The perils of Dating when you're a Magic the Gathering World Champoin

[Bad^Hat]

I'm actually not trolling. I'm posting the truth about the subject at hand.

I love having discussions with people who have an unshakeable conviction in their own version of the truth.

Haha wait, no I don't, it's tedious and frustrating. Ignore.

 

[ríomhaire]

It's really not as big of a deal as it's being made into.

This is a serious and simple question: What exactly do you think KiplingsCat is objecting to?

 

[dfc05]

This is actually kind of surprising, although I'm struggling to find any sources that back it up, except the one book I'm assuming this references. I'd be interested to know which kinds of jobs these are, or if it's just a broad swath of all sorts of stuff.

There are all kinds of strange statistics for employment, though. I think someone might have posted a while back about the study which showed that attractive women have a harder time getting jobs which are traditionally considered more masculine. It's certainly a concern for those affected, but I'm not sure that it's a great indicator of the general attitude towards less attractive people.

Here ya go: https://webspace.utexas.edu/hamermes/www/Beautystuff.html
It is informed by his own research (it's legit to report your own research, think of it like an oil spill researcher who published analysis on oil concentrations after an oil spill, then talks about it to a journalist - makes sense). I'm not familiar with economics journals so can't speak to the quality of what's posted there; however, they were peer-reviewed. Also, yay UT Austin prof.

Anyways, every time I read KiplingCat's women-mistreatment posts, all I think is "that certainly sounds awful -- what kind of backwards hell hole of a town is she living in?". Because I have never seen any behavior to that degree of rudeness. Now I'm curious as to whether it really is that bad everywhere. I think when people fail to sympathize, it's not because they're evil women-haters, but just that this genuinely doesn't happen around them in real life.

For the record, I'm not just oblivious to these things; I actually do take note of these kinds of comments and remember them. Like one time my friend accidentally called a female professor "Ms." instead of "Dr." four years ago, and I still remember that. But I only see things like this maybe 2 or 3 times per year, not per day. By the way, girls did their fair share of commenting on guys' looks too - there was one young dude prof whom everyone thought was cute and wanted to marry, and there was some rating* going on among the ladies about which engineering major has the hottest guys. Either way, looks were never connected to a judgment on anyone's abilities.

*mechanical engineering won

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

This is a serious and simple question: What exactly do you think KiplingsCat is objecting to?

calling someone an ugly bitch. she told me it was a hateful thing to say and basically I'm interpreting them as saying any comments along those lines are always out of line. I'm saying they may be sometimes but definately not in this case. Then there's the whole 'words hurt' issue that came up and I'm basically saying man up.

but you even admitted it



isnt that the definition of trolling?

just that one liner but the rest of the post is legit.

I love having discussions with people who have an unshakeable conviction in their own version of the truth.

Haha wait, no I don't, it's tedious and frustrating. Ignore.

If someone is unsure of their own position, then why would they argue for it? That'd just be stupid. If you're not sure you're right then why say anything at all? It's not my truth, it's the truth. if 'words hurt' then people gotta man up.

 

[Higlac]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg

This might help some of you.

 

[Eejit]

If someone is unsure of their own position, then why would they argue for it? That'd just be stupid. If you're not sure you're right then why say anything at all? It's not my truth, it's the truth.

The key word Bad Hat used was "unshakeable".

 

[Stylo]

Hey, perhaps if you weren't on such a high horse you'd have been able to read my comments

Braaahhhh, it's not all about you and your comments in this thread, sheesh. Also, high horse defense = Lol, just no. I pointed out people (because others exist) were being hypocritical by insulting her looks and personality because she did it to the dude and is therefore bad and deserving of such abuse, not that they were lower than me in the food chain or that they should all stop being such sinners and accept their wrong doings in the eyes of Allah.

 

[99.vikram]

An argument about whether it's okay to publicly out a bad date devolves into ad hominems and accusations of "why are you defending her, you must have the hots for her!"...

This thread delivers.

 

[Eejit]

Braaahhhh, it's not all about you and your comments in this thread, sheesh.

How silly I was. I assumed that when immediately after quoting me you said "you're being as much as a dick as she was being for writing the blog whilst pretending you're better" that this was referring to me. Why-ever would I get that impression?
But of course when you said "you" you meant "other people excluding you". Or, "they". Obviously.

 

[Bad^Hat]

Here ya go: https://webspace.utexas.edu/hamermes/www/Beautystuff.html
It is informed by his own research (it's legit to report your own research, think of it like an oil spill researcher who published analysis on oil concentrations after an oil spill, then talks about it to a journalist - makes sense). I'm not familiar with economics journals so can't speak to the quality of what's posted there; however, they were peer-reviewed. Also, yay UT Austin prof.

Wow, ok. Thanks, I'll dig through this later if I can find the motivation.

calling someone an ugly bitch. she told me it was a hateful thing to say and basically I'm interpreting them as saying any comments along those lines are always out of line. I'm saying they may be sometimes but definately not in this case. Then there's the whole 'words hurt' issue that came up and I'm basically saying man up.

Man, first ignore since I've been here, and I barely made it last for 24 hours. I'm far too curious for my own good.

But yeah, cool, go tell people who developed crippling depression or anxiety or eating disorders over this stuff to man up, I'm sure that will do them a world of good. Guess what, words do hurt, that's the reality of the matter. Look, I can state facts too! Yeah, of course you have to develop a thick skin if you want to survive in this world, I understand that. As that timeless truism states: life's not fair. The problem I have with your position is that you've apparently taken this to heart to the point where you put all of the responsibility on the victim. That, to me, is completely unjustifiable. If life has dealt a rough hand to someone, then where do you think you get off making it even harder for them by pointing it out at the first opportunity that presents itself? To me, that signals a lack of compassion, which in turn makes me think you're kind of a dick.

I've seen a lot of rationalisations in the thread that she "opened the door" to this kind of criticism by judging him on a superficial characteristic, and that putting her down on her looks is relevant because the context is dating. Well yeah, if you're dating someone then looks are a factor, that's pretty unavoidable. The thing I object to is the implicit statement that she's less worthy of passing this kind of judgement on someone else because her looks make her less eligible. That and, by repeatedly calling her an "ugly bitch," it seems inescapable to me that you're trying to draw a parallel between her attractiveness and her personality. If you think I'm reading too much into this, go ahead and let me know, but I don't understand how someone can justify their statement by saying it's relevant to a certain context one minute, and then denying the implications of that the next.

Not that I'm saying everyone made this judgement with the wilful intent to spread this sentiment - I doubt anyone really did - just that they didn't consider it beforehand. Hence why I said it was inconsiderate.

If someone is unsure of their own position, then why would they argue for it? That'd just be stupid. If you're not sure you're right then why say anything at all?

To talk it out, analyse it, maybe actually explain their reasons for holding a certain belief in order to come to some kind of consensus, or just agree to disagree. On the contrary, if both sides were already utterly convinced of their positions, wouldn't a discussion be completely worthless?

It's not my truth, it's the truth.

Oh, okay.

Did anyone ever tell you that you have an uncanny knack for exemplifying the very things people criticize you for?

This might help some of you.

Yay, I'm so glad everything can be summed up in one snippy little comedy sound bite! Clearly if someone is hurt by being called an ugly bitch, they're just "offended." Thanks so much for the help.

 

[Stigmata]

Life isn't fair, but that's mostly due to people treating others unfairly because they've been told life isn't fair.

 

[Bad^Hat]

Thanks for saying in one sentence what took me several paragraphs. :v

 

[Remus]

Life isn't fair, but that's mostly due to people treating others unfairly because they've been told life isn't fair.

That, and/or:

People treating others unfairly because they've been treated unfairly by others.
That's where the saying "hate breads more hate" comes from.

 

[Bad^Hat]

That's where the saying "hate breads more hate" comes from.

Yeah but some filthy wholemeal probably said that.

 

[Yuri]

That, and/or:

People treating others unfairly because they've been treated unfairly by others.
That's where the saying "hate breads more hate" comes from.

isnt the saying "hate bagels more hate?"

 

[Stigmata]

"Better bread than dead."

 

[Eejit]

Heat breads, more heat!

 

[Acepilotf14]

Let's stop hating and just go get baked.

 

[Dynasty]

''Einhorn IS Finkel. Finkel is Einhorn!....Einhorn is a MAN!...Oh god...Einhorn is a MAN!?''

I cant believe these dating sites though. Just to go off on a tangent.

You get all these free trials things and they fail to mention that it's like $50-70 to sign up each bloody month.

Seriously, anyone using those sites must be seriously desperate. I mean whatever happened to meeting someone at the farmer's market or in the line for your mugshot?