The War on Britain's Jews

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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=H7jbZ8HhK1Y <- Part 1

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=H7jbZ8HhK1Y <- Part 2

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hgfMmsaed64 <- Part 3

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=F50Fji0Jbbg <- Part 4

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ysY8YnhMj3Y <- Part 5

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aUyVbE8XW4M <- Part 6

You know, I didn't really think it was THAT bad. I mean after all, I did see some guys with kippahs jogging when I was in London. Already knew about Ken Livingstone and the MPAC. Still, pretty informative. Especially their situation in Britain during the 30s. Also, their coverage of the Britain's left-wing "The Statesman"'s use of new-age Nazi propaganda was pretty disgusting. The Jews' situation in Britain can be imagined, since it's pretty much the same here in Denmark(police escort when moving around to prevent attacks), but by God, I never imagined a Jewish school would need that much protection in England. I also learned quite a bit about the BNP.
 
Nemesis6 said:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=H7jbZ8HhK1Y <- Part 1

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=H7jbZ8HhK1Y <- Part 2

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hgfMmsaed64 <- Part 3

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=F50Fji0Jbbg <- Part 4

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ysY8YnhMj3Y <- Part 5

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aUyVbE8XW4M <- Part 6

You know, I didn't really think it was THAT bad. I mean after all, I did see some guys with kippahs jogging when I was in London. Already knew about Ken Livingstone and the MPAC. Still, pretty informative. Especially their situation in Britain during the 30s. Also, their coverage of the Britain's left-wing "The Statesman"'s use of new-age Nazi propaganda was pretty disgusting. The Jews' situation in Britain can be imagined, since it's pretty much the same here in Denmark(police escort when moving around to prevent attacks), but by God, I never imagined a Jewish school would need that much protection in England. I also learned quite a bit about the BNP.
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the less i hear about religious people the better.
 
Cba watching it, I would have imagined you would have supported the BNP. They are bastards though.
 
The War on Britian's Jews? This is news to me.
 
Don't Muslims have generally racist views about everyone, even different sects of Islam.
 
Yeah, well. You support Chavez, so lets all just focus on that like usual.
 
Solaris said:
Cba watching it
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Then don't post in the thread.

If it's what I think it is (can't watch YouTube from here), I saw part of it on TV the other day. It's actually kinda frightening.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Gray Fox said:
Yeah, well. You support Chavez, so lets all just focus on that like usual.
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Perfect retort, you stated a blatantly bullshit generalization on a group of people and thought it was possible to be racist against an ideology.

But yeh, I support chavez so it's alright to be bigot. Funny you say that, yet every debate we've had on the matter, I've held my position strongly and come out well in every debate, none of which I recall you playing a particularly large role in so shut the **** up.
 
Solaris said:
Perfect retort, you stated a blatantly bullshit generalization on a group of people and thought it was possible to be racist against an ideology.

But yeh, I support chavez so it's alright to be bigot.
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It's was kind of a joke about the usual way thing go here. No matter what someone says, they can always diffuse the situation by yelling solaris supports Chavez, and the ganging op on you to feel better about themselves.

And your wrong, racism may not be the best word, but discrimination, and general intolerance for the smallest and most idiotic reasons is pretty much supported and hailed by their holy book, be it against their own woman, or sunni's vs shia's, Wahhabist vs Kharijites. If you practice Islam you practice intolerance and discrimination, otherwise you're just pretending to follow the Quran.
 
Gray Fox said:
It's was kind of a joke about the usual way thing go here. No matter what someone says, they can always diffuse the situation by yelling solaris supports Chavez, and the ganging op on you to feel better about themselves.

And your wrong, racism may not be the best word, but discrimination, and general intolerance for the smallest and most idiotic reasons is pretty much supported and hailed by their holy book, be it against their own woman, or sunni's vs shia's, Wahhabist vs Kharijites. If you practice Islam you practice intolerance and discrimination, otherwise you're just pretending to follow the Quran.
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I'd like to apologies for being rude, in retrospect what you posted was quite clever I'm sorry I did not get the joke you made.

I agree with you, Islam demands intolerance and bigotry and even violence against non-believers, but most Muslims haven't even read the book they call the word of god and are decent people, I'm friends with several of them and I think if you were, you would understand that.
 
Pretty f***king sad situation. It just seems like there's not an end to this nonsense.
 
damn jews, when are they going to learn....


D:
 
wow

Breathtaking...
One point of optimism,
in 1938-45 no one was able to make that kind of TV-documentary.
Glad to see, for a change, a different kind of Britons.
 
I've only just started watching this, but I'm suspicious of its motivations and accuracy right from the off. For a start it's presented by Richard Littlejohn, an obnoxious and arrogant little prick who writes hateful diatribes in the Daily Mail. He described the prostitutes who were murdered in Ipswich earlier this year as "disgusting, drug-addled street whores" and their deaths as "no great loss", so excuse me if I find his appeals to emotion somewhat suspect.

Then there's the moronic tagline 'The new anti-Semitism: How the Left reversed history to bring Judaism under attack', reminiscent of US neocon propaganda. In the intro he uses the example of Mayor of London Ken Livingstone and his insulting of a Jewish reporter as a means of undermining the so-called 'anti-racist Left'. Okay, let's ignore the fact that Livingstone was investigated over this and judged NOT to have made any racist comments, and also ignore the fact that Livingstone made those comments because the reporter worked for the Evening Standard, a newspaper which historically supported the fascism which Littlejohn attacks in this film! For someone who's always quick to shout that 'it's political correctness gone mad...!' Littlejohn's not shy about using it for his own questionable aims, is he? I mean I'm no fan of Livingstone any more, but let's have some accuracy and less fallacy please. Littlejohn's retarded attempts to polarise British politics along the same lines as what happens in the US should be recognised for what they are.

Also in this film (from what I've seen so far) you get genuinely tragic, historical footage randomly interspersed with rants against the BNP and scattered, individual stories of modern day jews being persecuted. Like I say, I'm suspicious of any appeal to emotion from this prick, especially when it's liberally scattered with dubious generalisations of the muslim community.

I'm sure there is a lot to be concerned about with discrimination against british jews - or any minority. If the problem's really as big as is made out in this film then the Jewish community should shoot themselves for allowing the film to be made by a reporter with zero integrity, who distorts the message at every opportunity in order to strengthen his own hard-right stance.
 
Ironically, the Daily Mail supported the fascists in the 1930s.
 
I've only just started watching this, but I'm suspicious of its motivations and accuracy right from the off. For a start it's presented by Richard Littlejohn, an obnoxious and arrogant little prick who writes hateful diatribes in the Daily Mail. He described the prostitutes who were murdered in Ipswich earlier this year as "disgusting, drug-addled street whores" and their deaths as "no great loss", so excuse me if I find his appeals to emotion somewhat suspect.
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Gotta admit, he really doesn't seem like a nice guy at all. The Daily Mail column he wrote seems quite evil.

Then there's the moronic tagline 'The new anti-Semitism: How the Left reversed history to bring Judaism under attack', reminiscent of US neocon propaganda. In the intro he uses the example of Mayor of London Ken Livingstone and his insulting of a Jewish reporter as a means of undermining the so-called 'anti-racist Left'. Okay, let's ignore the fact that Livingstone was investigated over this and judged NOT to have made any racist comments, and also ignore the fact that Livingstone made those comments because the reporter worked for the Evening Standard, a newspaper which historically supported the fascism which Littlejohn attacks in this film! For someone who's always quick to shout that 'it's political correctness gone mad...!' Littlejohn's not shy about using it for his own questionable aims, is he? I mean I'm no fan of Livingstone any more, but let's have some accuracy and less fallacy please. Littlejohn's retarded attempts to polarise British politics along the same lines as what happens in the US should be recognised for what they are.
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Can't remember the line you posted about neocons, sorry. Anyway, Ken Livingstone is a perfect example of the anti-Israel left, and he stringed that point together alright in my opinion. Shame he didn't involve George Galloway, as he's more vile that the disgusting Ken Livingstone. Seriously, the way Ken Livingstone acted towards that reporter WAS racist. First, you don't just casually accuse people of being Nazis. Second, when you find out that the person you SHOULDN'T have called a Nazi is Jewish, you SHUT THE **** UP and feel like a piece of shit. Ken Livingstone did neither. Imagine if the reporter had been black and had been a black Panther earlier in his life and Ken had told him to go work in the cotton fields. THAT would have generated huge outrage. But he was just a Jew.

Also in this film (from what I've seen so far) you get genuinely tragic, historical footage randomly interspersed with rants against the BNP and scattered, individual stories of modern day jews being persecuted. Like I say, I'm suspicious of any appeal to emotion from this prick, especially when it's liberally scattered with dubious generalisations of the muslim community.
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Only problem I found here is that you mention dubious generalizations of the Muslim community. What do you mean by this?

I'm sure there is a lot to be concerned about with discrimination against british jews - or any minority. If the problem's really as big as is made out in this film then the Jewish community should shoot themselves for allowing the film to be made by a reporter with zero integrity, who distorts the message at every opportunity in order to strengthen his own hard-right stance.
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Well, as far as I know, there haven't really been that much about this... http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Anti-semitism+UK doesn't seem to show much.
 
We've discussed what Ken Livingston did here, and I can't remember why, but someone I think Sulkdodds explained what happened and it made me support Livingston 100%. Good post Laivasse
 
So, you support calling a Jew a concentration camp guard? You say you support him completely, and I find that disgusting. Sorry.

Let me give you an example of what I'm talking about: Instead of being a racist asshole, Livingstone could have elaborated. Instead, he chose anti-semitism. And you support that 100%?
 
I ****ing love Livingstone after researching what he said:

Finegold: Mr Livingstone, Evening Standard. How did tonight go?
Livingstone: How awful for you. Have you thought of having treatment?
Finegold: How did tonight go?
Livingstone: Have you thought of having treatment?
Finegold: Was it a good party? What does it mean for you?
Livingstone: What did you do before? Were you a German war criminal?
Finegold: No, I'm Jewish, I wasn't a German war criminal and I'm actually quite offended by that. So, how did tonight go?
Livingstone: Ah right, well you might be [Jewish], but actually you are just like a concentration camp guard, you are just doing it because you are paid to, aren't you?
Finegold: Great, I have you on record for that. So, how was tonight?
Livingstone: It's nothing to do with you because your paper is a load of scumbags and reactionary bigots.
Finegold: I'm a journalist and I'm doing my job. I'm only asking for a comment.
Livingstone: Well, work for a paper that doesn't have a record of supporting fascism.
 
FFS, I was at the end of a big reply to Nemesis and Opera crashed.

Basically the most important point I made was that your analogy, Nemesis, of Livingstone speaking to an ex-Black panther is highly inaccurate.

What would be an accurate comparison would be Ken speaking to a black guy who had antecedents who were slaves, and then figuratively calling this man a slave driver - in order, shall we say, to criticise this guy for employing workers in crappy conditions at less than minimum wage. For the analogy to be complete, the black guy would in turn have to be working for an organisation that once supported the slave trade. Highly insensitive? Maybe, who cares. Racist? No. In fact it would make a good if uncomfortable point.

It was for his insensitivity and belligerence in the matter that Livingstone was chastised, not any racist edge to his words. For Littlejohn to use the incident to undermine Livingstone's anti-racist credentials just smacks of fallacy, especially considering Littlejohn's own bigoted views and the paper he works for.

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Nemesis said:
Only problem I found here is that you mention dubious generalizations of the Muslim community. What do you mean by this?
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To be clear, I find his motivations in making these generalisations to be dubious. I accept that the muslim community is, in general terms, quite prejudiced. You might have seen my posts in other threads slating Islam.

But disliking a group's prejudicial and ignorant behaviour is different from fundamentally disliking a group of people due to prejudices of your own. Littlejohn criticises the BNP as a far right fascist group, but the kind of hardline conservative stance that Littlejohn holds often translates to persecution of minorities - including Jewish ones - when transposed to the real world. For instance he really buys into the xenophobic war-on-terror, muslims-please-behave-yourselves stuff which this government has been pushing. Who do you think most sympathises with this rhetoric? Who do you think really gets fired up over it? It's working class, white, angry paki-bashers and jew-beaters who read the Daily Mail, vote for the BNP, react badly to anything remotely alien and complain constantly about people 'playing the race card' and how 'it's political correctness gone mad!' People do sometimes play the race card and political correctness is a bit mad, but people like him do nothing to smooth the situation.

Anyway, that is why I distrust his reporting. I would be interested in seeing a more measured, rational treatment of the plight facing British jews without all this 'crazy lefties!' crap chucked in.
 
Admitted, Littlejohn's a pillock, but I only saw short bits of the program and I can't put a name to a face. However, I do live in a really weird part of England, full of some of the most hateful people you'll meet. When I was in school, a large number of Muslim kids would come out with the usual "Jews are evil because of [insert conspiracy]", and then the white kids were all BNP-scum who would always go on about how scummy they thought the Jews were.

-Angry Lawyer
 
I don't understand how a hardline conservative like Littlejohn bashes the BNP, surely no-one's more right-wing than them.

From Wikipedia
Campbell cited David Aaronovitch's description of Littlejohn's novel as a "400-page recruiting pamphlet for the BNP".
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See, it doesn't make sense. Is he just trying to improve his image or something? Or is it just that most of the things he stands for a right-wing, but he doesn't stand for everything that is right-wing?
 
Gray Fox said:
Don't Muslims have generally racist views about everyone, even different sects of Islam.
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/looks at the different sects of Islams slaughtering eachother in Iraq.

Yes, there are examples of that.
 
The Jews have always been looked down upon. Even after 7/7/2004, a poll showed that more Britons had negative opinions of Jews than they did of Muslims.

Hitler only did was everyone else was thinking. Hell, he'd find more support today, across Europe, than he did in the '20s and '30s.
 
Amazing...
No one has anything to say about the points given in the article (almost no one).
Most of you are just hanging around: the reporter is ... yada yada yada.

Nothing to say about the place YOU live in.

More then ever, Edmund Burke was and is right.
courageous people you are.

Whats going on in YOUR 'neighborhood'? what do you think about YOUR 2007-society?
 
To be honest, the certain parts in the left and the far-right are not the only ones to blame. Let me cite an example of where we fail: An Imam goes up to talk, and we all know what happens when he does: "Al mout li Israil", Itbach al yahud (slaughter the Jews) may Allah grant the Mujahideen victory in (insert Chechnya, Iraq, Afghanistan, or any other place Muslims are killing for the sake of Allah), and stop the curse the kuffar. This happened in Norway. Tapes about all this common stuff in mosques was circulated and the police did nothing because such language was "common rhetoric" or something to that specific effect. In other words; they've said it before, and we didn't act then, so we can't act now.

Littlejohn's personality aside, he makes a good point in connecting "certain elements" of the left with anti-Semitism when they blatently support those engage in it. No way around this one. March down a street declaring support for a terrorist organization that wants the West destroyed, along with the Jews, and you've waterproofed that stamp on your soul that says "horrible person". You can pick either "horrible person" or "useful idiot", but at the end it's the same when applied to a person who supports terror and evil. Well, either one of those two or "United Nations", but that's a different story we'll tell to kids in Liberia at another time... :x
 
As a proud member of the left, I call upon you to provide evidence that we are anti-semitic, it's ****ing retarded.
 
Children! Children! Stop argueing and listen ...

... Ch!Ch!Ch!Ch!Ch!Ch!Ch!Ch!Ch!Ch!

OH GOD! IT'S THE JESUS TRAIN! GUESS WHATS MISSING?

UR! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

But orly, we need to get back on topic. The War on Britains Jews. Yes, it is happening.
 
K e r b e r o s said:
Children! Children! Stop argueing and listen ...

... Ch!Ch!Ch!Ch!Ch!Ch!Ch!Ch!Ch!Ch!

OH GOD! IT'S THE JESUS TRAIN! GUESS WHATS MISSING?

UR! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

But orly, we need to get back on topic. The War on Britains Jews. Yes, it is happening.
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It's not.
 
You're an idiot. You really are Solaris. I hope you're just trying to provoke people by posting stupid shit like this.
 
It's not.
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Is too. My daddies bigger then your daddy!

Jack Fischel, chair of history at Millersville University of Pennsylvania, writes that the new anti-Semitism is a new phenomenon stemming from what he calls an "unprecedented coalition" of enemies: "leftists, vociferously opposed to the policies of Israel, and right-wing antisemites, committed to the destruction of Israel, [who] were joined by millions of Muslims, including Arabs, who immigrated to Europe ... and who brought with them their hatred of Israel in particular and of Jews in general." It is this new political alignment, he argues, that makes new antisemitism unique. [22] Mark Strauss of the political magazine Foreign Policy links it to anti-globalism, describing it as "the medieval image of the 'Christ-killing' Jew resurrected on the editorial pages of cosmopolitan European newspapers. It is the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement refusing to put the Star of David on their ambulances ... It is neo-Nazis donning checkered Palestinian kaffiyehs and Palestinians lining up to buy copies of Mein Kampf." [23]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_antisemitism
 
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