The US Pledge of Allegiance

[Calanen]

I am not sure what to make of this. Perhaps I'll just post it and see what everyone has to say about it.

http://rexcurry.net/pledgeban.html

 

[baxter]

It is offensive, children.... segregation!!!

The point is ?

 

[bliink]

Looks like some nutcase's rant webpage to me.

 

[Calanen]

Yes Bliink - indeed thats what I thought too. But I probably should have been more specific about what held my interest. You would guess from my previous posts where my loyalty lies, and it is of course not with someone who says things like this.

But - the one thing that I thought was particularly troubling - is that you have a picture, apparently (who knows with Photoshop now) of children raising their arm in salute - and people say this means that children in the USA were nazis? Or that the pledge of allegiance was some form of nazi ritual? Yes of course this is crazy stuff.

The thing that interested me was this guy saying that the picture of the children raising their arms, even if American was banned by Ebay as being a nazi photograph. This seems to be politcal correctness gone mad.

Of course, hard to know whether Ebay did or not. But if its clearly an American flag (and appears to be) why ban the photograph from being sold? Does anyone who raises their arm, even before the were Nazis - mean that they will be considered to be nazis?

 

[short recoil]

Political correctness gone mad, you should visit the UK.

 

[Calanen]

Short Recoil - there were a few stories about political correctness gone mad in the UK I liked:

- a major supermarket implemented a policy of using grey garbage bags, and banned the use of black garbage bags - because the use of black garbage bags meant apparently that the Supermarket was saying black people were garbage or trash;

- banning of the song 'baa baa black sheep' from kindergartens because it was clearly racist

- banning the hanging of the union jack because it might alienate the ethnic population of britain:

http://www.student.city.ac.uk/~rc391/jubbly/feud/feud_pw.html

 

[Apos]

Yes: the original salute in the the US was indeed the Nazi salute. If you can find anyone who's older than WW2, they will confirm this, though they don't like to talk about it. Also, the words "under God" were added in the 50s: they aren't some longstanding tradition that goes back to the founders.

 

[Kangy]

Calanen, that's all just stuff overhyped by the media. It's not that bad, y'know. I use a black bin bag every day, and this house across my road has a Union Jack on their conservatory roof. Our idiot media likes to take things too far to try and convince us that "THE NASTY ASYLUM SEEKERS WILL EAT YOUR BRAIN".

 

[Calanen]

Calanen, that's all just stuff overhyped by the media. It's not that bad, y'know. I use a black bin bag every day, and this house across my road has a Union Jack on their conservatory roof. Our idiot media likes to take things too far to try and convince us that "THE NASTY ASYLUM SEEKERS WILL EAT YOUR BRAIN".

I agree that one council doing something, or a few councils hardly means that its the overwhelming policy of Britains. But that sort of rubbish needs to be stomped on hard, otherwise, it will be pervasively backed up by legislation and perhaps it will be too late to change once it is entrenched. And then kids will be saying 'Union Jack - thats the racist flag mummy! Put it away.... the teacher at school told us so!'

 

[Calanen]

To give you an example of what I mean, have a look at what happened in Dutch schools:

http://dutchreport.blogspot.com/2005/02/dutch-flag-prohibited.html

 

[Combine Elite]

'cept one important thing here , none of the children in your picture are white. Nazi's believed in the Master Race. Uber Mench that were blonde and blue eyed. I see none of that there. Matter of fact it was considered death for a person of Jewish blood to even salute a Nazi. I wonder hoe hitler would have taken that photo ?

 

[Calanen]

Combine - I did notice they were black but it seems that they are.

I guess - it was just whether any1 who raises there arm, even before there were nazis must be a Nazi? That seems a bit silly.

But I think Ebay was just playing it safe. Banning one photo is a small price to pay for a bit of peace from the media accusing them of being nazi sympathisers.

 

[Kebean PFC]

Political correctness is stupid imo. In the US Christmas break is now "Winter Break." oh and forget Easter too, that is now a "Spring holiday."

 

[Razor]

Before World War 2, there was also an American Infantry division called the 45th who used the Swastika as their emblem, it was a proper Swastika, not the backward Nazi one. When Hitler started using the backwards Swastika, they changed their emblem to a bird and renamed themselves the 45th Infantry Division "The Thunderbirds".

 

[Gray Fox]

Ebay is wrong, just becauset he nazis ruined the salute and swastika doesn ot mean we have to ban it. If we do that we are just beeing ignorant, and ignorance is what put the nazi regime in power.