The last resort

I swear to God if I was sent there I would go on a killing spree, seriously. I would kill everyone I could and then get out of there. If this place was still open I'd be taking action against it in some way, anyway I could. I had no idea such a place existed legally. And to think the parents just sign away their childrens rights, how repulsive. I guess it just goes to show you how very ****ed up our world can be.
 
/me puts on extra-heavy flame suit

Uhh, why do I get the feeling that the kids in that camp were not exactly the type who liked to play chess and talk about HL2 theories during lunch ...

More then likely they were a bunch of ignorant thugs who beat you up for your lunch money or just spoiled assholes (since their parents had enough $$ to pay for that shithole).

In that case I don't mind them being sent off to Jamaica or wherever weirdo US child-protection laws don't apply so that they could be taught some respect.
 
I thought that for a moment, but no kid deserves this sorta shit, no matter how unruly and stupid. Besides half of them were sent there because their parents just thought they had 'the wrong attitude'. There was a straight-A graduate in there who got sent because she made 'the wrong choice of boyfriend'.

**** those parents need to deal with their own insecurities.
 
Originally posted by Xtasy0
its the big toilet bowl under us canadians...
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Hey now!

But what're you guys going to do when that toilet overflows.....

ewwww

:)
 
Originally posted by Bad^Hat
I thought that for a moment, but no kid deserves this sorta shit, no matter how unruly and stupid. Besides half of them were sent there because their parents just thought they had 'the wrong attitude'. There was a straight-A graduate in there who got sent because she made 'the wrong choice of boyfriend'.

**** those parents need to deal with their own insecurities.
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Well OK, obviously there are some kids there for the wrong reason. But it's likely the vast majority are thugs who do deserve the punishment they get.
 
As Bad^Hat said, no one deserves that type of treatment, especially a teenager, since teens are, by nature, rebellious. The "bad attitude" is started simply because the teen years are the ones when one begins to question and understand themselves as well as the world. I wouldn't wish that type of treatment on my worst enemy. The destuction of ones spirit and theft of ones individuality are two of the worst things that can be done to a person. In a sense it's like stealing a person's soul from them, and crushing it underfoot.
 
LD, truth is maybe some of them deserve to be punished. But:

1. I don't think anyone deserves to be brainwashed or mentally "broken". That bit about the "teacher" telling the kid his girlfriend was probably ****ing all his friends was sick.

2. I don't think anyone deserves to be tortured.

3. Most importantly, the United States stands for, and the civilized world stands for, basic human rights. The US constitution has a clause about cruel and unusual punishment - I think this certainly qualifies. Obviously ppl disagree about what is cruel and unusual (US still has the death penalty) but even for mass murderers we don't torture them or break them or any of that shit.

I would be a lot more understanding if it was a military school that taught strict discipline and maybe even had corporal punishment. But 18 months on your face!? Breaking your mind and destroying your personality and sense of identity? That doesn't make these kids better people it makes them automatons!
 
Hmmmm .. have you guys watched 'A Clockwork Orange'? Great movie, ties in perfectly with the argument here.
 
You'd have to really deserve to be sent there if your parents did.
And even if your parents really sent you there when you didn't deserve it, you could get out nearly right away it seems. Just do what you're told there. You'll get the "high level" and "graduate"
 
Guys, most of you are seeing this as "kid sent to a concentration camp" scenerio.

Consider : When do you draw the line between normal teen behaviour and self destructive behaviour ? I had a friend that went down the self destructive path .... probably dead or in prison now.

Consider : If you are a parent of a troubled teen, a teen that disrespects you and your views, refuses to listen and is clearly on a self destructive path. How would you sort that teen out, without falling prey to the ' protect the child at all costs ' mentality ?

I agree this camp apparently went too far, but there is a need to demonstrate to over-rebelious teens the system of authority before that teen becomes a victim of the rat race.

When does the cost of protection become to great ? When that teen is either dead or in prision, firmly on the path to drug addiction and crime ?
 
Originally posted by Typhon
LD, truth is maybe some of them deserve to be punished.
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Yes, many teens deserve to be punished, but this isn't punishment. This is 'behaviour modification', and behind that innocent term the reality is somewhay more sinister. No-one deserves this. Many teens deserve prison, or public service, or whatever, but not this.
 
^^my point, as i attempt to articulate in the rest of my post :)
 
what's up, first post on these here forums, but this kinda struck me really, dunno, weirdly(is that a word?).

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Jim Mozingo got the result he wanted. Twenty months after sending his son Josh away, he arrived from North Carolina to collect him. Mozingo has four sons, an insurance company, and is a good example of a typical Tranquility parent. Divorced from Josh's mother, busy, wealthy, he found Tranquility by typing 'defiant teen' into the internet.
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now, what's weird to me is that I lived in NC for about 8 years and grew up with a kid named josh mozingo who's parents were divorced. I don't know if this is the same kid, but a lot of similarites, almost too many... so, yeah, the kid din't have too many problems, basically was just a small town kid that was a minor bully. So, yeah, I have to say that, with this possibly striking close to home, that no one deserves any of this at all. brainwashing a kid may stop them from doin bad things, but is having perfect little clones everywhere much more desirable?anyways, just wanted to add my 2 cents...
 
Seriously, I don't think anyone deserves this. Not even the guy who hacked Valve. I don't care what they did in the past. Going to this place destroys your individuality. It makes you into a brainwashed, programmed bullshit machine. It's really sad. Such over-rebellious kids should be sent to military school as a drastic measure. Military school is hard on kids, but it disciplines them, it doesn't brainwash them. I can only imagine what a kid coming out of Tranquility is like. They have false smiles, but behind that there is nothing.
 
Interesting thread, here's my pre-morning coffee opinion on it

Well I can agree that to be a teenager means being rebelious. But none of you can say that teenagers today are just rebelious. Some (note I said SOME not all, so back off with those flame units;)) are downright evil and do deserve to go to a place like that (well personally they deserve to just vanish but thats only my opinion) They need to be taught how to behave. We're not talking about kids who might stay out all night or be a bit lippy to their parents. We're talking about kids who would think nothing of cutting your throat cause its funny to them. Would think nothing of raping people, again for the hell of it. Kids like those who shot at cars that started off that lawsuit blaming GTA3 for it. These are seriously derranged children who will not function in society. True it probably is down to bad parenting but at that stage passing the buck and blaming the parents wont solve the problem, the kids are then out of control.

The legal system can't do shit. Just here in the UK its obvious the law takes the side of the criminal far more than the victim. And every day you can read about how young kids who can't be put in prison for their crimes continue to flaunt themselves infront of the law knowing full well they can do what the hell they like and they can't be touched. Eventually they can be and will spend the rest of their lives in and out of prison and making everyone elses life a misery.

Is it unfair on them how their treated at this place? Probably yeah but then teenagers are constantly saying their mature and old enough to make choices, so hey that must make them responsible for their actions. Nobody can honestly say they didn't know taking someone's life is wrong, or stealing from people is wrong. It would be like those people who smoke all their lives, get cancer then complain they didn't know and that they didn't get any help to stop. Thats rubbish. I smoke like a chimmney, I know full well it'll kill me one day, I also know there is plenty of help out there for me, I knew this when I was 16 and started smoking. I and the majority of teenagers back then also knew the difference between right and wrong, and im sorry but if a kid doesn't know the difference by the time their 11 and their causing too much trouble, far more than a normal teenager does. They should be sent to this place and shown that their actions have repercussions

True, prison, public service and so on is a nice idea, in theory. But lets face it, it just doesn't work, these kind of children just don't care, you can talk to them about their problems all you like but they'll just tell you what you want to hear and then go out and do what they've been doing all along

Anyone who thinks this place is a bad idea has to ask themselves, why do you think that, is it because you feel sorry for these kids? I very much doubt they could care less if you were sent there. Or is it because you know you've done things that could have warrented you going to a place like this. In which case its a warning, being a teenager and being rebelious doesn't give you the automatic right to be evil to others. Using the old excuse of "I didn't know" just wont work anymore, by that age you should know the difference between right and wrong and what the limits are.

The rules aren't there to be broken, their there to protect others aswell as yourselves. No parent is going to put you in this place just for misbehaving like any old teenager does. Every parent was a teenager once and knows some bad behavior comes with the territory.

It's a last resort, after everything else has failed. Think about it, if absolutely nothing else is going to help you then what use are you to society really? It's either this or you end up doing progressivly worse and worse crimes until eventually you end up on death row, and the way these kind of teenagers behave, and the crimes they start off doing at an early age, their likely to end up with the death penalty before they even hit thirty.

As for these silly comments like "oh im gonna go there and shoot the place up cause its wrong" well err its that kind of action that would land you in there in the first place.

Ask yourself, what would you prefer. To live in relative safety and only worry about the easily spotted weirdo's out there. Or never know if the next time you set foot outside some derranged child with a gun will take out his fustration on you with a bullet just cause he got told off at school.

Finally.. Some of you should go serve in the army if you think this place is bad then believe you me you aint lived, the army is FAR more strict and you WILL do what your told there, break the rules and they can send you to the glasshouse and you really are ****ed then. They own you. This place eventually has to give you back but the Army can keep you for life if they want. Think thats bad, you could be sent off to a warzone, get captured there and you'd be begging to go to this place, it'll be luxury compared to how you'd be treated as a prisoner in places like Iraq, they catch you and your screwed, thats if you even lived long enough, see, they'd just as soon as blow your brains out or cut you up .... kinda like the messed up kids that go to this place would given half the chance

Right, I've said my piece. Not directed at anyone even though I used a few examples. Just my views on this. I know few of you will agree to anything I've said, but wait until your older and you might change your mind ;)

Personally though, if you behave you've got nowt to worry about, the average teen, as annoying as most are, isn't likely to end up in this place. Now if it were mandatory for any and all teenagers between a certain age. I'd share the views that its wrong (should only make the national service mandatory again;)). But its not, its just for those who have serious behavior problems. and its about time something was done to fix those kinds of people before they get too far out of hand.. afterall, the next person they rape, murder or attack.. could be you.
 
First of all, Fenric, you'd better have that cup of coffee, because you're not thinking straight. Getting 11 year old kids beaten up in a small concrete wall room with your arms twisted behind their backs untill their eyes start swelling isn't something a democracy should strive for to preserve it's security. NEVER.

Now, here's my "thought through" opinion:
I'm assuming most of the kids who get sent there are from "stereotypical" families. Meaning divorce, abuse, drugs, etc are involved. I don't think wealth's got much to do with it, since I read that one mother even sold her house to send her daughter to such a camp.
They are desperate families, that's pretty close to a fact.

Why are they desperate? Here lies the answer.
Forget everything you think you know to be true about all this for a moment. Be open.

When a kid gets born with no prospect of a possible pleasant future/life, get's beaten/raped/degraded/intimidated all the time, what can you expect?

Personally, I live in Belgium, and here we don't have such problems. Occasonaly, a murder happens, and always makes frontpage news. Even "small" hold-ups make big news. You know why? Because it doen't happen often, and the people who perform those crimes, are truely desperate.
What we do have here, is decent schools, and not too much unemployement.
In Antwerp, you've got Arabs, Jews, Africans,Eastern europeans, Russians and many others leaving peacefully near each other, sharing shops, malls, groceryshops, schools, playyards, and whatnot. They really leave together, in the same streets!
I'm not saying it's paradise here, but since it's a small country, people are more involved, and feel like their vote does make a difference.

What happened to you America? You used to be the land of the free.
Today, you drop bombs in every single continent, you threaten every non complying country with war, and show an extreme arrogance towards the world, and even those who used to be your friends, like france for example.
You do know that france assisted the americans during the war of independence, wich americans celebrate every 4th of july?
What are you trying to achieve?

What happened to truth, justice and freedom?

You beat up the generations of the future, so you could sleep in the comfort of your "safe" homes?
How long will it last?

You pollute the air and water because the "economic assets are to big"?
You pollute more than any other country in the world! And all the fumes go where you think? They stagnate over China. And let me tell you about China. I went to Beijing 3 years ago, in july. It was 45°C wich is really hot, full day, and you couldn't see the sun because of the grey fog hanging in the sky. You couldn't see shadows behind trees, even tho there was light. Everyone there constantly spits on the floor because throats are filled with some kind of black snot. That's the result of american pollution. Not signing Kyoto.

FREEDOM IS TO BE GARDED VERY CAREFULLY, FOR CORRUPTION IS ALWAYS HERE, TRYING TO TAKE IT AWAY.

Our forefathers have fought and died to give us today the way of life we enjoy. Will we let them down and let selfish men destroy everything they have fought for?

You think you can enjoy safety if you know kids like these are taken care of in the way described in the article?
What makes you so sure they won't come and take you away, or your kids perhaps, or those of your friends? How can you sleep at night?

The ways of reprehension should be over. What we need is evolution in the world, wich means a betterment of society in general. That is the answer to the pain in this world. You don't take away pain by bringing more of it to the scene. It's simple math, really.
But it's not. It's called life. And we're all in it.

Sincerly,

Me
 
Oh yeah, sorry for the typos, but I was at work, and ready to leave already, so I didn't take the time to re-read what I typed.

In the "what happened to truth justice freedom department", I'd like to add the RIAA, wich I think look for outsiders as a bunch of gone-grazy-music-industry. How can they investigate like that?
Also, there is the matter of the president being elected by only 25% of the US population, and that's indirectly(it went through parlement if I'm correct, and a recount of the votes was dismissed)
I would like to say that protesting is a way of offering resistance to all this, but I know most of the pacifist protesters during the Iraq episode where shot by riotguns. I saw pictures of nasty wounds on american pasifist protesters back then. I can't believe they use the police against their own people in that manner. I know that using the military against a country's own citizen is not allowed(wich would mean a revolution is going on), but there's not much difference here, is there?

It's a pitty really.
And nobody does anything. All this is far too believable to be true... or euhm... not.
 
Now stop and think for a minute.

Surely there have been people in your life whom you wanted to hurt physically, humiliate them, or maybe even kill them. If you say 'no' then you must be lying or maybe we Americans are, in fact, as stale and emotionless as the rest of the world makes us out to be.

Now would you want them to be send into the camp? I think so, yes.
 
that is just sick. i'm wondering how that girl survived 18 months in observation placement--really, if the only exercise you get in there is sitting up and stretching for 10 minutes every hour, wouldn't all your muscle mass waste away?
that guy "jay kay" sounds like an idiot. "'Experience in this job is better than any degree. Am I an educational expert? No. But I know how to hire people to get the job done.'" that's stupid; he oughtta go to jail.
 
Originally posted by LoneDeranger
Now would you want them to be send into the camp? I think so, yes.
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It's not a matter of if I want them to go to that place, it's a matter of if they deserve to go. And I can't think of anyone I know who deserves to be sent there.
 
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