The averege American mindset on "Iraqi Freedom"

[CptStern]

Well, having seem some of your recent thread titles regarding your views on America i decided to find all threads created by you.

you read beyond the thread titles right?

here let me help you:

Bush: 'World War III' possible if Iran goes nuclear

well he did say that so ...true

Blackwater Mercenary shooting spree leaves 17 dead

again, true they did kill civilians

US Navy = Nazis!!!

yes their building is nazi shaped ..so again .........true

US Military to underage kids: "Would you like some candy?"

ya well Halo 3 is like candy ...so ....true

Top 10 money making companies in Iraq

well they are making money, so true

Nukes over America

ya there were indeed nuclear weapons on airplanes flying over the US ..so true

the US to invade the United Nations?

by the justification used in iraq, yes they should (which would be odd seeing as how UN headquaters is in New York) ...so true again

Marine ordered to execute Haditha women and children

again true, the soldier in question alledges commanding officer ordered him to execute civilians

US embassy in Bagdhad: buit in part by forced labour/kidnapped workers

also true, contractors were shipping labourers to iraq without their consent

US officer to Marines: "crank up the violence"

true, those words were alledgedly said

Man arrested for humping American Flag

ya that was a little strange but also true, I'm sure there's an arrest warrent somewhere on the interwebs

Fascist America, in 10 easy steps

true, that was the title of the article I linked to

US soldier sentenced to 100 yrs for rape/murder

true, he was sentenced to 100 yrs ..I'm sure i'll come down into the single digits realm upon appeal

Soldier sentenced to 90 yrs for iraqi rape/murder

same as above only with 10 years less

Secret Service investigates 14 year old for writing "Kill Bush" on Myspace

ya well it happened

Bush still using 9/11 to justify invasion of iraq

ok, this is nothing new, you got me there, he still uses that proven-to-be-a-lie bit of misinformation

Iraq: hell on earth

I've never been to hell but I'd imagine it would be something like Iraq ..only with less muslims and more christians

So as you may expect, it didnt take long for me to form an opinion.

...that I post stories on true events? ....ok I fail to see your point

Nice to meet you Mr. Stern, I am Mr. Escape. How was your day?

pretty good, I've wtfpwned on 2 americans, 1 hispanic and a brit masquerading as a frenchman


if you have a point please get to it, attention spans are notoriously short on the internets

 

[No Limit]

I just hate seeing everyone put down the United States constantly. I love my country and dont like to see it be put down. i understand people have their views, and i respect them, but when its constantly on the forums, it kinda grinds my gears after a while. Just seems everyone looks for someone else to blame so they turn to America.

It sounds like you were brainwashed, probably by relatives (father maybe)?

Stick around, you have a lot to learn. This has nothing to do with hating america, I am from here and I agree with 99% of what stern has to say. When you realize that people are needlessly dying in your name because people running your government are total ****tards you tend to see the world a little differently. And I'll apologize now for when in the future I seem like a total asshole, it happens when I start getting inpatient. Back to it.

You made plently of factual mistakes in your response to Stern, I suggest you do some homework before you reply again. We've been sending weapon inspectors to Iraq since the first gulf war, and Saddam stopped allowing them in after 1998 when our own spies started infeltrating the inspector network. It has nothing to do with 9/11. So the question remains, why did this administration's position change so drastically in just a few short months?

 

[CptStern]

I'll get to the rest of OTEFarscape's post later on when I have time/interest

I am from here and I agree with 99% of what stern has to say.

the remaining 1% represents my opinions on video games right?

 

[No Limit]

the remaining 1% represents my opinions on video games right?

Well, your taste in video games remind me of what my father plays. :cheese:

Plus I don't think we fully agree on that whole gun control issue. Other than that I can't think of anything else at the time.

I will say this, go easy on the kid. Maybe he will learn something. They usually aren't too hard headed at that age, reminds me of me at that young, innocent, and naive age.

 

[CptStern]

Well, your taste in video games remind me of what my father plays. :cheese:

ouch, /me staggers from the brutal blow to the midsection

Plus I don't think we fully agree on that whole gun control issue. Other than that I can't think of anything else at the time.

I see ..secretly you admire/want to be Chuck Heston .. /me runs

I will say this, go easy on the kid. Maybe he will learn something. They usually aren't too hard headed at that age, reminds me of me at that young, innocent, and naive age.

I'm surprised there's still people left who havent changed their stance since before the war ..even the staunchest among them usually agree iraq was a lie or at least acknowledge that the truth was slightly bent to justify invasion

 

[No Limit]

ouch, /me staggers from the brutal blow to the midsection

Don't get mad, I think its pretty damn cool that I can call up my dad and we can get online to play a video game. Not a lot of people can say that .

I see ..secretly you admire/want to be Chuck Heston .. /me runs

Talk about hitting below the belt. Easy now.

I'm surprised there's still people left who havent changed their stance since before the war ..even the staunchest among them usually agree iraq was a lie or at least acknowledge that the truth was slightly bent to justify invasion

It doesn't suprise me at all. I run in to them in this country all the time. These are the people that watch Fox News exclusively, listen to Rush at work, and spend all their life blaming the liberals for all their problems. I am seeing less and less of this as time goes on but I still run into it on a regular basis, and I live in a fairly liberal part of the country.

 

[Escaep]

you read beyond the thread titles right?

its just that looking through i see loads of threads geared towards your denouncing of the united states. do those kinds of threads really deserve a topic on their own?

 

[Escaep]

It sounds like you were brainwashed, probably by relatives (father maybe)?

Stick around, you have a lot to learn. This has nothing to do with hating america, I am from here and I agree with 99% of what stern has to say. When you realize that people are needlessly dying in your name because people running your government are total ****tards you tend to see the world a little differently. And I'll apologize now for when in the future I seem like a total asshole, it happens when I start getting inpatient. Back to it.

You made plently of factual mistakes in your response to Stern, I suggest you do some homework before you reply again. We've been sending weapon inspectors to Iraq since the first gulf war, and Saddam stopped allowing them in after 1998 when our own spies started infeltrating the inspector network. It has nothing to do with 9/11. So the question remains, why did this administration's position change so drastically in just a few short months?

I dont quite understand what you mean by "brainwashed."

 

[No Limit]

I dont quite understand what you mean by "brainwashed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing

 

[CptStern]

Don't get mad, I think its pretty damn cool that I can call up my dad and we can get online to play a video game. Not a lot of people can say that .

ya, some of my favourites: Canasta, Shuffle board, Yahtzee, Bridge and if my arthritis doesnt flare up; lawn bowling

actually cant wait to be that video game playing dad to my kids ..which I have but in a very limited way ..the wife wont let us shoot each other in halo yet ;(

It doesn't suprise me at all. I run in to them in this country all the time. These are the people that watch Fox News exclusively, listen to Rush at work,

hey I love Rush at work

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2C52wsxuZT0]

and spend all their life blaming the liberals for all their problems.

umm excuse me but I think that's pronounced "LIEberals" ..they hate america just like the terrorists do

I am seeing less and less of this as time goes on but I still run into it on a regular basis, and I live in a fairly liberal part of the country.

when questioned do they look like a deer caught in the headlights? if so, do you ever feel like shooting them and mounting thier heads on your living room wall?

 

[Escaep]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing

Dont act like a jerk. I know what brainwashing is. Obviously you did comprehend what i said. I asked what you mean by i am being "brainwashed"

 

[No Limit]

when questioned do they look like a deer caught in the headlights? if so, do you ever feel like shooting them and mounting thier heads on your living room wall?

I would love to put their head next to all my Charles Heston posters but usually I try to keep cool. Honestly most of the time I try to avoid them. Starting a conversation with them is like starting a conversation with nemesis, you aren't going to get anywhere any time soon.

 

[No Limit]

Dont act like a jerk. I know what brainwashing is. Obviously you did comprehend what i said. I asked what you mean by i am being "brainwashed"

As much as I would love to spend the next 3 pages talking about the reasons you are brainwashed how about we stick to the point? There are still a lot of things you left unchallanged. I know stern said he would get back to you but I already went through one "fact" you got totally wrong in regards to the weapon inspectors. So please, do go on.

 

[CptStern]

I would love to put their head next to all my Charles Heston posters but usually I try to keep cool. Honestly most of the time I try to avoid them. Starting a conversation with them is like starting a conversation with nemesis, you aren't going to get anywhere any time soon.

ah I see, glazed over eyes, vacuous expressionless faces, a bandage covering what looks like a lobotomy scar ..ya I've seen that look, but they usually ask me to accept Jesus

 

[Escaep]

As much as I would love to spend the next 3 pages talking about the reasons you are brainwashed how about we stick to the point? There are still a lot of things you left unchallanged. I know stern said he would get back to you but I already went through one "fact" you got totally wrong in regards to the weapon inspectors. So please, do go on.

Instead of 3 pages give me three-one sentence points.

 

[DEATH eVADER]

Oh, and did I forget his lawless, domestic wiretapping program? That was fun too.

So where you having phone-sex before or after you mentioned the word Bomb?

All of a sudden you had a three-way conversation between you, your girlfriend, and the horny FBI agent on the other end

 

[No Limit]

Instead of 3 pages give me three-one sentence points.

Will you continue the discussion if I do this? I'll take that as a yes. Here are your 3 points.

• You said there were no grounds to impeach Bush. I posted a letter where he lied to congress. Lying to congress is an impeachable offesne. You didn't respond to that.
• Instead of responding to what stern said the best you could do was say that he is anti-american. So what, thats like calling the sky blue. He still makes a valid point.
• You don't seem to understand that Al Queda In Iraq is not the real name of that organization, it is a name made up by our own media. This group, responsible for about 3% of the attacks in Iraq, has abolsutely no direct connection to Al Qaeda.
• I'll give you one more for shits and giggles. You talked about the Iraq weapon inspectors as if you knew what the hell you were talking about. Yet you have absolutely no idea as to what you are talking about as you have absolutely no understanding of when, where, and how those inspections took place and when they were ended. This is typical of a brainwashed person.

So are you going to address the other points or are you like every other Bush bot out there that pretends they were never made? Are you familiar with that saying "arrogance is bliss"?

 

[Escaep]

Will you continue the discussion if I do this? I'll take that as a yes. Here are your 3 points.

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  [*]You said there were no grounds to impeach Bush. I posted a letter where he lied to congress. Lying to congress is an impeachable offesne. You didn't respond to that.

  
  If that were true, well, shouldnt say "true", but if it was an issue i would think he would be impeached right now am i right?
  
  

  [*]Instead of responding to what stern said the best you could do was say that he is anti-american. So what, thats like calling the sky blue. He still makes a valid point.

  
  Looking back, it seems i have responded to Stern. Correct me if i havent addressed everything. And i addressed his issue towards to the USA to gain insight on to his opinions. After i responded to him, i could see where his motives were coming from.
  
  

  [*]You don't seem to understand that Al Queda In Iraq is not the real name of that organization, it is a name made up by our own media. This group, responsible for about 3% of the attacks in Iraq, has abolsutely no direct connection to Al Qaeda.

  
  Your right, they may be responsible for about 3%. But, they are arming Sunni militias. Which, in turn, attack US Troops and Shiites.
  
  

  [*]I'll give you one more for shits and giggles. You talked about the Iraq weapon inspectors as if you knew what the hell you were talking about. Yet you have absolutely no idea as to what you are talking about as you have absolutely no understanding of when, where, and how those inspections took place and when they were ended. This is typical of a brainwashed person.

  
  

  In 1995, UNSCOM's principal weapons inspector, Dr. Rod Barton from Australia, showed Taha documents obtained by UNSCOM that showed the Iraqi government had just purchased 10 tons of growth medium from a British company called Oxoid. Growth media is a mixture of sugars, proteins and minerals that provides nutrients for microorganisms to grow. It can be used in hospitals and microbiology/molecular biology research laboratories. In hospitals, swabs from patients are placed in dishes containing growth medium for diagnostic purposes. Iraq's hospital consumption of growth medium was just 200 kg a year; yet in 1988, Iraq imported 39 tons of it. Shown this evidence by UNSCOM, Taha admitted to the inspectors that she had grown 19,000 litres of botulism toxin;[33] 8,000 litres of anthrax; 2,000 litres of aflatoxins, which can cause liver failure; Clostridium perfringens, a bacteria that can cause gas gangrene; and ricin, a castor-bean derivative which can kill by impeding circulation. She also admitted conducting research into cholera, salmonella, foot and mouth disease, and camel pox, a disease that uses the same growth techniques as smallpox, but which is safer for researchers to work with. It was because of the discovery of Taha's work with camel pox that the U.S. and British intelligence services feared Saddam Hussein may have been planning to weaponize the smallpox virus. Iraq had a smallpox outbreak in 1971 and the Weapons Intelligence, Nonproliferation and Arms Control Center (WINPAC) believed the Iraqi government retained contaminated material.[21]

  
  

  UNSCOM also learned that, in August 1990, after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, Taha's team was ordered to set up a program to weaponize the biological agents. By January 1991, a team of 100 scientists and support staff had filled 157 bombs and 16 missile warheads with botulin toxin, and 50 bombs and five missile warheads with anthrax. In an interview with the BBC, Taha denied the Iraqi government had weaponized the bacteria. "We never intended to use it", she told journalist Jane Corbin of the BBC's Panorama program. "We never wanted to cause harm or damage to anybody." However, UNSCOM found the munitions dumped in a river near al-Hakam. UNSCOM also discovered that Taha's team had conducted inhalation experiments on donkeys from England and on beagles from Germany. The inspectors seized photographs showing beagles having convulsions inside sealed containers

  
  

  There were no weapon inspections in Iraq for nearly four years after the U.N. departed from Iraq in 1998, and Iraq asserted that they would never be invited back.[43] In addition, Saddam had issued a secret order that Iraq did not have to abide by any U.N. Resolution since in his view the U.S. had broken international law.[

  
  
  

So are you going to address the other points or are you like every other Bush bot out there that pretends they were never made? Are you familiar with that saying "arrogance is bliss"?

 

[The Monkey]

I havent read that whole article but basically what i pulled from it was that the US supported Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war. And i also pulled out that Iraq used chemical weapons against Iranian troops and Kurdish insurgents. If this is what you are hinting at by "Saddams prior actions" then i dont see why using chemical weapons during warfare is a big deal. Happened in WW1.

And we burned witches in the Dark Ages, does that make it right?

 

[Escaep]

And we burned witches in the Dark Ages, does that make it right?

Could you please clarify? Right=Chemical Warfare?

 

[DerbyDriver1985]

This is a very stereotypical thread, here.

You've got the non-Americans acting as they usually do, and by that, I mean that they just ASSUME that what they hear and see on TV is the truth.

You've got the liberal Americans helping to cement that confidence of the non-Americans by perpetuating half-truths as well as flat out lies...

And you've got the conservative Americans poorly representing themselves, for the most part.

ugh...

The Average American Mindset on "Iraqi Freedom"? Unfortunately, the immediate post-9/11 mindset no longer reigns supreme, where America was fired up and ready to rid the middle east of those zealots who call themselves Muslims. Islam is a religion of peace and these terrorist regimes have bastardized the word of that religion. It's a shame, really.

No longer does America feel that way. No... thanks to people such as Michael Moore, the two idiots who made that really crappy (and poorly researched) Loose Change internet video, and Rosie O'Donnell... Americans are standing up more and more against Bush, against conservatives, and against anyone who even remotely supports the republican party or the war in Iraq.

This is reckless behavior. Instead of getting anything done, the liberals are too busy pointing fingers, coming up with stories about why Bush is an evil person, and generally misleading the American public as well as the rest of the world as to the true nature of the situation in Iraq and the intention of President Bush.

1. Iraq makes up roughly 4% of the worlds oil supply. WE DON'T NEED IT. The war is not about oil, it never was, and even if it were, it would be something extending much further back than the presidency of George W. Bush, you can be sure of that.

2. There is no "Iraqi Massacre". I don't know what the BBC is reporting to you folks, but have you heard any of the stories about how American troops have been ambushed and slaughtered because they're not allowed to fire until fired upon? Did you know that? Did you know that American troops could be chasing insurgents, and if those insurgents took refuge in a holy building, the American troops would have to disengage and retreat, even if they're being fired on? Did you know that? Did you know that the Insurgents use women and children as human shields, even strapping explosives to them and killing our soldiers when they least expect an attack, and that sometimes in order to save their own lives our soldiers are FORCED to take casualties? I bet you didn't know that.

3. Americans are not stupid. The stupid Americans are the loudest Americans, however. The stupid ones are the ones we put on TV, running their mouths without a single clue as to what they're saying. Do not generalize Americans as hillbilly idiots. You have no right to judge a person in such a way.

4. Anti-America is a fad, hyped up by media. Can you think for yourself and see the beauty that this country has, or are you going to get caught up in the hype, and trash America any chance you get? For those of you who are British... America is your greatest Ally. Your "big brother", so to speak. You may not like anything we do, and you may annoy the hell out of us constantly, but you know what? In the end we will ALWAYS be there to help you out no matter what the situation is. I think it's high time you start showing a little respect for the heart of gold most Americans have, and stop insulting us every change you get.

5. This 9/11 conspiracy bullshit HAS to stop. Every single point- EVERY SINGLE POINT, every last one, no leftovers whatsoever, has been 100% undeniably dis proven by soooooooooo many credible sources that it absolutely AMAZES me that anybody could still believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy. If you believe that, then you're simply a close minded sheep, believing the first explanation you hear, because it's too hard for you to believe that there really are evil terrorist factions in the world who want to kill us. Face it... that's what happened. Deal with it, the rest of us sure have. Bush did not blow up the World Trade Center. There was no implosion. There was no missile at the Pentagon. Building 7 suffered severe structural damage and collapsed on its own. DEAL WITH IT. Do some actual research before you believe that idiotic "Loose Change" video, or ANYTHING that fat ass Michael Moore has to say. Here's a little background on Michael Moore, by the way... he's bitter and hates the government/large corporations because General Motors destroyed his hometown. Now he spends his life slandering the US Government and all types of mega corporations.

 

[Solaris]

**** AMERIC Cptilmsi

 

[99.vikram]

Islam is a religion of peace and these terrorist regimes have bastardized the word of that religion. It's a shame, really.

That's a debate unto itself.

coming up with stories about why Bush is an evil person, and generally misleading the American public as well as the rest of the world as to the true nature of the situation in Iraq and the intention of President Bush.

There's no need for stories. Bush is a whackjob who admitted to waging wars because "God told me to". He's a mass murderer, whether he meant to do it matters little in the end.

Iraq makes up roughly 4% of the worlds oil supply. WE DON'T NEED IT.

But pretty big people have been lining their pockets with massive contracts since the war on Iraq.

I don't know what the BBC is reporting to you folks, but have you heard any of the stories about how American troops have been...I bet you didn't know that.

Yes we do know all that. That's why they are called terrorists.

But do you have ANY idea of the ratio of American to Iraqi casualties (forget insurgents, just regular army and civvies)? (Hint: It's not 1:1)

Thou shalt not speak out of thy arse.

Americans are not stupid. The stupid Americans are the loudest...as hillbilly idiots. You have no right to judge a person in such a way.

The hillbillies are running the show, so please tell me what i should assume.

Your "big brother ", so to speak. You may not like anything we do, and you may annoy the hell out of us constantly, but you know what? In the end we will ALWAYS be there to help you out no matter what the situation is.

America has switched sides numerous times in history (pro Mujahideen to anti Taliban etc.), so it's as trustworthy or untrustworthy as any other country.

Also, please stop helping the world like you helped Korea or Vietnam. That's what the U.N. is for. :x

 

[golden_fang]

**** AMERIC Cptilmsi

did you type that with your nose?:dork:

 

[Shift]

The people sympathising with Bush are downright idiots, the lot of you. How in gods name can you condone the situation in Iraq, they are not there for oil?! Then why the **** are you still there, why are you establishing permanent bases that will hold battalions of troops.

Your mighty president lied to the country just like our bastard of a prime minister did to ours. Saddam was not a threat to world peace as we found out when no weapons of mass destruction were encountered, not to mention his entire army was eradicated within days by air power alone.

The situation in Iraq escalated into chaos after the occupation started, the civil war that is going on there now is fuelled because the troops stayed. I mean jesus christ, Bush talked about freeing a nation, but in that process, MANY civilians have been killed and are still dieing, because of what Bush did and is still doing. AND NOW, most incredible of all, he has said exactly the same thing about Iran.

Im not even gonna start on 9/11 and the 7/7 bombings because thats just too large and sensative an issue to discuss. But all in all, Bush is war mongerer and a murderer of thousands of people, and to support is the height of stupidity.

 

[kirovman]

Iraq had no involvement in 9/11 or even terror, beyond the petty stuff.

 

[Nemesis6]

Im not even gonna start on 9/11 and the 7/7 bombings because thats just too large and sensative an issue to discuss.

Let me guess: The government(s) were behind them?

 

[Ridge]

I have both of my two best friends back from their tours in the sandbox, and have never been happier! My buddy from the USMC told me that we need to stay and finish the job, but at the same time its nearly impossible to do that, because everything the US does, like getting people power, water, etc is sabotaged by insurgents from different countries who blow up the means to get the stuff there and cripple our efforts.

As for what the people think of Bush? Well, his rating is at 24%...that kinda says something...

I, personally, support the soldiers, but dont support the war.

 

[Nemesis6]

Let's play pretend: What if America had sealed Iraq's border with Iran and Saudi Arabia from the start and the Insurgency never happened, or at least only happened to a retarded extent -- Coming only through Jordan or Kuwait -- and you still knew Iraq had no nuclear weapons? Would you support it then?

 

[Ridge]

I think the majority of Americans always knew there was no nuclear weapons, or that there was nothing that caused an immediate threat to the US...and now Bush and Rice are doing the same thing about Iran...God knows if they invade Iran, I will personally take the shot...

 

[DerbyDriver1985]

Further stereotypical and bigoted behavior from the brits. I should've expected that I wouldn't be met with a shred of respect from people THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY who have NO ****ING IDEA what is really going on, because they only believe what their television tells them to believe.

Bush is not a mass murderer. We're not targeting innocents. Did you know that the large number of those Iraqi Casualties are not a result of American force, but rather suicide bombings and the like? Do you even realize that most of those people are dying by the hand of their own people? No, of course it's the big bad American over there eating babies and showering in Iraqi blood. OF COURSE that's what it is, that makes SO much more sense than the idea of religious fanatics using and killing their own people in order to destroy their biggest enemy, being the western nations. That includes you, by the way.

If you didn't know, we have PERMANENT stations in many, many countries. Once the fire dies down in Iraq, our presence there will be just as it is in other countries. Not in charge of anything, just there to help out if needed.

Our president did not LIE to anybody. You think he lied because of the ****ing biased news media only reporting half the story. If you actually research and LOOK AT THE GOD DAMNED DOCUMENTS, everything is clearly stated, our intentions in Iraq, our removal of Saddam, even the fact that we are not actively searching for Osama Bin Laden (which may or may not be a way to make him think the heat is off). Bush did not lie, you just weren't listening to him when he told you what he was going to do. Or, rather, the media never reported that part of it, no, instead you have to physically search for the documents.

The situation in Iraq escalated after we went over there, yes, this is true. You know why? Ever hear the term "red tape"? Our missions got royally ****ed in the middle of it because of all the people that stuck their nose in and brought up all these regulations and basically collapsed the plan.

Oh, and there is no EXIT STRATEGY because we're not ready to exit yet. It's a mess now, leaving now would be absolutely devastating to the region. We're not going to leave until we manage to get some sort of solid government in place that will actually take steps to end the militant regimes which seek to destroy any form of civilization whatsoever.

Bush is by no means a good president. I don't ever remember saying that. However, many of you are WAY out of line and totally off base with your claims against him. If you're going to slam Bush, why not actually bring up something that has some evidence to back it up, you know, things that AREN'T just fabrications of the liberal agenda?

It's so funny how the liberals always say that Conservative media is biased and untruthful... get real, yes, that's true, but do you REALLY think that liberal media is unbiased and 100% truthful? Do you really? If that's what you believe, you really ARE a close minded sheep.

It's very clear to me that BBC is definitely on the liberal side of things. It does not report things as they actually are, instead, it falls under the liberal agenda of typical America bashing and hatred.

Your show Top Gear is a good example even though it's off topic... any chance Jeremy Clarkson gets, he bashes American cars or American standards... that episode where they drove down south with those cars they painted on was a perfect example of how biased they are (did you actually SEE anybody throwing rocks, or did you just hear a sound effect?)... if they went to ANY OTHER STATE in this country, an incident like that wouldn't have occurred.

Anyways I'm getting way off track here. Point is, this anti-America shit HAS to stop. Why? Because it's all based on LIES. You're believing lies created by the Liberal Agenda to take away all credibility that the republicans have. Doesn't it seem convenient that all of the sudden republicans are evil, you know, since the dems are trying to gain control again? Has ANYBODY thought of just how coincidental their timing is? Have you?

 

[DerbyDriver1985]

I think the majority of Americans always knew there was no nuclear weapons, or that there was nothing that caused an immediate threat to the US...and now Bush and Rice are doing the same thing about Iran...God knows if they invade Iran, I will personally take the shot...

Listen to President Amedinajhad's threats against the west. Yes, that includes England.

 

[kirovman]

I quite like America, but I don't like it's president or current war on adjectives policy. I also don't like whiners who go on about some kind of liberal bogeyman who lives under the bed.

It is possible to be against Bush and his lies (yes, he did lie or contort the truth in a deliberate way to suggest there were WMD in Iraq, I'm not sure how you can refute that), but at the same time actually like America as a country or as a people.

 

[Raziaar]

did you type that with your nose?:dork:

He might have achieved more accuracy with that strategy.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

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Your show Top Gear is a good example even though it's off topic... any chance Jeremy Clarkson gets, he bashes American cars or American standards... that episode where they drove down south with those cars they painted on was a perfect example of how biased they are (did you actually SEE anybody throwing rocks, or did you just hear a sound effect?)... if they went to ANY OTHER STATE in this country, an incident like that wouldn't have occurred.

Oh christ, he was just joking, if your gonna be offended by the things he said don't watch teh program.

 

[99.vikram]

Further stereotypical and bigoted behavior from the brits...people THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY who have NO ****ING IDEA what is really going on,...

And yet those goddamned Brits lost their soldiers in Iraq too.

Bush is not a mass murderer.

Thousands died as a direct result of his decisions = Unwitting, bumbling mass murderer.

we have PERMANENT stations in many, many countries.

Yes, a very disturbing thought. :|

Our president did not LIE to anybody.

WHAT?!

Weapons of mass destruction....WMDs.....Nucular Weapons!!........Nuclear and chemical weapons!!!11!1!

I believe I've made my point.

things that AREN'T just fabrications of the liberal agenda?

DIEPLZ

Doesn't it seem convenient that all of the sudden republicans are evil, you know, since the dems are trying to gain control again? Has ANYBODY thought of just how coincidental their timing is? Have you?

Because it's about damn time the American voting public made up for the mistakes they made in the past decade, and realised just how much damage has been caused.

 

[Shift]

Further stereotypical and bigoted behavior from the brits. I should've expected that I wouldn't be met with a shred of respect from people THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY who have NO ****ING IDEA what is really going on, because they only believe what their television tells them to believe.

Urm, you aren't the only ones in Iraq, a massive group of our troops are fighting and dieing there too, in otherwords the agenda in Iraq is our responsibility just as much as it is yours. Its nothing to false media reports, we see live footage of Bush and Blair speaking to the nations, and we make our assumptions.

Bush is not a mass murderer. We're not targeting innocents. Did you know that the large number of those Iraqi Casualties are not a result of American force, but rather suicide bombings and the like? Do you even realize that most of those people are dying by the hand of their own people? No, of course it's the big bad American over there eating babies and showering in Iraqi blood. OF COURSE that's what it is, that makes SO much more sense than the idea of religious fanatics using and killing their own people in order to destroy their biggest enemy, being the western nations. That includes you, by the way.

And why are these suicide bombings happening? Because American and British troops are still there. And why did they start in the first place? Because we marched into a country we had no ****ing right to invade and tried forcing a democractic goverment on the country splitting it in two, Vietnam anyone?

If you didn't know, we have PERMANENT stations in many, many countries. Once the fire dies down in Iraq, our presence there will be just as it is in other countries. Not in charge of anything, just there to help out if needed.

Thats just it, the fire wont die down. We are facing fanatics of their cause, and trust me, they will fight and fight and fight until the coalition troops are forced to pull out. And if they dont pull out, well our troops will keep on dieing for nothing for years and years.

Our president did not LIE to anybody. You think he lied because of the ****ing biased news media only reporting half the story. If you actually research and LOOK AT THE GOD DAMNED DOCUMENTS, everything is clearly stated, our intentions in Iraq, our removal of Saddam, even the fact that we are not actively searching for Osama Bin Laden (which may or may not be a way to make him think the heat is off). Bush did not lie, you just weren't listening to him when he told you what he was going to do. Or, rather, the media never reported that part of it, no, instead you have to physically search for the documents.

The documents state the intention to invade Iraq is for the removal of Saddam, why? Because he had weapons of mass destruction and felt he was a threat to the free world, we know this because Blair publicly announced this on national tv, that he was siding with Bush's opinion and sending our troops in too. Were those weapons found? No. Was his army in any shape to challenge other countries? Well when an army gets wiped out within days from air power alone, I can safetly no it wasn't. I agree he was an arsehole and deserved to be hanged, but that intention alone DOES NOT condone all the civilians and troops that have died and are still dieing in the process.

The situation in Iraq escalated after we went over there, yes, this is true. You know why? Ever hear the term "red tape"? Our missions got royally ****ed in the middle of it because of all the people that stuck their nose in and brought up all these regulations and basically collapsed the plan.

No the situation escalted in Iraq after we went in, because the coalition troops that were meant to be restoring the freedom to the people, have done no such thing. When they bombed the country to hell, many civilians were killed, their continued presence spurred a civil war and has split the entire country in two. The very citizens of Iraq have been questioning their internvention for years, and they have ever right to.

Oh, and there is no EXIT STRATEGY because we're not ready to exit yet. It's a mess now, leaving now would be absolutely devastating to the region. We're not going to leave until we manage to get some sort of solid government in place that will actually take steps to end the militant regimes which seek to destroy any form of civilization whatsoever.

And it comes back to my original argument. Why is it a mess? Because we went in the first place. Yes, there was an evil man in power, but at least his country was in order and wasn't being bombed to **** everyday leaving the entire country in a constant state of fear. If he poses no threat to the freedom of other countries, which he didn't, then he should not be invaded. A solid goverment will never be established and the occupation will fail, as EVERY occupation has done throughout history. Those terrorist will rather die than have western powers take control of their country.

Bush is by no means a good president. I don't ever remember saying that. However, many of you are WAY out of line and totally off base with your claims against him. If you're going to slam Bush, why not actually bring up something that has some evidence to back it up, you know, things that AREN'T just fabrications of the liberal agenda?

The evidence is crystal clear, just as the evidence against Blair is crystal clear. When they said Saddam was a threat to the world, and he had weapons of mass destruction, only for us to march in to find no such weapons and pety armed force, but sorry, too late, we are in the shit now.

It's very clear to me that BBC is definitely on the liberal side of things. It does not report things as they actually are, instead, it falls under the liberal agenda of typical America bashing and hatred.

We are not bashing Americans, we are bashing the American goverment. You really think we are that biased? ****ing hell have you been living in cave? Not one member of this forum from England will tell you that England is an awsome place to live. This place is a ****ing tip, and the goverment is responsible. We blast our goverment, just as much as we bash yours.

Your show Top Gear is a good example even though it's off topic... any chance Jeremy Clarkson gets, he bashes American cars or American standards... that episode where they drove down south with those cars they painted on was a perfect example of how biased they are (did you actually SEE anybody throwing rocks, or did you just hear a sound effect?)... if they went to ANY OTHER STATE in this country, an incident like that wouldn't have occurred.

Are you stupid? He quite clearly joking, adding humour to the show.

Anyways I'm getting way off track here. Point is, this anti-America shit HAS to stop. Why? Because it's all based on LIES.

No your mighty goverment and our goverment is based on LIES. You are ****ing stupid to condone the Iraq war, its just like the saying the Vietnam war was right because of communism. Well, tell that to the troops who in the shit over there everyday, when all they want to do is go home and be with their families. Tell that to all the families who lives have been ruined because their sons/daughters have been killed or left disabled from a roadside bomb. Or how about, you go over yourself as a soldier and see exactly what your fighting for. Ive said it once and ill say it again, ANYONE who justifies that war is a ****ing retard who needs his/her head checked.

 

[CptStern]

although it's sort of redundant to answer DerbyDriver's points (you all did a wonderful job of countering his every point ..kudos guys, you make Stern proud /wipes tear ) ...I'll add my 2 cents anyways

Further stereotypical and bigoted behavior from the brits. I should've expected that I wouldn't be met with a shred of respect from people THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY who have NO ****ING IDEA what is really going on, because they only believe what their television tells them to believe.

hmm I take it your american? are you saying somehow you know exactly what is going on? how so? have you served across iraq in some sort of fact finding role in some official capacity or other? or perhaps you've done a tour of duty which if the case then I'd have to say the liklihood of you "knowing what's going on" is at best slim to none ..especially since in a poll of US soldiers stationed in iraq 85% of them believe saddam was responsible for 9/11 ..so that brings us back to square one ..if you're not actually in iraq how exactly are you getting your information? ...tv? fox"news", blogs written by right wing amateurs with more piss and vinegar than sense or anything even remotely resembling journalistic integrity

Bush is not a mass murderer. We're not targeting innocents.

indiscriminate fire may not be exactly like targetting innocents ..however it does say something about their apathy towards iraqis ..at least targetting would mean they gave a shit ..however morbidly so

Did you know that the large number of those Iraqi Casualties are not a result of American force, but rather suicide bombings and the like?

sure, however a large number of those are killed by coalition forces ...31% in fact ..and if you tally up all the deaths in iraq since the war 2.5% of iraqs population of 23 million have died needlessly ..this war didnt have to happen if not for Bush's lies

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/

Do you even realize that most of those people are dying by the hand of their own people? No, of course it's the big bad American over there eating babies and showering in Iraqi blood. OF COURSE that's what it is, that makes SO much more sense than the idea of religious fanatics using and killing their own people in order to destroy their biggest enemy, being the western nations. That includes you, by the way.

the US is responsible under international law to bring order and security to occupied territories ...they started this conflict under false pretenses therefore every single death in iraq either directly or indirectly is the responsibility of the US ..like it or not 655,000+ iraqis would still be breathing if not for the US

If you didn't know, we have PERMANENT stations in many, many countries. Once the fire dies down in Iraq, our presence there will be just as it is in other countries. Not in charge of anything, just there to help out if needed.

you are completely deluded ..the US and US corporations are already raping iraq ..everything from trade laws, to patents to reconstruction proves the US is setting up iraq to favour it's interests not iraqs

Our president did not LIE to anybody.

watch this video and you explain how the **** they went from no threat to extreme threat in 4 short months?

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

George W. Bush September 12, 2002


Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.

George W. Bush January 28, 2003


We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.

George Bush February 8, 2003


Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.

George Bush March 18, 2003


We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad.

Donald Rumsfeld March 30, 2003


please explain, as of yet no one seems to be able to explain how the US goes from "saddam has no WMD" to "Saddam has enough WMD to destroy america" in a few short months ..please explain wtf happened here

You think he lied because of the ****ing biased news media only reporting half the story. If you actually research and LOOK AT THE GOD DAMNED DOCUMENTS, everything is clearly stated, our intentions in Iraq, our removal of Saddam, even the fact that we are not actively searching for Osama Bin Laden (which may or may not be a way to make him think the heat is off). Bush did not lie, you just weren't listening to him when he told you what he was going to do. Or, rather, the media never reported that part of it, no, instead you have to physically search for the documents.

what the hell are you talking about? what documents? please proivide said documents ..the"documents" clearly show Bush lied through the poverbial teeth ..did you ever stop to think that maybe it's you who are brainwashed?

The situation in Iraq escalated after we went over there, yes, this is true. You know why? Ever hear the term "red tape"? Our missions got royally ****ed in the middle of it because of all the people that stuck their nose in and brought up all these regulations and basically collapsed the plan.

it's obvious you dont have a clue as to what you're talking about "red tape " is to blame ..not the fact they had no ****ing plan because "saving" iraq and iraqis was never on the agenda? you dont "help" a nation by killing 2.5% of it's population ..I dont understand how anyone could be so deluded ..it's almost as if you've been asleep since 2003 because you rehash all the bullshit they spoonfed you before the war

Oh, and there is no EXIT STRATEGY because we're not ready to exit yet.

duh! not by a long shot

It's a mess now, leaving now would be absolutely devastating to the region. We're not going to leave until we manage to get some sort of solid government in place that will actually take steps to end the militant regimes which seek to destroy any form of civilization whatsoever.

you mean put into power a puppet regime that will be loyal to your interests ..kinda like how it was when you first helped saddam into power

the only problem is that the enemies of the US in iraq arent about to let that happen ..you have put yourself into a quagmire with no way out ..but that wasnt part of the plan anyways

Bush is by no means a good president. I don't ever remember saying that. However, many of you are WAY out of line and totally off base with your claims against him. If you're going to slam Bush, why not actually bring up something that has some evidence to back it up, you know, things that AREN'T just fabrications of the liberal agenda?

you have yet to provide anything that disproves anything written here besides your own opinion ..the burden of proof is upon you, it is you who must prove we are wrong

It's so funny how the liberals always say that Conservative media is biased and untruthful... get real, yes, that's true, but do you REALLY think that liberal media is unbiased and 100% truthful? Do you really? If that's what you believe, you really ARE a close minded sheep.

:upstare: ..ok I may offend some americans and that's not my intention but ffs some you americans are so ****ing arrogant it's not funny ..as if the world is actually america and everyone lives by this narrowly defined view of what conservatives and liberals are ..well here's a ****ing clue chappy ..the rest of the world has more than 2 ****ING POLITICAL PARTIES, WE ARE NOT DEFINED BY WHETHER WE BELONG TO THE REPUBLICANS OR THE DEMOCRATS

It's very clear to me that BBC is definitely on the liberal side of things. It does not report things as they actually are, instead, it falls under the liberal agenda of typical America bashing and hatred.

ffs, there is not a single american media outlet that even comes close to unbiased reporting as is the case with the BBC ..US media took a back seat to proganda reporting since the war began ..the most respected news outlets in america admitted as much from the onset ..to say you americans have the "whole" picture is just laughable

Anyways I'm getting way off track here. Point is, this anti-America shit HAS to stop. Why? Because it's all based on LIES. You're believing lies created by the Liberal Agenda to take away all credibility that the republicans have. Doesn't it seem convenient that all of the sudden republicans are evil, you know, since the dems are trying to gain control again? Has ANYBODY thought of just how coincidental their timing is? Have you?

ffs as if we're all american and actually gave a shit about either party ..it's all a "liberal conspiracy" goddam liebrals :upstare:

 

[HunterSeeker]

I must question what right any country has to invade another one when it clearly has no intention of harming the invader, even if they do have WMDs stockpiled.

And really, if having WMDs is good enough reason for invading a country would you support an invasion of america?

 

[Milkman]

And really, if having WMDs is good enough reason for invading a country would you support an invasion of america?

Really?

Yeah it was a dumb reason to go to war, and a dumb war at that, but, you make it sound even more stupid than it already is. Why not declare war on the other dozen or so countries that possess chemical, nuclear and or biological weapons? Or the Japanese, with their damn robots, don't trust them for a second.