The Bush Administration want new nuclear weapons

[CptStern]

If i was an evil dictator, i would just build a huge underground complex under a capital city and have a lot of my military command centres in a capital city, i.e. Baghdad. The weapons may be low yield compared to 100 megaton super weapons, but 1 megaton can not be called low yield as the devastation would be horrendous.

funny you should mention that because during the cold war russia built enough fallout shelters to accomodate their citizens ...the US meanwhile built none

Bodacious, why is it everytime you make a post in the political forum, i seem to end up siding with CptStern immediately? CptStern might be a little biased towards the left, in my opinion, but you are completely biased in the opposite direction. Yes you have come up with some great sources of information that counter Stern's, but the way you talk just screams "i am a neo-conservative".

hehe thanks ...I think for the most part some the more radical neo-conservatives in our group are outraged by some of our attitudes ..they're used to mixing with their own kind so being forced into a place with many different viewpoints probably puts them on the defensive

 

[kmack]

good, now we can obliterate countries like Iraq before they have fake WMD's that threaten us.

oh, and we should be able to have them but we cant let North Korea have them. and iran can't, because the us gets to tell everyone what to do. ya i wonder why terrorist attacks have tripled... :|

 

[Foxtrot]

funny you should mention that because during the cold war russia built enough fallout shelters to accomodate their citizens ...the US meanwhile built none

Because Russia obviously cared about its citizens

 

[CptStern]

.....and the US?

 

[kmack]

from all the people on this forum the Pinguin dude and ghost are the most ignorant and stupid Thats all I have to say.

/leaves Building

AMEN

 

[CptStern]

from all the people on this forum the Pinguin dude and ghost are the most ignorant and stupid Thats all I have to say.

/leaves Building

that was LoL funny

 

[Bodacious]

And your reasoning behind this is?

The Nazis were socialists in name only. They were fascist conservatives to their very core.

Last time I explained my reasoning you complained about me posting off topic stuff. So send me an e-mail if you really want to know.

 

[Lemonking]

looking at his sig makes me puke and wonder why that person is wasting air

 

[Absinthe]

Last time I explained my reasoning you complained about me posting off topic stuff. So send me an e-mail if you really want to know.

You can PM me if you want to.

 

[bliink]

Get back on topic.

 

[T.H.C.138]

why the hell does anyone still want to f*ck around with nuclear weapons?

its just ridiculous that barely any research is put into positive,non-weapon uses of all this technology,nuclear or otherwise..

and many countries are doing it..not the same way but still the same results..more ways to kill..

dammit!! don't they know thats only fun in video games and movies?!?

 

[clarky003]

bah, Its not for the public to know.. but nukes are rendered harmless nowdays, Scalar inferometer's can disable any warhead where ever it's located, the Russian and American government's have them, infact anything they want to disable can be disabled with Scalar electromagnetic weapons, Ive just heard some crazy shit is going down behind the scenes, and has been ever since the end of WWII.

http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm

http://www.skepticfiles.org/mys4/sem4.htm

"We have a new weapon, just within the portfolio of our scientists, so to speak, which is so powerful that, if unrestrainedly used, it could wipe out all life on earth. It is a fantastic weapon." Khrushchev, to the Presidium, Jan. 1960

Warfare has been changed forever by the development of these scalar energy longitudinal wave howitzers. To get a basic understanding of scalar waves is to have the imagination suddenly run wild as all the implications and possibilities regarding warfare fall into place. One realizes with a certain horror that the world has totally changed, and that there are some very fearsome possibilities. Remember, the power for these weapons comes from the time domain, longitudinal EM waves in the vacuum of empty space, and the power is tremendous and mind-boggling. Being able to blast away at any target from a distant control booth is something that has never happened before. This is incredible power to be in control of and it divides the history of weaponry into "before" and "after." And the destructive power of these weapons is delivered instantaneously to the target from the local vacuum at the place of the target.

From an interview:

Questioner: "Are you saying that real energy can be transmitted faster than the speed of light?"

Bearden: "Yes. But hyperspatially. Not through 3-space, but "around" it. Again, this means that it's possible to produce energetic changes in a distant system at a distant place, without transmitting energy "through space" in the normal sense. You transmit "around" space, so to speak, and directly in time or through a higher dimension, depending on the model you're using to understand this. Further, the speed of the internal EM energy transmission is not limited to the speed of light.

For one thing there is no delivery of any thing to any place. Bombs are obsolete. So are the planes to get them there. No helicopters necessary. All current nuclear devices are rendered nearly useless by electronic "dudding." All distant-destruction can be done from a control room, and to any point on earth. The destructive power of "men" has just increased by orders of magnitude. The new weapons could even cause storms on the sun! Thus there is great urgency to make these new facts public and known, with the hope that all nations would come together to ban the use of scalar weapons.

Two scalar antennae together along with the computers to control them, make up a scalar interferometer, and according to Col. Bearden the Russians have hundreds of such installations already. These interferometers are called "Tesla Howitzers." They can deliver a giant blast of energy to the distant target site, true "action-at-a-distance".

The first howitzer mode is called the "exothermic" mode of operation because immense EM energy blasts outward at the target site. The blast of a scalar howitzer can be of near nuclear level in destructiveness, and can be repeated easily, at that place, or nearby, or anywhere.

The howitzer can use a lesser exothermic power setting and simply destroy all electronics in the target area. Thus they can render our nuclear missiles inoperable as they sit in their silos by "frying" the electronic circuits that guide them. They can bring down any airplane, anywhere in the world, at any time. Any person anywhere, if their exact position is known, can be assassinated without a shot being fired.

The howitzers can also bring down power grids anywhere in the world, at any time. Thus they could bring Wall Street to an instant halt by disabling all its electronics. Even this one little easy tweak of the howitzer could cripple the U.S. economy in a single day. No wonder the "leaders" don't want you to know! This is a new era we are in. The discovery and development of scalar interferometry has put us in a new world, whether we like it or not. Anyone could be expected to go into denial, the befuddled senators and congressmen included. But we have to wake up.

In a second howitzer mode called the "endothermic" mode, the howitzer sucks energy out of the target area, essentially creating a blast of cold at the distant target. It is even capable of freezing parts of the ocean. Bearden gives a number of cases where these "cold explosions" have been witnessed, mostly by airline pilots. April 9, 1984: 1 2 3 ) A huge mushroom cloud of mostly water is seen rising miles into the sky from out of the ocean, an awesome sight.

In the endothermic mode the sucked-out energy must go somewhere, so it is vented out at some other chosen spot on the earth. These endothermic plumes have been photographed by satellite.

http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/s48_plumes.jpg

"The exhaust in the left picture is about 150 miles long, and is nearly horizontal (about 1.5 degrees above the horizontal). It is entirely consistent with the continuous exhaust from a "dumping transfer" scalar EM howitzer in the continuous exothermic mode. (The primary howitzer, of course, was activated in the endothermic mode.)"

"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations...It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensifour [counter terrorism] efforts." - Defense Secretary William Cohen, 199

The big Tesla howitzers are aimed at their targets by using a worldwide electromagnetic pattern called the "Woodpecker Grid," begun by the Russians in 1976.

http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/s63.jpg

You can hear the Woodpecker signal here: http://www.cheniere.org/misc/woodpeckersound.htm

The woodpecker grid is just that, a grid of EM waves which provide a channel for the LW waves to any point on earth. Computers use the woodpecker grid information to hone down the aiming of the howitzers to a pinpoint location on earth. (For that matter, it could be under the earth, in space, or under the sea).

A third howitzer mode is what Col. Bearden calls "Mindsnapper" mode. This is a truly frightening mode which affects the electromagnetic mind-body connection. Being mind-snapped at a low level would cause you to lose consciousness. Being mind-snapped at a slightly higher power would "entrain" all minds in the target area into a kind of hypnogogic trance, a state in which they would all be highly susceptible to suggestions and orders.

Being mind-snapped at high level would so disrupt the mind-body connection that everyone in the target area would fall down, instantly dead. Not only that, everything around you and inside you would be killed, so that your sterilized body would not rot for quite a long time.

The Mindsnapper can be used for a small area, or to kill an entire population. In fact, using the scalar waves to affect the human mind has become a new field in its own right, and has been dubbed "psychoenergetics."

How to Make Weather

"Engineering the weather is duck soup; they tested that over the U.S. in 1967, and entered upon continuing operations over North America on July 4, 1976 as a grim kind of KGB "Bicentennial Gift" to the United States. Here's how it is done with several interferometers.

"First, the interferometers can deliberately make "high pressure areas" (cool the air so it shrinks and its "footprint" pressure on the ground increases because its density increases) and "low pressure areas" (heat the air so that expands and its "footprint" pressure on the ground decreases because its density decreases). Well, if one makes the highs and lows where one wishes them, and judiciously and somewhat slowly moves them along a given path, these highs and lows will entrain the jet streams and thus "steer" the weather.

"So if you wish a very cold snap or attack, go up into Canada and start these actions to steer down some streams that bring some very frigid air. Establish other highs and lows judiciously to "block" or "slow" other jet streams and flows as desired. In this way, one can pull the "large cold air masses coming down from Canada" deep into the southern U.S. at will. They do it regularly. If you wish an ice storm, add an additional current of warm moist air you bring up (steer up by using artificial highs and lows) from the ocean. Where they meet, you will get freezing rain, then sleet, then severe icing accumulating. This type of attack does rather large damage to the struck area."

http://www.earthchangestv.com/ufo/0209gandor.htm

Whole websites have now sprung up showing weather radar anomalies which may well be indications of scalar weather engineering. One list of over 500 images is here http://www.toledolink.com/~flash/LASTFLASH.html. Cheniere has its own collection http://www.cheniere.org/satellite radar anomalies/index.html.

http://www.cheniere.org/satellite radar anomalies/labigflasher040401.htm

Here is an animated anomaly with cloud formation http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/radar_anom.htm.

In another section at Cheniere are many photos of cloud anomalies which reveal the underlying grid along which the clouds are forming or un-forming. Bearden relates a startling incident in these ongoing "weather wars."

"During the spring of 1986, abnormally strong Soviet weather engineering occurred over the U. S., causing a drastic drought in the southeastern U.S. This drought was broken by a colleague who used an extremely powerful scalar EM device to redirect jetstreams. A most unusual and unique signature of the "blocking" against the Soviet scalar EM actions resulted: Two huge circulations developed in the atmosphere, clearly showed as two adjacent giant "holes" in the swirling cloud cover over the middle and eastern U.S.

"Between these two giant holes, the cloud circulations formed a stream of clouds, moving to the south, looking very: much like a giant vertical "bar" of a huge "Y-shaped" cloud flow.* Several national weathermen commented on this unusual pattern, which had not been observed before. The pattern continued, day after day, as the blocking continued."

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

After thinking about this I'd give it the go ahead.

Look at it like this-

We already have the nuclear weapons that will obliterate everything above ground. If the worst comes and they're used- everyone on the surface will die, but those in the bunker (presumably core government/military leadership) will survive.

Thus, nuke was used- war may not even end by it.

Now, since we've already got nukes anyway, it's not as if we're developing it for the first time. IE: We're making a new weapon that would kill Earth in one hit, etc. It's just improving an old design. With this design, those high level people would be destroyed in the blast.

You'd logically want that more than a regular nuke to hit (if any, you know. No one wants one to hit at all if avoidable) The more precise the better- if the city is going to be hit it's already screwed and it's sad. But at least don't make that destruction in vain- make it count.

 

[bliink]

Thus, nuke was used- war may not even end by it.

It doesnt matter how many politicians and generals survive in their bunkers; if a REAL nuclear war breaks out, they'll be as powerless as anyone left on the street. (there won't be, they'll all be dust).

If major cities are nuked, and power/military bases are nuked; you pretty much automatically lose whatever war you were in. The people hiding in bunkers will only be useful in signing some bit of paper saying they surrender. War cannot continue just because C&C is still alive in a bunker somewhere if the surface has been blasted into toothpicks.

 

[kirovman]

You'd have to discredit Maxwell's equations for "Scalar Electromagnetism" to work.

"Scalar" Weapons...a weapon with magnitude, but one which cannot be aimed. Cool.

I can't take this website seriously after reading:

We live in a 3-dimensional world, which physics calls "3-space." But there is also spacetime, or 4-space, or the "4th dimension." Then suddenly comes this amazing new knowledge that time itself is actually compressed energy.
And it is energy which is compressed by exactly the same factor by which matter is considered compressed energy: the speed-of-light-squared!

So we have a new companion to the famous E=mc^2. It is now paired with E=tc^2 (where t is actually "delta-t," or change in time). Or (amaze your family and friends and) say:

He just spat in the face of Einstein's, Maxwell's and countless's others work.
Dimensional analysis would suggest tc^2 is actually not an energy.

I will demonstrate:
E = mc^2 has dimensions [M L^2 T^-2]
E = tc^2 has dimensions [L^2 T^-1] = NOT an energy.

See, even I, the lowly undergraduate can disprove his ramblings. If he can't get that elementary physics right, how can you believe his scalar weapons nonsense?

Sorry this guy (Bearden) is going to have to take some basic physics classes before he can attempt to be credible. For example, http://www.physics.uoguelph.ca/tutorials/dimanaly/

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

It doesnt matter how many politicians and generals survive in their bunkers; if a REAL nuclear war breaks out, they'll be as powerless as anyone left on the street. (there won't be, they'll all be dust).

If major cities are nuked, and power/military bases are nuked; you pretty much automatically lose whatever war you were in. The people hiding in bunkers will only be useful in signing some bit of paper saying they surrender. War cannot continue just because C&C is still alive in a bunker somewhere if the surface has been blasted into toothpicks.

The hope is to not have to obliterate any more places than needed, though. It'd be most effective against rogue state leaders.

 

[bliink]

The hope is to not have to obliterate any more places than needed, though.

If two nuclear powers ever fought, you can bet it wouldn't be in the slightest "surgical"; if someone's launching a nuclear strike against you, you retaliate to wipe them off the globe.

Against rogue states there would be applications, but it's overkill, considering you wouldnt be nuking the surface to begin with.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

If two nuclear powers ever fought, you can bet it wouldn't be in the slightest "surgical"; if someone's launching a nuclear strike against you, you retaliate to wipe them off the globe.

Against rogue states there would be applications, but it's overkill, considering you wouldnt be nuking the surface to begin with.

It's not necessarily between two nuclear powers though.

Or perhaps a situation like North Korea, wherein they have nukes, and can hit others but not us on the mainland, if we invade they will either nuke our allies there or devastate our troops- or Kim Jong Il and major underlings could be taken out in a hit, which with them gone would leave no command to fire the nuclear weapons off.

Or presumably we've been hit with a nuclear missile, and our first retalliatory strike could hopefully cut off the head and stop command structure of the nuclear rogue state from launching more.

 

[bliink]

Or perhaps a situation like North Korea, wherein they have nukes, and can hit others but not us on the mainland, if we invade they will either nuke our allies there or devastate our troops- or Kim Jong Il and major underlings could be taken out in a hit, which with them gone would leave no command to fire the nuclear weapons off.

Or presumably we've been hit with a nuclear missile, and our first retalliatory strike could hopefully cut off the head and stop command structure of the nuclear rogue state from launching more.

I'm sure anyone seriously considering nuclear war/weapons would have standing orders for use if HQ is destroyed... I mean, its almost a given when you're in a nuclear conflict that your high command will be wiped out...

I remember reading stuff like how the default programs in the 60's ICBMs targetted the missiles at moscow/military bases, so the missiles could be launched independantly of high tier leadership and still be used effectively... all that needed to be done was to get the nuke out of the silo

 

[kirovman]

Ah, good old mutually assured destruction.

I don't think NK will be able to mass produce nukes, or be able to develop them in order attach them to a missle within a reasonable timescale. But then again who knows what they might be capable of...

You seem to be a bit of nuke enthusiast/expert bliink, how come?

 

[el Chi]

I think we should develope more neutron and EMP based weapons and get rid of the nuclear weapons.

Personally I think we should withdraw a lot of money poured into military researh like that and put it to medical research or education. Y'know something that might actually help and benefit us and generations to come rather than impose feelings of fear aggression and paranoia.

 

[Mr-Fusion]

Personally I think we should withdraw a lot of money poured into military researh like that and put it to medical research or education. Y'know something that might actually help and benefit us and generations to come rather than impose feelings of fear aggression and paranoia.

This planet needs more people with this opinion. If everyone had that opinion what a great place this world would be to live in.

 

[Mr-Fusion]

After thinking about this I'd give it the go ahead.

Look at it like this-

We already have the nuclear weapons that will obliterate everything above ground. If the worst comes and they're used- everyone on the surface will die, but those in the bunker (presumably core government/military leadership) will survive.

Thus, nuke was used- war may not even end by it.

Now, since we've already got nukes anyway, it's not as if we're developing it for the first time. IE: We're making a new weapon that would kill Earth in one hit, etc. It's just improving an old design. With this design, those high level people would be destroyed in the blast.

You'd logically want that more than a regular nuke to hit (if any, you know. No one wants one to hit at all if avoidable) The more precise the better- if the city is going to be hit it's already screwed and it's sad. But at least don't make that destruction in vain- make it count.

More people like this and the world will be a worse place to live in.

 

[clarky003]

You'd have to discredit Maxwell's equations for "Scalar Electromagnetism" to work.

"Scalar" Weapons...a weapon with magnitude, but one which cannot be aimed. Cool.

I can't take this website seriously after reading:

He just spat in the face of Einstein's, Maxwell's and countless's others work.
Dimensional analysis would suggest tc^2 is actually not an energy.

I will demonstrate:
E = mc^2 has dimensions [M L^2 T^-2]
E = tc^2 has dimensions [L^2 T^-1] = NOT an energy.

See, even I, the lowly undergraduate can disprove his ramblings. If he can't get that elementary physics right, how can you believe his scalar weapons nonsense?

Sorry this guy (Bearden) is going to have to take some basic physics classes before he can attempt to be credible. For example, http://www.physics.uoguelph.ca/tutorials/dimanaly/

Eninstein's equation works in 3 dimensional space limited by those factor's, the universe operates on more than just that as is being found out, if you think his equation is the final definate absolute, then go ahead, but youd be wrong, Scalar electromagnetics is very real, and adds further complexities to the equation as he states, he doesnt rubbish it, he adds to it.. accounting for this new phenomenon, you didnt rubbish it.. you just leant back on what you think is right (status quo science explaining energy in a materialisitc 3 dimensional space) discounting the relevance of the quantum effect's of scalar electromagnetics, even if physicist's rubbish it.. it's a great attempt in the right direction to include these other phenomenon.

 

[Razor]

Clarky, can you make a new thread please, this thread was about Bush wanting to urinate on the Nuclear Weapon proliferation treaties.

I know you mean well, but you're ending up like Tron. Tron can turn any thread into porn, you try to turn it into a discussion on Zero point energy, heaven forbid the outcome if you and Tron joined forces...Zero Point Porn...

 

[clarky003]

thats cause Tr0n is my Idol .. back on topic then.. oh Noes Bush is Teh nuk3 H0r..

 

[bliink]

You seem to be a bit of nuke enthusiast/expert bliink, how come?

I didn't have a great deal of academic interests in school; but things that go bang were interesting. :thumbs:

I finished school a couple of years ago and now I sit here knowing how to disarm a 70Mt thermonuclear weapon
Knowledge thats only useful in internet forums it seems! lol

 

[Tr0n]

Clarky, can you make a new thread please, this thread was about Bush wanting to urinate on the Nuclear Weapon proliferation treaties.

I know you mean well, but you're ending up like Tron. Tron can turn any thread into porn, you try to turn it into a discussion on Zero point energy, heaven forbid the outcome if you and Tron joined forces...Zero Point Porn...

thats cause Tr0n is my Idol .. back on topic then.. oh Noes Bush is Teh nuk3 H0r..

Damn straight I can...I'm a pro at hijacking threads.

I feel so special.

 

[GiaOmerta]

This planet needs more people with this opinion. If everyone had that opinion what a great place this world would be to live in.

Indeed.

 

[kirovman]

I didn't have a great deal of academic interests in school; but things that go bang were interesting. :thumbs:

I finished school a couple of years ago and now I sit here knowing how to disarm a 70Mt thermonuclear weapon
Knowledge thats only useful in internet forums it seems! lol

Ah, the old diffusing nukes routine.

Don't worry about it only being useful in internet forums, it'll apply to real life some day - it's really good when your hobby turns into something useful in life AND you become a world hero at the same time.

That's happened to me on 3 separate occasions :E

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Show me an underground bunker large enough to require a suterranean nuke to break, and I'll show you a James Bond villain's lair.
Seriously, it's supply without demand. Might as well make unicorn-seeking missiles.

This would only be a good if these bunker-buster nukes were the only existing type of nuke. With only government-specific weapons, there would be substantially less threat to civilian populations.

Instead, it's throwing more on the pile. Basically just ensuring that when the civilians are decimated, the goverment will get vapourized as well. Woo.

 

[Polaris]

Remember, Cold War isn’t over !

 

[kmack]

I sit here knowing how to disarm a 70Mt thermonuclear weapon
Knowledge thats only useful in internet forums it seems! lol

fortunatly

im just worried bush will lie to congress about another country and this time authorize nukes! lol, wait, hmmm thats not so unfeasable uhohhhhhh :O

 

[Razor]

I'm sure anyone seriously considering nuclear war/weapons would have standing orders for use if HQ is destroyed... I mean, its almost a given when you're in a nuclear conflict that your high command will be wiped out...

I remember reading stuff like how the default programs in the 60's ICBMs targetted the missiles at moscow/military bases, so the missiles could be launched independantly of high tier leadership and still be used effectively... all that needed to be done was to get the nuke out of the silo

Correct, there was also Arpanet, which allowed intelligence to be distributed around North America so that if one of the nodes went down, no information was lost. But the US military ensured that all of the command bases and silos could be operated in a situation where central command was not active or operational anymore.