The praying HL2 gold thread

[mchammer75040]

Ok yea if you say so.

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by mchammer75040
Welll shiiiiat since a little black book that has nothing to back up anything it says tells me to believe in a father figure that stands over everyone and tells you were a naughty little boy than it must be true. Really grow up theres facts and theres bullshit.
Facts=science
bullshit=religion

you still dont get it. im not defending christianity. you assume that since i bash atheism that i am a bible thumper, but thats a common blunder. for all you know i could be agnostic or whatever else. ur a typical atheist though, u get hurt, so ur trying to get me where it hurts. well the problem here is, you dont know what my beliefs are, so theres no way you can hurt me. understand?

 

[Dougy]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
lol. he fell into the trap also, he thinks im a jesus freak.

but for all you know i could be agnostic. this is too easy

or you could be a retard with nothing better to do.

get back on subject, witch is HL2 going gold

 

[FoB_Ed]

Someone please lock this thread before it gets any worse? Threads about religion always turn into flame wars.

not some jesus freaks battling it out with "heritics"

lets put it this way

wats more likely some big guy who created the earth and blah blah blah...

Show some respect. Even if you don't believe in it doesn't mean you should insult it. You poor fool, grow up.

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by Dougy
or you could be a retard with nothing better to do.

get back on subject, witch is HL2 going gold

2nd part is right, but i just like proving people wrong when i can in teh same way i like being proved wrong. we can learn something from it.

 

[mchammer75040]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
you still dont get it. im not defending christianity. you assume that since i bash atheism that i am a bible thumper, but thats a common blunder. for all you know i could be agnostic or whatever else. ur a typical atheist though, u get hurt, so ur trying to get me where it hurts. well the problem here is, you dont know what my beliefs are, so theres no way you can hurt me. understand?

No u didnt hurt me yea ur right i assumed u were christian cause it sure damn sounds like you r so if ur not then sorry. As for showing respect i dont mean to be flamin all im doin iss tryin to inform people sometimes it comes out that way because ignorant people unlock the hulk in me.

 

[PvtRyan]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
depends on what science books you are talking about. the teachings that we evolved from apes still cannot be proven and is STILL just a theory. yet some schools teach it as fact.

Surprises me you could read this thread, because your screen can only exist when it is build up out of atoms which shoot electrons at the screen. But then again, the molecule theory, is just a theory right?
You drop off the earth, because the gravity theory is JUST a theory, am I correct?
A theory will always stay a theory, doesn't matter how much evidence you pump into it, a theory is the highest proven hypothesis.
When you hear the word theory, you think of something different than what it actually means in science, it is a hypothesis backed up by enough evidence and experiments.
The evolution theory is a scientific fact, and accepted by all scientists.

I've had many discussions about this subject on other boards, they've led to nothing because of the inability from the creationist side to provide enough evidence.

BTW: you were bashing atheists for assuming that you were a christian, but you do the same thing assuming all atheists accept and stand behind the evolutiontheory. A Darwinist can be either creationist or atheist.

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by PvtRyan
Surprises me you could read this thread, because your screen can only exist when it is build up out of atoms which shoot electrons at the screen. But then again, the molecule theory, is just a theory right?
You drop off the earth, because the gravity theory is JUST a theory, am I correct?
A theory will always stay a theory, doesn't matter how much evidence you pump into it, a theory is the highest proven hypothesis.
When you hear the word theory, you think of something different than what it actually means in science, it is a hypothesis backed up by enough evidence and experiments.
The evolution theory is a scientific fact, and accepted by all scientists.

I've had many discussions about this subject on other boards, they've led to nothing because of the inability from the creationist side to provide enough evidence.

BTW: you were bashing atheists for assuming that you were a christian, but you do the same thing assuming all atheists accept and stand behind the evolutiontheory. A Darwinist can be either creationist or atheist.

nope, you are assuming that i was assuming that all atheists were standing behind the evolution theory, and that is false.

 

[PvtRyan]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
nope, you are assuming that i was assuming that all atheists were standing behind the evolution theory, and that is false.

I wasn't assuming anything, I concluded to it after reading your posts, besides, you just respond to a little sidenote in my post, what about the other 90%?

 

[Gorgon]

Darwin, is the devil himself

 

[Incitatus]

atheism is the cowards refuge.

lol dismissing creationism for lack of evidence not only shows a lack of comprehension of the creationist point of view, but is also tragically ironic.

 

[not28]

Originally posted by mchammer75040
YES ATHIESTS UNITE AND FIGHT BACK AGAINST THE LAMENESS OF CHRISTIANITY!!! :devil
(that was just to piss off bible huggers btw)

Christianity isn't the only religion out there, you know.
/me hates ignorant people

 

[PvtRyan]

Originally posted by Incitatus
atheism is the cowards refuge.

lol dismissing creationism for lack of evidence not only shows a lack of comprehension of the creationist point of view, but is also tragically ironic.

I could easily turn this around:

creationism is the cowards refuge.

lol dismissing evolutiontheory for lack of evidence not only shows a lack of comprehension of the darwinist point of view, but is also tragically ironic.

Give me arguments why, instead of this conservative nonsense.

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by PvtRyan
I wasn't assuming anything, I concluded to it after reading your posts, besides, you just respond to a little sidenote in my post, what about the other 90%?

its false to say all scientists believe in the evolution theory. if you can gather them all together and have them all agree, then i will believe you. till then thats YOUR theory. a theory is not a fact. i know of chrisitian scientists. but i dont have to provide proof of that, for it is you that made the outrageous claim.

and btw, your 'conclusion' which was based upon an assumption, is wrong.

 

[not28]

This thread is pointless. No one will back down, because you're all 100% right. Why? BECAUSE RELIGION IS UP TO PERSONAL OPINION. SO SCREW OFF.

 

[el Chi]

How the HL2.net forums work/evolve (ooh, controversial):
1. Thread posted that has already been posted more coherently elsewhere
2. Someone picks up on a tiny part of:
a) The thread's title
b) The original post
c) One of the immediately subsequent posts
3. Thread looks wobbly - a few people manage to stay on-topic
4. "Debate" gets more heated and often less factual
5. Insults begin to replace legitimate arguments ("your gay"; "n00b"; "retard"; etc.) Ignorance abounds
6. All hell breaks loose thread de-rails completely, flame-war ensues
7. Thread is either closed or moved to off-topic where it belongs.

People people:
Atheists - religions are not such bad things. They have a lot of good points to them, such as guidance through people's lives
Religious people - don't pour scorn onto atheists and brand them moronic heretics or whatever
It's a question of faith so if you don't agree with one another simply call it a day or you may as well bang your head repeatedly against a brick wall for all the help it'll get you.

 

[not28]

Originally posted by el Chi
How the HL2.net forums work/evolve (ooh, controversial):
1. Thread posted that has already been posted more coherently elsewhere
2. Someone picks up on a tiny part of:
a) The thread's title
b) The original post
c) One of the immediately subsequent posts
3. Thread looks wobbly - a few people manage to stay on-topic
4. "Debate" gets more heated and often less factual
5. Insults begin to replace legitimate arguments ("your gay"; "n00b"; "retard"; etc.) Ignorance abounds
6. All hell breaks loose thread de-rails completely, flame-war ensues
7. Thread is either closed or moved to off-topic where it belongs.

People people:
Atheists - religions are not such bad things. They have a lot of good points to them, such as guidance through people's lives
Religious people - don't pour scorn onto atheists and brand them moronic heretics or whatever
It's a question of faith so if you don't agree with one another simply call it a day or you may as well bang your head repeatedly against a brick wall for all the help it'll get you.

:cheers:

 

[PvtRyan]

Originally posted by not28
This thread is pointless. No one will back down, because you're all 100% right. Why? BECAUSE RELIGION IS UP TO PERSONAL OPINION. SO SCREW OFF.

No it ain't, the existence of an omnipotence has nothing to do with opinion, it can be proven or dismissed. Choosing the religion you want to believe is an opinion. So yes, arguing which religion is better (for example christianty and the islam) is retarded, but discussing about the existence of a higher power isn't. And no, atheism isn't a religion, neither is science.

its false to say all scientists believe in the evolution theory. if you can gather them all together and have them all agree, then i will believe you. till then thats YOUR theory. a theory is not a fact. i know of chrisitian scientists. but i dont have to provide proof of that, for it is you that made the outrageous claim.

and btw, your 'conclusion' which was based upon an assumption, is wrong.

The theory is a fact, a scientific fact as I said, not 100% proven, but enough to declare it a fact. Anyway, all evidence is in favor of the evolutiontheory, not the creation"theory".

 

[Chris D]

How the flying **** did this topic go from a gold thread, to a debate about religion?

Jesus.... erm.... Jeez guys, I know stuff about HL2 and going gold has been posted a lot recently, but managing to get "The praying HL2 gold thread" turned into a heated debate about religion is a bit messed up. I skipped straight to the last page, so I may be missing something, but it looks really bad from here.

 

[not28]

No it ain't, the existence of an omnipotence has nothing to do with opinion, it can be proven or dismissed.

Yeah, you're obviously doing a great job at it...

 

[poseyjmac]

im not getting into that can of worms where someone makes points for christiainity and then someone makes counterpoints, and it keeps going.

what i stated in the beginning was atheism is closeminded ignorance in and of itself, because no one can prove it. it would be better to just say, hey i dont know, what happens happens(agnostic), instead of coming to a conclusion that cant be proven.

 

[PvtRyan]

Originally posted by Chris_D
How the flying **** did this topic go from a gold thread, to a debate about religion?

Jesus.... erm.... Jeez guys, I know stuff about HL2 and going gold has been posted a lot recently, but managing to get "The praying HL2 gold thread" turned into a heated debate about religion is a bit messed up. I skipped straight to the last page, so I may be missing something, but it looks really bad from here.

Well, if they wanna discuss it, then fine, I'll join. But I'm going to sleep now.

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by PvtRyan
No it ain't, the existence of an omnipotence has nothing to do with opinion, it can be proven or dismissed. Choosing the religion you want to believe is an opinion. So yes, arguing which religion is better (for example christianty and the islam) is retarded, but discussing about the existence of a higher power isn't. And no, atheism isn't a religion, neither is science.



The theory is a fact, a scientific fact as I said, not 100% proven, but enough to declare it a fact. Anyway, all evidence is in favor of the evolutiontheory, not the creation"theory".

ur on a roll man.. ok here we go

1. lol, if its not 100% proven, IT IS NOT A FACT!

2. you say ALL evidence is in favor of the evolution theory. so ur saying you have inventory of every piece of evidence ever gathered in this universe, and you can safely say that none of it supports creationism?
if this is the case, then you must be god to have the uncanny ability to track down everything, so you have disapproved your own belief system because this would mean that you are god.

 

[el Chi]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
what i stated in the beginning was atheism is closeminded ignorance in and of itself, because no one can prove it. it would be better to just say, hey i dont know, what happens happens(agnostic), instead of coming to a conclusion that cant be proven.

How is atheism any less "ignorant" (according to your definition) than religion - please for the love of all that is good and pure note that I did NOT say religion was ignorant per se.
Atheists say: There is no God. This is how the Universe is.
Rleigions (excepting Buddhism, natch) say: God controls and creates all. this is how the Universe is.

Either way you're coming to a conclusion that can't be proven or disproven. It's all relative, subjective and a barrel of laughs.

 

[PvtRyan]

Originally posted by not28
Yeah, you're obviously doing a great job at it...

What the hell? I'm not even discussing the content of evolution right now, so if you can't do anything but bash, su.

what i stated in the beginning was atheism is closeminded ignorance in and of itself, because no one can prove it. it would be better to just say, hey i dont know, what happens happens(agnostic), instead of coming to a conclusion that cant be proven.

You're right the existence of a higher power can't be totally ruled out. Just because of the fact there is no solid definition of a god.
You can't prove something is not right if you don't know what to prove.
Creationists said that God created us in all our glory not so long ago, science proved them wrong, then they said, God started evolution, then we proved abiogenesis, so they said he started the big bang.... you see my point?
You can make it highly unlikely at best, and we've come a long way.
It's clear that this universe doesn't need a God, all processes function without it, it would only make it more complicated by introducing an intelligent power.

But im really going to sleep now.

 

[el Chi]

Here's a thought:
God exists and designed evolution, set the ball rolling, et voila. Millions of years later, humans reigned and had irreconsilable arguments on the internet.

Close thread.
Or move it.






<Dons flame-retardant clothing>

 

[PvtRyan]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
ur on a roll man.. ok here we go

1. lol, if its not 100% proven, IT IS NOT A FACT!

2. you say ALL evidence is in favor of the evolution theory. so ur saying you have inventory of every piece of evidence ever gathered in this universe, and you can safely say that none of it supports creationism?
if this is the case, then you must be god to have the uncanny ability to track down everything, so you have disapproved your own belief system because this would mean that you are god.

Alright, one more post then....

1: you can't prove ANYTHING for a full 100%, that is impossible. Prove that the world behind you still exists the moment you turn around. You cant. Prove that 1+1=2, you cant. You can just make it highly (un)likely.

2: sure there is stuff that support creationism, but dwarfed by the evidence for evolution. But I wanna emphasize that evolution does not rule out creation (it's just not very logical though

 

[poseyjmac]

<pulls out flame thrower and shoots el chi but realizes it has no effect> Blast!

 

[Mmw]

erm was a hl2 gold thread but turned in to a flame fest so closing...

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by PvtRyan
Alright, one more post then....

1: you can't prove ANYTHING for a full 100%, that is impossible. Prove that the world behind you still exists the moment you turn around. You cant. Prove that 1+1=2, you cant. You can just make it highly (un)likely.

2: sure there is stuff that support creationism, but dwarfed by the evidence for evolution. But I wanna emphasize that evolution does not rule out creation (it's just not very logical though

i suppose it all comes down to nothing really exists. no one can defeat that copout. well on a forum anyway