The humans have the advantage if they can stop the portal. But not the way some think

[Dr Issac Kleiner]

Even Dr. Kliener said the combine would be back. So to stop the combine at their portal would only be a temporary thing, as eventually they'd return and wipe out the human race.

And the humans don't have enough time to make plasma weapons, or nanotech bombs, or anything powerful enough to destroy the combine, so they wouldn't be ready for a head on assault.

However, if they stop the portal and play their cards right, they have the advantage. And the advantage is in their portal technology.

All the combine races fight against their will, just like the humans, just like the vortigaunts, just like everything. They were taken over, and they fight because they have no choice.

If the combine itself, not the captives, were destroyed, they would be freed (Although it would cause years of civil war between the planets), and the combine would be no more.

If the humans can stop the combine from coming back and then using their more advanced portal technology and a more advanced weapon to destroy the combine slugs, they'll defeat the combine.

 

[Llama]

no, wrong.

If they close the portal, they cut the combine off. Presumably forever.

That's the ENTIRE POINT of episode one. The people of Earth can never beat the combine, so they close the portal. By doing so, the Combine has no way of getting through.

 

[Dr Issac Kleiner]

Right. Until a combine soldier figures out how to get in touch with them.

Or the combine figures out how to get back.

Xen wasn't exactly safe either was it?

The vortigaunts thought that Xen would protect them from the combine, in the end, did it?

No matter what happens, some way, the combine will find you.

Either way you look at it, they either get destroyed or they destroy.

And you say the combine can't be destroyed...

All that they are using are captive races for their own gain.

What happened in Wizard of Oz when the witch was killed and the captive soldiers noticed?

Did soldiers under captive countries during WW2 continue fighting the allies, or were they fighting the axis when they were freed?

Here's the entire thing. Say your under a suppressive regime, but them someone frees you. You've basically been in prison for a long time, do you fight the people who freed you? The soldiers have to fight or they will die!

All that the humans really need to do is stop the combine from being able to come to their planet long enough to figure out where the combine slugs are, warp to their location, and take them out.

The entire thing about the combine is that it's built in shaky ground. A regular army would survive if the leader is taken down, since other soldiers feel the same way. But when pretty much the entire combine army wishes someone would free them but must fight or will die... That gives an interesting scenario.

It may be a choice to join the combine... But given that you're only given good food and clean water, and a place to sleep if you join, there's no real choice. They give you the same damn choice the nazis gave. If this was real life and you asked a dying combine soldier if he would rather be a combine soldier, or someone in our world, the choice would be obvious.

Sorry, hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this won't end at HL2 Episode 2. If the humans get far enough ahead, you may even see human combine working with them.

 

[Planetary]

Someone seems to have forgotten that the rebellion only happened in City 17.

The only worldwide thing was the "linked Citadel" teleporters going off line.

We have no idea what happened in Cities 1 to 16 and 18 to whatever.

For all we know, they could still be under harsh Combine rule, only with alot of forces leaving to deal with the insurrection around City 17.
Hopefully we'll see some of them in Episode Two, and hopefully that means some different soldier's suits, or at least armband patches.

Maybe a bunch of rebellions have happened, but as the Combine control where people go no one would know, except that all of sudden trains stop going to City X or wherever it happens.

Valve should certainly address the issue of the other cities in Episode Two.

 

[soulslicer]

you know what?

i like the idea of the combine fighting against their own will and if their programming or whatever via some core is modified or destroyed, the combine soldiers might just turn against their makers and destroy them. wouldn't that be a cool ending..juts like star wars

 

[Dr Issac Kleiner]

Hell, they have their memory removed when they become combine.

Why would they need to have their memory removed if they were completely willing?

Alyx even said she hoped the Stlakers don't remember who they were.

So what happens if the humans help the human combine and the rest of the captives remember who they once were? One possible scenario.

 

[Sheepo]

So what happens if the humans help the human combine and the rest of the captives remember who they once were? One possible scenario.

Yeah if they can get them from shooting at them everytime they tried reurn their memory. I can see it now....
Kliener: Hold still I only wish to help...
Overwatch::sniper:

 

[Slug Advisor]

So, you're saying that the puny humans have to identify every planet where Combine advisors are, use their still limited teleportation tech to find them, kill them and get away?
Plus, not every race in the Universal Union(the name really tells something about the size of the Empire) are slaves. Some may have joined the Combine willingly and may, infact, be loyal.

 

[Omega11]

Even Dr. Kliener said the combine would be back. So to stop the combine at their portal would only be a temporary thing, as eventually they'd return and wipe out the human race.

And the humans don't have enough time to make plasma weapons, or nanotech bombs, or anything powerful enough to destroy the combine, so they wouldn't be ready for a head on assault.

However, if they stop the portal and play their cards right, they have the advantage. And the advantage is in their portal technology.

All the combine races fight against their will, just like the humans, just like the vortigaunts, just like everything. They were taken over, and they fight because they have no choice.

If the combine itself, not the captives, were destroyed, they would be freed (Although it would cause years of civil war between the planets), and the combine would be no more.

If the humans can stop the combine from coming back and then using their more advanced portal technology and a more advanced weapon to destroy the combine slugs, they'll defeat the combine.

I see what you're trying to say... But did you forget about the other Citidaels? There are many all over the planet, not to mention that there is probably a huge combine Empire in American and maybe all of North America, because that's where the portal storms started. By the time all the citidaels are destroyed, some would have been rebuilt, or re-occupied by task forces. Yes, if coopeatively, the humans can rise to power, but communication is not the greatest, nd some Vortigaunts in othe rparts of the world may not be the human's allies. In some countries, Vorts might be enemies with everyone. And you forget about the other hardships. The wastelands, the headcrabs, the other Xenians that may inhabit the wastelands. Plus, they have lots of ground to cover, you'd probably sweep west from City 17, taking ove Spain, England, and cornering the the combine there, but after that, if successful, you stil have to flush East, to Russia, and South to Africa, before reaching North America (where Russia and Alaska are closest) and then you have to swee south again. It's almost like the long journey of man's evolution. Not to mention, what about Australia, Hawaii, Madascar etc. It would take too long, and be too hard to beat the combine, because the other cititdaels are stil active, and wil lstill have portals. Eventually, when Man has only just reached Alaska, the combine should have cracked the key to teleportation, and will fall harder on our asses than ever before.

Summary; Not likely, too much to do first, and not enough coordination.
Humanity; Good as dead XP

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

No. The only reason the combine managed to come here was because of the resounance cascade, once the portal is closed, it is permanantly sealed. Unless humanity does the exact same thing under exactly the same conditions somehow again.

 

[Shift]

No. The only reason the combine managed to come here was because of the resounance cascade, once the portal is closed, it is permanantly sealed. Unless humanity does the exact same thing under exactly the same conditions somehow again.

You beat me damn you, but tis correct, the resenence cascade would have emitted unbelivable amounts of energy which the combine would have picked up. There must be a linkway between the Combine universe and Earth, if the linkway is destroyed on earth, then the there is no way for the combine to get there.

 

[xX NoTe 2 SeLf]

I see what you're trying to say... But did you forget about the other Citidaels? There are many all over the planet, not to mention that there is probably a huge combine Empire in American and maybe all of North America, because that's where the portal storms started. By the time all the citidaels are destroyed, some would have been rebuilt, or re-occupied by task forces. Yes, if coopeatively, the humans can rise to power, but communication is not the greatest, nd some Vortigaunts in othe rparts of the world may not be the human's allies. In some countries, Vorts might be enemies with everyone. And you forget about the other hardships. The wastelands, the headcrabs, the other Xenians that may inhabit the wastelands. Plus, they have lots of ground to cover, you'd probably sweep west from City 17, taking ove Spain, England, and cornering the the combine there, but after that, if successful, you stil have to flush East, to Russia, and South to Africa, before reaching North America (where Russia and Alaska are closest) and then you have to swee south again. It's almost like the long journey of man's evolution. Not to mention, what about Australia, Hawaii, Madascar etc. It would take too long, and be too hard to beat the combine, because the other cititdaels are stil active, and wil lstill have portals. Eventually, when Man has only just reached Alaska, the combine should have cracked the key to teleportation, and will fall harder on our asses than ever before.

Summary; Not likely, too much to do first, and not enough coordination.
Humanity; Good as dead XP

lol madagascar those damned combine tortoise and lemur soldiers ... seriously thurs like 0 ppl there i think we can leave it

 

[Llama]

Right. Until a combine soldier figures out how to get in touch with them.

Or the combine figures out how to get back.

Xen wasn't exactly safe either was it?

The vortigaunts thought that Xen would protect them from the combine, in the end, did it?

No matter what happens, some way, the combine will find you.

Either way you look at it, they either get destroyed or they destroy.

And you say the combine can't be destroyed...

All that they are using are captive races for their own gain.

What happened in Wizard of Oz when the witch was killed and the captive soldiers noticed?

Did soldiers under captive countries during WW2 continue fighting the allies, or were they fighting the axis when they were freed?

Here's the entire thing. Say your under a suppressive regime, but them someone frees you. You've basically been in prison for a long time, do you fight the people who freed you? The soldiers have to fight or they will die!

All that the humans really need to do is stop the combine from being able to come to their planet long enough to figure out where the combine slugs are, warp to their location, and take them out.

The entire thing about the combine is that it's built in shaky ground. A regular army would survive if the leader is taken down, since other soldiers feel the same way. But when pretty much the entire combine army wishes someone would free them but must fight or will die... That gives an interesting scenario.

It may be a choice to join the combine... But given that you're only given good food and clean water, and a place to sleep if you join, there's no real choice. They give you the same damn choice the nazis gave. If this was real life and you asked a dying combine soldier if he would rather be a combine soldier, or someone in our world, the choice would be obvious.

Sorry, hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this won't end at HL2 Episode 2. If the humans get far enough ahead, you may even see human combine working with them.

I dont think you get this.

YOU CANNOT ENTER ANOTHER UNIVERSE WITHOUT A RIFT TO ENTER THROUGH.

The Xenians were safe, the Combine couldn't reach them.

The Xenians on Xen were not enslaved by the Combine.

It's also the reason you can't kill the advisors. How on earth are you going to get to them?

 

[Planetary]

The Vortigaunts make it pretty clear that they're all on humanities side, because they communicate though "Vortessence" and can easily come to collective agreements.

It would still be nice to know what's going on in the other Cities...

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Perhaps we'll here rumors in Epi 2.

 

[ríomhaire]

The Vortigaunts make it pretty clear that they're all on humanities side, because they communicate though "Vortessence" and can easily come to collective agreements.

It also means that they could easily keep their story straight

 

[xX NoTe 2 SeLf]

ya zomg the g-man is deff on teh humanz side and teh vortz t00k u from him cuz tey are s3cretly planning to take over after u killz all teh combinez lawlawl

 

[victor]

i hate you.

 

[Azner]

This thread needs order.

Please list your differences between OVERWATCH and COMBINE SLUGS

Its hard to understand.

 

[Azner]

Look at the stalkers and pictures of the combine soldiers without their armor (pics floating around somewhere on this forum). I really dont think they have a chance at getting their memory back after it was whiped and thur in that much of a transhuman state. They are probly strictly soldiers possibly have no emotions. This leaves no reason for them to rebel. Its a rather romantic idea and would make a good story but i dont think it will happen. You would end up fighting a bunch of slugs to end the Half-Life 2 story. How much fun would that be?

Reprogamming Their Minds?

 

[victor]

besideswhich, it would make for a shit story. the whole "monster turning on creator" thing is overdone.

 

[morgs]

Can you post something productive for once Victor?

 

[victor]

someday.

 

[ríomhaire]

This thread needs order.

Please list your differences between OVERWATCH and COMBINE SLUGS

Its hard to understand.

The Combine Advisors/Combine slugs are the actual orginal Combine species. They are the onces in charge, but they don't fight (At least, we haven't seen them fight yet, maybe in EP2).

The Overwatch is the military force left on Earth to keep the place under control (ie, to watch over it). It consists of Civil Protection, the Overwatch Soldiers (What Breen refers to as the trans-human arm of the Overwatch) and the snyth forces (Striders, gunships etc.).

 

[W4d5Y]

I see what you're trying to say... But did you forget about the other Citidaels?

Well, VALVe themselves stated, that first of all a) the humans have to launch that satellite to close the combine portal and cease its means of reinforcement. b) next stage of epically fighting the greater evil would be an point insertion placement of individuals within the CORE of the synth empire's homeworld, deactivating their command centre, thereby destructing their infrastructure and opening up the way for the lower class combine soldiers to fight the native, now outgunned (due to a certain lack of loads of army-drones for their vital protection) synths.

That's the only way to stop them, because as already stated, shutting them out of a dimension doesn't interfere their goals; and the rebellion army is way to small to achieve a victory on military lenghts; in fact we have guerilla combat conditions, so logically sabotage is more appropriate.
Sabotage that will deliver the combine forces from the suppreme synth line of command!

 

[Sheepo]

Usually when I say overwatch I'm just reffering to post-humans and civil protection. Synths are Synths.