The Moussaoui trial, you decide.

[Gunner]

Life, dont give him the satisfaction of being martyred which will no doubt encourage more young men or women with extreme views to follow in his footsteps.

No wrong, execution doesn't grant martyrdom.

 

[kirovman]

No wrong, execution doesn't grant martyrdom.

It all depends on how people view his death.

If loads of radical followers in the middle east see it as unjust, and as him standing up to the big guy, of course it will make him a martyr, from their point of view.

 

[Sulkdodds]

1. I don't agree with the death penalty usually anyway.
2. Wouldn't it look very, very nice to demonstrate how civilised we are by not executing him?
3. He wants to be a martyr. He can eat shit and (not) die.

edit:

There are far worse tragedies than death.

Life.

I like what you did there.

 

[kirovman]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/4926224.stm

In its annual survey on the death penalty, Amnesty International said 94% of the 2005 executions took place in China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and the US.

Ah, so they're in good company.

 

[Steve]

Giving him death would be contributing to his cause. Let him rot.

 

[Mith']

Life in prison and a slippery soap bar, He'll regret it..

 

[DeusExMachina]

Make sure he's with a lot of American prisoners. I'm sure they'll be oh-so-happy to see him...

 

[Gunner]

It all depends on how people view his death.

If loads of radical followers in the middle east see it as unjust, and as him standing up to the big guy, of course it will make him a martyr, from their point of view.

I thought he was talking about the extremist pov of martyrdom, you know, blow yourself up with infidels and be greeted by 72 virgins. Not the conventional sense of martyrdom. Besides they can't make a martyr out this asshole who basically failed his mission.

"Last year, at least 94 people were executed in Iran, 86 in Saudi Arabia and 60 in the US."

Those numbers are incredibly low, I thought they would be in the hundreds at least.

 

[DEATH eVADER]

Just for the record:

Last I heard - this morning, the doctor thinks he is completely competent and not schizophrenic after-all.

Unless the doctor was on a pay-roll

 

[Sulkdodds]

Er, don't all doctors get payed?

I know that's not what you mean.

 

[B_MAN]

There are far worse tragedies than death.

Life.

well said
i agree
let em rot

 

[kirovman]

Besides they can't make a martyr out this asshole who basically failed his mission.

You'd be suprised who they can make martyrs of.

 

[Parlez]

I would have to say Life in jail, What is getting killed going to do? Let him sit in a cell for the rest of his life. I think that would be more punishment then than death. Just my opinion.

 

[baxter]

Firstly let me apologies for my opening post it was aburpt and sharp, because I had been arguing this on another forum and was kind of annoyed when I posted.

Anyways, it appears everybody accepts the evidence and has made their minds up one way of the other.

I have noticed that a few members wonder why it took so long for this entire evidence to come out and why if they have all this evidence don’t they release it all?

My spin on this, and it is only my spin is that for “due process “ to be run and justice to be seen to be served , everybody is innocent until proven guilty. This can not happen if crucial evidence is circuited prior to a trial.

I have no doubt whatsoever that there are further, even bigger mountains of evidence being held against the others that were involved. From the financiers to the planners and anybody who assisted.

The choice here is simple, they are either pursued and brought to trial or they simply get away with their actions.

If you bring these people to trial the case against them has to be water tight and there as to be no room at all for their defence to argue that they are not getting a fair trial. This will only happen if evidence is kept out of the public domain and presented at trials and to them.

So here is another two options for you.

Option A. Do you wish the US Government and Justice department to pursue and prosecute the rest? In which case evidence must be kept from the public and the cases remain open.
Or
Option B. Do you wish, as many people have called for, all the evidence to be put into the public domain? The US closes the cases and the rest of the accused simply get away with mass murder.


There is no option, C, D etc.

 

[TheAmazingRando]

Life in a prison full of Aryan Nation members.

 

[Sprafa]

so this isn't a debate on the death penalty ?


i was just going to say, i believe one of the fundamental of all of the Human Rights is the right to life. And i believe in that right for one reason.

If we agree with the concept of free will, then we must admit that there is a possibility that correction (reeducation), not termination, of unwanted individuals is the rightful place of the legal system. Arguably, you can convince even Mossaui that his actions were wrong and "reinsert him into society" (words so cliché everyone forgot what they really mean anymore). And that's what should be done, not throwing them away somewhere, or just killing them.

 

[baxter]

so this isn't a debate on the death penalty ?


i was just going to say, i believe one of the fundamental of all of the Human Rights is the right to life. And i believe in that right for one reason.

If we agree with the concept of free will, then we must admit that there is a possibility that correction (reeducation), not termination, of unwanted individuals is the rightful place of the legal system. Arguably, you can convince even Mossaui that his actions were wrong and "reinsert him into society" (words so cliché everyone forgot what they really mean anymore). And that's what should be done, not throwing them away somewhere, or just killing them.

I assume you are directing this question at me, if not I apologies. This is a debate about the death penalty for this one individual and basing your decision on the evidence that is presented. His guilt is not in question as he as already admitted it. His trial is solely to determine his punishment. For anybody to make a decision of this magnitude they have to be presented with all the facts and all the evidence. This is the reason I posted them. The simple knee jerk reaction in this case is not good enough.

Whatever sentence this individual receives in the case will not be based on our own revulsion to his particular crimes but on the evidence that was put forward in his trial.

As you have said one of the fundamental rights is to life itself, something by his own actions and that of his fellow plotters was simply overlooked when they hatched this terrible plan. This right was denied to thousands on 9/11, which is where my sympathy lies, rather that the fate of this individual.

Incidentally, I personelly would prefer he spent the rest of his life locked away.

 

[MiccyNarc]

Life. He needs to meet some big black men.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Life in a prison full of Aryan Nation members.

Same thing as death sentence, almost 100% assured, but quicker than waiting on death row. I agree.

If we agree with the concept of free will, then we must admit that there is a possibility that correction (reeducation), not termination, of unwanted individuals is the rightful place of the legal system. Arguably, you can convince even Mossaui that his actions were wrong and "reinsert him into society" (words so cliché everyone forgot what they really mean anymore). And that's what should be done, not throwing them away somewhere, or just killing them.

Justice is there for punishment. If I carefully plan and execute the murder of a family, but then next week am convinced that what I did was wrong, I should be released? No.

There's a problem where people for some reason think prison is only for rehabilitation and not punishment.

 

[>>FrEnZy<<]

I guess we should try the wall street lawyers and chief executives who knew 911 was coming after this guy.

 

[Max35]

Life in Prison. Solitary Confinement for the duration. Bring on the Insanity.