The future of music making

[Geogaddi]

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=8728

Not to say this IS the future of music making, but it certainly raises the question of what will will be possible in the near future.

 

[Majestic XII]

Very cool. Reminds me a bit of the earliest electronic instrument. I was a machine with a wire to a metal rod, and depending on how you hold the rod, the output would be different. It was used in a lot of UFO/horror movies to make that classic ..... wwoooaaaaahhooooooohhh sound

I could see this being used in some electronic music genres. It would be great for a jam session a bunch of people changing and adding to the music as they go.

Looks really expensive and experimental though...so I guess it will take a while before we're there.

 

[evil^milk]

Wow, that shit is sweet!

 

[Absinthe]

I remember seeing/reading about something like this before. Sweet indeed. Something I'd really like to try my hand at.

 

[StardogChampion]

Looks nice, but that's about it. You'll be able to make some lame electronic music.

They'll never be able to synth a guitar perfectly.

 

[Absinthe]

Looks nice, but that's about it. You'll be able to make some lame electronic music.

STFU

They'll never be able to synth a guitar perfectly.

HA! Just wait. Your guitar will be replaced with an electronic equivalent soon enough.

 

[StardogChampion]

HA! Just wait. Your guitar will be replaced with an electronic equivalent soon enough.

Wrong.

 

[Absinthe]

No. Right.

Technology is progressing at an exponential rate. It will only be a matter of time until all physical instruments can be digitally modelled within 99% accuracy.

Of course, I think that would be a complete waste. I'd much rather see an exploration of sounds rather than mimicry.

 

[Que-Ever]

Hate synth music... that stuff was pretty cool though.

 

[Vegeta897]

Incredibly awesome.... Wow.

 

[Majestic XII]

Looks nice, but that's about it. You'll be able to make some lame electronic music.

They'll never be able to synth a guitar perfectly.

Why would they even want a perfekt emulated guitar? Sure, to save money and/or time to actually pick up the guitar, but other than that? I think more people writing electronic music actually want the guitar to sound "fake". Mistakes and crappy samples is what made the genre.

 

[eraser]

I ****ing want one. zomfg.

 

[PoeticRocker]

That music lacked emotion. Im scared for the future of music-making now.

 

[Steven]

That sounded pretty crap.

 

[Operational]

Ok that's pretty cool - but it really is just a nice interface for stuff that can already be done.

 

[CrazyHarij]

Why would they even want a perfekt emulated guitar? Sure, to save money and/or time to actually pick up the guitar, but other than that? I think more people writing electronic music actually want the guitar to sound "fake". Mistakes and crappy samples is what made the genre.

Totally agree.

and also, while the sound of the guitar might be possible to emulate digitally, the guitar itself won't, and that's 50% of why you even play the guitar. the feel of holding one, using your fingers in a totally different way. same thing with analogue synths.

nevertheless that system looks cool as ****, i hope they'll use it to make it much easier and more inituitive to make music.

 

[Absinthe]

That music lacked emotion. Im scared for the future of music-making now.

It's a demo, dude.

 

[Vegeta897]

Ever hear of a tech demo PoeticRocker? Even if that was done in a serious manner it wouldn't be the entire song, just an element that you can play around with live to give dynamics to the song.

 

[Crushenator 500]

HA! Just wait. Your guitar will be replaced with an electronic equivalent soon enough.

vs

Music isn't just about the sounds that you can make

 

[Absinthe]

What are you trying to say with that "versus" comparison? That the more physical exertion put into a song, the more legitimate it is?

Please.

But you're right, it's not all about the sounds you make. I accept that there are different expectations that come with physical and electronic acts.

 

[Crushenator 500]

What are you trying to say with that "versus" comparison? That the more physical exertion put into a song, the more legitimate it is?

Please.

But you're right, it's not all about the sounds you make. I accept that there are different expectations that come with physical and electronic acts.

Not at all, although it is easier to put on a good show when you arent bound to one spot. I actually read somewhere that elton john used to hate being sat at a piano, he wanted to run about on stage and get the crowd going, he wanted ''to be the next jimi hendrix''

There's just something sexy and cool about a guitar that you don't get with a synth or similar, a certain mystique about it

I'm not trying to change your mind btw, i know better than that (you opinionated bastard ), I'm just throwing out my opinions

(oh yeah, and angus young is awesome )

 

[Vegeta897]

I don't know about anyone else but doing some live knob twiddling and mixing is fun as hell.

 

[jondy]

Ok that's pretty cool - but it really is just a nice interface for stuff that can already be done.

Nail on head

The way it looks is just sexy as hell, though.

 

[CrazyHarij]

Not at all, although it is easier to put on a good show when you arent bound to one spot. I actually read somewhere that elton john used to hate being sat at a piano, he wanted to run about on stage and get the crowd going, he wanted ''to be the next jimi hendrix''

There's just something sexy and cool about a guitar that you don't get with a synth or similar, a certain mystique about it

I'm not trying to change your mind btw, i know better than that (you opinionated bastard ), I'm just throwing out my opinions

(oh yeah, and angus young is awesome )

apples and oranges

 

[PoeticRocker]

Yeah I cant be for certain yet. Hopefully the future of music-making is bright still.

 

[Polaris]

It's interesting way, but for some reason it reminds me a story of We Will Rock You musical.
"The story is set in the unspecified, vaguely Orwellian future ... Everywhere on the planet, people watch the same movies, listen to computer-generated music, wear the same clothes and hold the same thoughts and opinions. Musical instruments and composers are forbidden, and rock music is all but unknown."

 

[PoeticRocker]

It's interesting way, but for some reason it reminds me a story of We Will Rock You musical.
"The story is set in the unspecified, vaguely Orwellian future ... Everywhere on the planet, people watch the same movies, listen to computer-generated music, wear the same clothes and hold the same thoughts and opinions. Musical instruments and composers are forbidden, and rock music is all but unknown."

Hell yeah man!! I saw that at Las Vegas when it was here. Kickass musical. How can it not be when it has Queens hits for showtunes?

Yeah thats one of the reasons why Im scared for the future of music-making as well.

 

[Crushenator 500]

apples and oranges

which is why the guitar isnt going to be replaced by a synthesised equivalent any time soon, which was my orginal point

 

[Instinct]

Its impressive, but not to interesting to see live, if thats the music of the future you can wave that gig atmosphere goodbye.

 

[CrazyHarij]

well most electronic acts nowadays use laptops and just stand around when they play live.. which is self destructive since everyone happens to put more emphasis on the "spirit" and attitude of the band and the "scene" rather than the actual music itself.

except for guys like squarepusher who also happens to be an ace bass player, basically turns on his tracks and wanks around on his bass guitar

i like electronic music but think there could be more fun stuff in the live sense, i personally love to jam around and would definitely not just play some pre-made track if i played live.

it really depends on what you identify with yourself and what you prefer, it's more "fun" to see a rock band live but in all honesty, i'd love to go see steve roach or robert rich or something at a sleep concert

 

[Reaktor4]

Its a fun looking gimmicky thing but i dont see it being a serious music making tool tbh.

and also, while the sound of the guitar might be possible to emulate digitally, the guitar itself won't

pretty sure its already been done.

 

[Vegeta897]

Its a fun looking gimmicky thing but i dont see it being a serious music making tool tbh.

Anything fun and easy is pure gold for live perfomance ability. Add it on to a premade track playing, and you'll have great potential for dynamic feel like I already said. Hell I mean the only other dynamic performing in this stuff is knob tweaking or something else simple, and this is taking that to a new dimension.

 

[Que-Ever]

It could be a new DJ thing. Use this thing, and project it up onto a wall or something at a club. Because I also found it to be kind of pretty, and if done skillfully it could really be awesome-looking.

 

[Vegeta897]

In two simple words:

Gimme gimme.

 

[CrazyHarij]

pretty sure its already been done.

i mean properly

 

[Reaktor4]

click, scroll down to episode 28 and click 'sebastian rocks out with a new usb guitar'. im no guitarist but that looks alright to me.

 

[Vegeta897]

But that has actual strings... Works almost just like an electric guitar, it's processing the vibrations.

That's not the same thing as a synthesizer doing it purely electronically.

 

[Absinthe]

It can certainly be done. Probably not live, since the velocity mapping wouldn't be accurately covered with a keyboard. It would have to be composed beforehand and rely on playback.

But I don't mind, really. Whereas traditional rock/pop performances have had a show of some sort in mind, most electronic gigs revolve purely around atmosphere/music. They're smaller venues with a larger focus on audience mentality in which the artists themselves are primarily mediators. Visual stimuli are simply an accentuation of the experience. I find that far more involving and enjoyable.

 

[jondy]

That's not the same thing as a synthesizer doing it purely electronically.

Yep.

Physical modelling will likely cover just about everything in the next decade or so. It's not a question of 'if'. But the emotion argument will go on forever, just like it always has.

 

[Vegeta897]

If they can model soundwaves and such (which I'm sure is possible and already done in some super hightech computers somewhere) you could model the accoustics and vibrations etc.