The One Responsible

scarecrow1 · May 28, 2004

I dont know why but nobody has mentioned this: Breen has been identified as the Administrator of Black Mesa, so in light of this info it really means that Breen was at fault and responsible for the resonance cascade at Black Mesa and not Gordon Freeman. It wasn't his fault, just in the wrong place at the wrong time and he is left to clean it up. Has anyone thought of this? What are your ideas?

Ahnteis · May 28, 2004

It was the Illuminati obviously.

SMT · May 28, 2004

Well, that's why he's the bad guy.

scarecrow1 · May 28, 2004

Isn't it interesting that Breen caused it? He pushed for the experiment to go forth knowing the risks and obviously didn;t care about the huge amount of human lives being lost for this experiment. Which means that there might be a bigger conspiracy in HL2 than in the first one. Maybe Breen is just the middle man and we wont find out who is directly responsible for the entire catasrophe. (Has anyone here read a Matthew Reilly Novel? Just asking, if you have tell me there might be an intersting thought i can share)

SMT · May 28, 2004

Well, I always sort of figured the Administrator, whoever he was, was a pretty shady character ("I theorized this would happen, but the Administrator would not listen!"). My theory is that, in the first game, the character we call the G-Man was actually intended to be the Administrator, but people started calling him the G-Man so Valve created a distinct Administrator charcter for Half-Life 2.

[sl@yer] · May 28, 2004

SMT said:
Well, I always sort of figured the Administrator, whoever he was, was a pretty shady character ("I theorized this would happen, but the Administrator would not listen!"). My theory is that, in the first game, the character we call the G-Man was actually intended to be the Administrator, but people started calling him the G-Man so Valve created a distinct Administrator charcter for Half-Life 2.

Agreed. Valve probably originally intended the gman to be the admin....but then decided to develop the plot further in HL2, after everyone started calling him by his model name.

Stryyder · May 28, 2004

SMT said:
Well, I always sort of figured the Administrator, whoever he was, was a pretty shady character ("I theorized this would happen, but the Administrator would not listen!"). My theory is that, in the first game, the character we call the G-Man was actually intended to be the Administrator, but people started calling him the G-Man so Valve created a distinct Administrator charcter for Half-Life 2.

I don't thinks so because I believe it was pretty obvious that they were two seperate individuals....I also believe that the G-Man did refer to the administrator but I could be wrong.

[sl@yer] · May 28, 2004

Stryyder said:
I don't thinks so because I believe it was pretty obvious that they were two seperate individuals....I also believe that the G-Man did refer to the administrator but I could be wrong.

He referred to his "errrr..employers" but did not mention the administrator. It was not clear at all in the first game that the gman and the admin were 2 different people....and I think they were originally intended to be the same.

ferd · May 28, 2004

scarecrow1 said:
I dont know why but nobody has mentioned this: Breen has been identified as the Administrator of Black Mesa, so in light of this info it really means that Breen was at fault and responsible for the resonance cascade at Black Mesa and not Gordon Freeman. It wasn't his fault, just in the wrong place at the wrong time and he is left to clean it up. Has anyone thought of this? What are your ideas?

How was it Breen's fault?

[sl@yer] · May 28, 2004

ferd said:
How was it Breen's fault?

He means that assuming the admin is Breen, the admin wanted the resonance cascade to happen.

Brian Damage · May 28, 2004

I don't think the G-Man was intended to be the Administrator. The HL code refers to him as an agent.

Agent doesn't match up to administrator, in my book.

[sl@yer] · May 28, 2004

Brian Damage said:
I don't. The HL code refers to him as an agent.

Agent doesn't match up to administrator, in my book.

No idea.....but the model file is called "gman"....as is the sound files folder relating to him. It was only an assumption that when the scientists referred to the admin in HL1 that they meant the gman.

Brian Damage · May 28, 2004

Read my edit for clarification.

[sl@yer] · May 28, 2004

Brian Damage said:
Read my edit for clarification.

I knew what you meant....but that doesn't mean he wasn't originally intended to be the admin. Anyway....it doesn't matter...Valve has developed the story so that they are 2 different people anyway.

Brian Damage · May 28, 2004

Looks like it negates the "G-Man originally = Admin" idea to me. Oh, well. Agreement to disagree it is.

Didymium · May 28, 2004

One interesting thing is that in the diary in the Opposing Force manual you can read that the soldiers were being trained for a mission to Black Mesa months before the experiment.

jabberwock95 · May 28, 2004

I don't know as if the administrator caused the cascade.... In my opinion it really could have been an accident. I mean, nobody (even a government worker) would deliberately open their planet to invasion. Plus, if the incident really was intended so humanity could conquer Xen, wouldn't they have some good people working on it, not a bunch of cowardly scientists and rent-a-cops?

Although letting loads of innocent people get killed sounds like something the government would do, I just don't think humans were prepared enough for the invasion of Xen to be that well planned. As far as I think, the marines and black-ops were only brought in after the test went wrong.

The scientists hints 'I warned them this would happen, but the administrator just wouldn't listen', and 'We warned them, why didn't they listen?'. Sounds to me like a typical ignorant boss-type person, ignoring the scientists because they were slowing down the work and being paranoid, even though he knew nothing about the possibilities for disaster.

Just my opinion...

MindCrafter · May 28, 2004

scarecrow1 said:
I dont know why but nobody has mentioned this: Breen has been identified as the Administrator of Black Mesa, so in light of this info it really means that Breen was at fault and responsible for the resonance cascade at Black Mesa and not Gordon Freeman. It wasn't his fault, just in the wrong place at the wrong time and he is left to clean it up. Has anyone thought of this? What are your ideas?

Use spoiler tags please.

In an interview with one of the guys at valve, they said that Breen was the admin of black mesa and is now the admin of city17

Dile · May 28, 2004

SMT said:
Well, that's why he's the bad guy.

Whoever told you that he was a bad guy?

Seraphim · May 28, 2004

You should note that, no matter who caused it, it was planned for weeks before. You'll notice that Adrian Shepherd says somewhere in the Op:For manual that they had been doing indoor training drills for weeks.

SMT · May 28, 2004

Dile said:
Whoever told you that he was a bad guy?

He's the guy on the big monitor telling you everything's okay. Come on, of course he's the bad guy.

Dile · May 28, 2004

Maybe the government knew that the aliens were going to attack.
And maybe Black Mesa didnt want to stop the teleportation experiments. So the government sent in the gman (government-man) as an "agent".

Dile · May 28, 2004

SMT said:
He's the guy on the big monitor telling you everything's okay. Come on, of course he's the bad guy.

Haha, and you think its as simple as that?

SMT · May 28, 2004

Dile said:
Haha, and you think its as simple as that?

Haha, and your argument consists entirely of questions and no assertions, statements, or opinions of your own?

Dile · May 28, 2004

SMT said:
Haha, and your argument consists entirely of questions and no assertions, statements, or opinions of your own?

Alright so just think about who writes the HL story. Thats it a professional!

NeLi · May 28, 2004

The guy on the monitor seems like the typical manipulative and brainwashing villain to me.

Breen that is.

SMT · May 28, 2004

NeLi said:
The guy on the monitor seems like the typical manipulative and brainwashing villain to me.

Breen that is.

My thoughts exactly. Very Orwellian, as has been discussed previously in the forum. He may not be the highest predator in the chain, but he's a bad guy all right.

PatPwnt · May 28, 2004

guys shut up please... lawl

deathryuu · May 28, 2004

scarecrow1 said:
I dont know why but nobody has mentioned this: Breen has been identified as the Administrator of Black Mesa, so in light of this info it really means that Breen was at fault and responsible for the resonance cascade at Black Mesa and not Gordon Freeman. It wasn't his fault, just in the wrong place at the wrong time and he is left to clean it up. Has anyone thought of this? What are your ideas?

should have put this into a spoiler tag... =|

SMT · May 28, 2004

deathryuu said:
should have put this into a spoiler tag... =|

It's official plot info released by Valve (in magazines and everything), so it's sorta fair game.

scarecrow1 · May 29, 2004

I reckon it would be cool if the main villians were like the "Majestic 12" in the Matthew reilly novel "SCARECROW".

MindCrafter · May 29, 2004

scarecrow1 said:
I reckon it would be cool if the main villians were like the "Majestic 12" in the Matthew reilly novel "SCARECROW".

Not really.

Lobster · May 29, 2004

lol I thought that was just deus ex, shows my wide range of knoledge

Jadewolf5675 · May 29, 2004

Valve/Gabe sais explicitly that one of your enemies will be Dr. Breen.

Skeeze · May 29, 2004

Breen is a administrator...not...THE Administrator....trust me.

RakuraiTenjin · May 29, 2004

Skeeze said:
Breen is a administrator...not...THE Administrator....trust me.

Valve said it's the admin from Black Mesa, same guy.

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