was too... but damn, how can they support this clown anymore?

 

[Mr-Fusion]

The average American is too preoccupied with sports, TV, movies, and celebrities to do anything about the government.

Then when another attack happens on U.S soil all we hear the "why do they hate us" routine.

Not much point trying to convince many Americans anymore.

A democratic goverment will be no better btw. The government is ruled by the military industrial complex!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111one

 

[CptStern]

foreign policy hasnt really changed regardless of who is in office, from Kennedy to Clinton to Nixon to ford

 

[evil^milk]

This site seems to sum up my questions.

(Thanks for replies though )

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way Bush is handling the situation in Iraq?"

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Approve - 30% Disapprove - 68% Unsure - 1%


9/27-30/07

"All in all, considering the costs to the United States versus the benefits to the United States, do you think the war with Iraq was worth fighting, or not?"

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Worth It - 38% Not Worth It - 59 Unsure - 3%

9/27-30/07

About 35% of America is still retarded.

 

[Escaep]

To you guys living in the US: What does the average Joe around you think about Iraqi Massacre going on? What are their opinions on Bush? The censorship of the media? What do they think was the real cause of 9/11?

Why are people so reluctant to impeach Bush, and what are people doing about it? What are the steps being taken to make Uh-Merica a better nation than it is today?

If you can ask these questions to your family, friends, classmates, and/or co-workers, it'd be greatly appreciated.

"Iraqi Massacre?" Show me a massacre.

Most people dont like Bush because of the way he handles our country.

We still believe Al-Qaeda is responsible for 9/11. There are always conspiracy theories about everything.

And, please respect our country and call it "America" instead of Uh-America. Thanks. We dont demean your country do we?

And there are really no grounds to impeach Bush.

 

[Gunner]

And there are really no grounds to impeach Bush.

I beg to differ.

 

[Escaep]

I beg to differ.

Please elaborate.

 

[99.vikram]

Please elaborate.

The man waged war on two sovereign nations. Both were ruled by very evil people, no doubt, but instead of a revolution for freedom (that is internal) Bush gave them a war that flattened their countries and economies.

 

[Absinthe]

Not to mention his advocacy and protection of torture camps holding people without trial.

Oh, and did I forget his lawless, domestic wiretapping program? That was fun too.

 

[Tyguy]

To you guys living in the US: What does the average Joe around you think about Iraqi Massacre going on? What are their opinions on Bush? The censorship of the media? What do they think was the real cause of 9/11?

Why are people so reluctant to impeach Bush, and what are people doing about it? What are the steps being taken to make Uh-Merica a better nation than it is today?

If you can ask these questions to your family, friends, classmates, and/or co-workers, it'd be greatly appreciated.

Hard to answer, i know personally im against the war, but i know some who are for it, not sure why. The real cause of 911? Terriwrists?

Impeaching Bush isnt going to happen. Theres every reason to do it, but realistically, whats the point when yuo know its destined to be a long drawn out process that results in no change. 2008!

 

[Escaep]

The man waged war on two sovereign nations. Both were ruled by very evil people, no doubt, but instead of a revolution for freedom (that is internal) Bush gave them a war that flattened their countries and economies.

Ok, so we waged war. Then why hasnt every president that waged war been impeached? You cant expect instant results and instant success in a war torn country.

Not to mention his advocacy and protection of torture camps holding people without trial.

Oh, and did I forget his lawless, domestic wiretapping program? That was fun too.

I dont know what to say about the so called "torture camps," i dont know alot about them.

Regarding the wiretapping:
Wikipedia:

the NSA is authorized by executive order to monitor phone calls and other communication originating from parties outside the U.S. with known or suspected links to al Qaeda, even if the terminus of that communication lies within the U.S. Shortly before passing a new law in August of 2007 that legalized warrantless surveillance,

Article II, Section 4, states: “The President, Vice President, and all civil Officers of the United States shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”

 

[Gunner]

Please elaborate.

Why, what's the point? you clearly don't think he should be impeached, and I don't think I can convince you of otherwise so let's just leave it at that. I think he should be impeached, you don't, that's it.

 

[hydrometeor]

Why should Americans care about the massacre of Iraqis? Americans should only care about the massacre of Americans.

 

[JFry]

Why should Americans care about the massacre of Iraqis? Americans should only care about the massacre of Americans.

I can't quite understand that frame of mind. Because we were born on this chunk of dirt instead of that one we are somehow valued more? I think we should learn from the past but never let it interfere with our ability to lead our own lives. Unfortunately, we often do neither of those and it causes lots of problems.

I think the whole situation in Iraq is retarded and all because of the US. The whole thing is surrounded by scandilous crap like the prisons and getting oil. Gimme a break the entire country is getting ripped off before our eyes and we're sitting back and taking it.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Why should Americans care about the massacre of Iraqis? Americans should only care about the massacre of Americans.

I don't think I have ever heard a more selfish and inhumane comment from anybody on here. I hope you know your a jerk for believing you are more important than anyone else, and its idiots like you that prevent peace.
What a ****.

 

[Escaep]

Why, what's the point? you clearly don't think he should be impeached, and I don't think I can convince you of otherwise so let's just leave it at that. I think he should be impeached, you don't, that's it.

Im not here to be convinced on whether or not Bush should be impeached. I am just curious to hear why you think he should.

 

[CptStern]

Why should Americans care about the massacre of Iraqis? Americans should only care about the massacre of Americans.

probably because you are the cause directly or indirectly of every single death in iraq ..as occupier it is your duty (international laws that you (the US) signed) to provide peace and security to the lands you occupy

Im not here to be convinced on whether or not Bush should be impeached. I am just curious to hear why you think he should.

lying to congress is an impeachable offense ...hey if it was good enough for Clinton ...and the only person he hurt was hilary ..Georgie has 600,000 dead iraqis under his belt ..tar and feathering and running out of office would be too soft

 

[B.Calhoun]

Why should Americans care about the massacre of Iraqis? Americans should only care about the massacre of Americans.

yea thats why america has been involved in numerous relief efforts giving billions of dollars to people around the world throughout history

 

[No Limit]

lying to congress is an impeachable offense ...hey if it was good enough for Clinton ...and the only person he hurt was hilary ..Georgie has 600,000 dead iraqis under his belt ..tar and feathering and running out of office would be too soft

The actual letter he lied to congress in:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-1.html

March 18, 2003

Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President: )

Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that:

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will neither (A) adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq nor (B) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

Sincerely,

GEORGE W. BUSH

See, they never tied Saddam to 9/11. Not once. :angel:

 

[CptStern]

lol, that's pretty stupid of them without having even a shred of evidence ...thanks for the link

 

[K e r b e r o s]

The average American is too preoccupied with sports, TV, movies, and celebrities to do anything about the government.

No, the average American is too preoccupied with an oversea's popularity contest to feasibly do anything effective. Our congress is powerless, where powerless because of Congressional powers, and Bush is above it all.

Although, they're are those who are apathetic.

 

[Escaep]

Mr. Stern, i take you dont live in America. Mind i ask what country you live in?

 

[Acepilotf14]

The Iraq war is getting to the stage where people are not afraid to make fun of it anymore. The new games, TV episodes, and movies are starting to go into the Iraq war, where it used to be slapped many times for even thinking about it.
Plus: [Joke on Scrubs]
"I'm at the part where George Bush says 'Mission Accomplished', but theres still like 400 more pages to go!"
Ah, hilarity.

 

[CptStern]

Mr. Stern, i take you dont live in America. Mind i ask what country you live in?

and that matters because?

surely there are more interesting things to discuss besides my nationality? ..so what did you think about the video?

 

[Escaep]

and that matters because?

surely there are more interesting things to discuss besides my nationality? ..so what did you think about the video?

Just curious to see as to what country to live in since you seem to have such a strong hatred of the United States.

Regarding the video and my view. Well, the title says it all "Powell and Rice assure everyone Iraq is NO THREAT pre-9/11"

After 9/11, we took a more serious look at the middle east and saddams prior actions
and we felt that for the security of our nation and the worlds we took action to eliminate his regime from power.

 

[CptStern]

Just curious to see as to what country to live in since you seem to have such a strong hatred of the United States.

yes because with 90 posts to your name you'd know exactly how I feel, have we met? I'm Stern, pleased to meet you

Regarding the video and my view. Well, the title says it all "Powell and Rice assure everyone Iraq is NO THREAT

you did watch the video, right?

pre-9/11

After 9/11, we took a more serious look at the middle east and saddams prior actions

so in a few short months you went from "Saddam poses no threat, has NO WMD, we have him completely contained" to "OMG HE'S GONNA KILL AMERICA WITH THE WMD AND THE GNARLEY CHEMICALS AND THE HEY HEY!!!11"

oh and you didnt seem all that concerned of saddam's prior actions, in fact you actively took part in them, with much gusto I might add

and we felt that for the security of our nation

nope, that was a lie: Saddam was no threat, watch the video

and the worlds

no, that was a lie:

minutes from a meeting between Bush and Blair in 2002, months before the invasion:

Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy

.......

It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran.

http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/memos.html

in fact they actively looked for a way force saddam's hand thereby justifying an invasion:

We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force.

........

The Attorney-General said that the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action. There were three possible legal bases: self-defence, humanitarian intervention, or UNSC authorisation. The first and second could not be the base in this case. Relying on UNSCR 1205 of three years ago would be difficult. The situation might of course change.

they attempted to back saddam into a corner

The Prime Minister said that it would make a big difference politically and legally if Saddam refused to allow in the UN inspectors. Regime change and WMD were linked in the sense that it was the regime that was producing the WMD. There were different strategies for dealing with Libya and Iran. If the political context were right, people would support regime change. The two key issues were whether the military plan worked and whether we had the political strategy to give the military plan the space to work.

we took action to eliminate his regime from power.

the bush admin lied and manipulated it's way into iraq under false pretenses, the war was illegal..there were no wmd, your inspectors had been saying that as early as 1992, again in 94, 98 and 2002

 

[No Limit]

Just curious to see as to what country to live in since you seem to have such a strong hatred of the United States.

Regarding the video and my view. Well, the title says it all "Powell and Rice assure everyone Iraq is NO THREAT pre-9/11"

After 9/11, we took a more serious look at the middle east and saddams prior actions
and we felt that for the security of our nation and the worlds we took action to eliminate his regime from power.

Oh boy. This is going to be good. :naughty:

 

[Tyguy]

Just curious to see as to what country to live in since you seem to have such a strong hatred of the United States.

Regarding the video and my view. Well, the title says it all "Powell and Rice assure everyone Iraq is NO THREAT pre-9/11"

After 9/11, we took a more serious look at the middle east and saddams prior actions
and we felt that for the security of our nation and the worlds we took action to eliminate his regime from power.

I feel like most people still think that the war on terror has anything to do with iraq. We arent being shot at by terrorists, we are being shot at by insurgents.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Yes, they are insurgents -- fighters for an illegitimate cause.

 

[Escaep]

I feel like most people still think that the war on terror has anything to do with iraq. We arent being shot at by terrorists, we are being shot at by insurgents.

So Al-Qaeda in Iraq is a fallacy?

 

[No Limit]

So Al-Qaeda in Iraq is a fallacy?

Pretty much.

I like how you don't respond to posts that proved your previous claims wrong. Its like they never happened, I wish I had selective hearing.

 

[Escaep]

Pretty much.

I like how you don't respond to posts that proved your previous claims wrong. Its like they never happened, I wish I had selective hearing.

If you would wait just a minute, i am getting to it. I had an answer for Tyguy's post on hand.

So, how is Al Qaeda in Iraq fake?

 

[No Limit]

If you would wait just a minute, i am getting to it. I had an answer for Tyguy's post on hand.

So, how is Al Qaeda in Iraq fake?

Well for starters they themselves, as your government confirmed, have absolutely no connection to the al queda that attacked us on 9/11. So why call themselves al queda? Its almost as if somebody is trying to make the Iraq-al queda connection again...maybe you should spend a couple mintues to think about that one.

In addition "al queda in Iraq" is responsible for something like 3% of the total attacks that take place there. Now please, don't let me slow you down. I'd like you to get to stern's posts.

 

[Escaep]

yes because with 90 posts to your name you'd know exactly how I feel, have we met? I'm Stern, pleased to meet you

Well, having seem some of your recent thread titles regarding your views on America i decided to find all threads created by you.

Bush: 'World War III' possible if Iran goes nuclear

Blackwater Mercenary shooting spree leaves 17 dead

US Navy = Nazis!!!

US Military to underage kids: "Would you like some candy?"

Top 10 money making companies in Iraq

Nukes over America

the US to invade the United Nations?

Marine ordered to execute Haditha women and children

US embassy in Bagdhad: buit in part by forced labour/kidnapped workers

US officer to Marines: "crank up the violence"

Man arrested for humping American Flag

Fascist America, in 10 easy steps

US soldier sentenced to 100 yrs for rape/murder

Soldier sentenced to 90 yrs for iraqi rape/murder

Secret Service investigates 14 year old for writing "Kill Bush" on Myspace

Bush still using 9/11 to justify invasion of iraq

Iraq: hell on earth

So as you may expect, it didnt take long for me to form an opinion.

Nice to meet you Mr. Stern, I am Mr. Escape. How was your day?

 

[No Limit]

Man, I'm so glad you are here. Its been a while since we had a Bushbot around here. This will be fun, lets see how long you last.

 

[Escaep]

yes because with 90 posts to your name you'd know exactly how I feel, have we met? I'm Stern, pleased to meet you

you did watch the video, right?

I think that is implied since i responded.

so in a few short months you went from "Saddam poses no threat, has NO WMD, we have him completely contained" to "OMG HE'S GONNA KILL AMERICA WITH THE WMD AND THE GNARLEY CHEMICALS AND THE HEY HEY!!!11"

Well, 9/11 was an eye opener for all of the world, well our country at least. I am just curious as to after 9/11 when we started sending U.N. Weapons inspectors to Saddams country, that he became all "wishy washy" and started denying UN inspectors access to his country. Must be as if he had something to hide. And after 9/11 i believe we realized that there was a possibility that Saddam could be payed off by Al-Qaeda in exchange for a nuclear program and nuclear weapons/technology.

That is what i believe could be developing in Iran. Ahmadinejad has probably been contacted by Al Qaeda due to his pronounced hatred of the United States and offered Iran money in exchange for the development of nuclear weapons. Certainly not far fetched. Because Iran is wealthy and has enough organization and technology to develop a nuclear weapon. But, that is my personal theory. As i believe Ahmadinejad and OBL would love to see a nuke hit the USA.

oh and you didnt seem all that concerned of saddam's prior actions, in fact you actively took part in them, with much gusto I might add

We supported him because of his invasion of Iran. And, correct me please if i am wrong, but didnt Iran kidnap US citizens in their country and refused to release them until Reagan was elected? If you ask me, kidnapping of citizens, students might i add, does not lead to very good diplomatic relations between two countrys. Which may be why the US supported Iraq during its invasion of Iran.

I havent read that whole article but basically what i pulled from it was that the US supported Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war. And i also pulled out that Iraq used chemical weapons against Iranian troops and Kurdish insurgents. If this is what you are hinting at by "Saddams prior actions" then i dont see why using chemical weapons during warfare is a big deal. Happened in WW1.

But, again, please tell me what you are trying to say with that article if i am incorrect. Phew, my hands hurt.

nope, that was a lie: Saddam was no threat, watch the video



no, that was a lie:

minutes from a meeting between Bush and Blair in 2002, months before the invasion:




http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/memos.html

in fact they actively looked for a way force saddam's hand thereby justifying an invasion:



they attempted to back saddam into a corner






the bush admin lied and manipulated it's way into iraq under false pretenses, the war was illegal..there were no wmd, your inspectors had been saying that as early as 1992, again in 94, 98 and 2002

All i have for now but i will adress your other topics after i get home from school. yes, i said it, school. high school might i add.

 

[Escaep]

Man, I'm so glad you are here. Its been a while since we had a Bushbot around here. This will be fun, lets see how long you last.

I just hate seeing everyone put down the United States constantly. I love my country and dont like to see it be put down. i understand people have their views, and i respect them, but when its constantly on the forums, it kinda grinds my gears after a while. Just seems everyone looks for someone else to blame so they turn to America.