The worst chemical attack ever?

[Razor]

2000's - America invades Iraq and forces Saddam to stand trial for war crimes, some of which include the chemical attacks against the Kurds.
1990's - America calls Saddam an evil tyrant for chemical attacks against the Kurds.
1980's - Saddam launches chemical attacks against the Kurds
1970's - America ends chemical attacks against the Cambodian's and the Vietnamese civilians
1960's - America starts chemical attacks against the Cambodian's and the Vietnamese civilians.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4494347.stm

 

[Foxtrot]

2000's - America invades Iraq and forces Saddam to stand trial for war crimes, some of which include the chemical attacks against the Kurds.
1990's - America calls Saddam an evil tyrant for chemical attacks against the Kurds.
1980's - Saddam launches chemical attacks against the Kurds
1970's - America ends chemical attacks against the Cambodian's and the Vietnamese civilians
1960's - America starts chemical attacks against the Cambodian's and the Vietnamese civilians.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4494347.stm

Are you refering to Agent Orange? I think you forgot about WWI in that, America has nothing to do with these really and the article was obviously (I am not going to waste my team reading garbage like that) written by some America-hating asshole.

 

[kirovman]

Are you refering to Agent Orange? I think you forgot about WWI in that, America has nothing to do with these really and the article was obviously (I am not going to waste my team reading garbage like that) written by some America-hating asshole.

The link is to the BBC.

Probably one of the most unbiased news sources in the world.

And what Razor posted wasn't even a quote from the link.

 

[the_lone_wolf]

The link is to the BBC.

Probably one of the most unbiased news sources in the world.

i love how some americans are so aware of what the world beyond what bush tells them is actually like, and that they are willing to tell the rest of the world about it too

/sarcasm:dozey:

 

[Razor]

Are you refering to Agent Orange? I think you forgot about WWI in that, America has nothing to do with these really and the article was obviously (I am not going to waste my team reading garbage like that) written by some America-hating asshole.

Yes, Agent Orange, America using very highly toxic and extremely dangerous chemicals against crops, villages and vegetation. The companies also had to donate hundreds of millions of dollars to help the American veterans effected by it.

 

[Polaris]

And what about Om-shinrikyo sarin terrorist attack in Tokio - 1995 ? Its very important chemical terrorist attack.

 

[kirovman]

And what about Om-shinrikyo sarin terrorist attack in Tokio - 1995 ? Its very important chemical terrorist attack.

That was a terrible Sarin gas attack yes, but this is about governments who use chemical weapons, rather than terrorist groups or individuals.

 

[Polaris]

And what about WW I. ??

 

[lister]

HIROSHIMA

http://www.doug-long.com/hiroshim.htm

 

[Polaris]

HIROSHIMA

http://www.doug-long.com/hiroshim.htm

Sorry its not chemical attack but nuclear....

 

[kmack]

Are you refering to Agent Orange? I think you forgot about WWI in that, America has nothing to do with these really and the article was obviously (I am not going to waste my team reading garbage like that) written by some America-hating asshole.

lol, what an ass, if you arent going to bother to read the post, dont bother to respond (check the sig) that comment you just made is more flamebait than the original article, and i dont see a source behind your drivel. pretending it didnt happen doesnt make that true, sorry.

 

[Mr-Fusion]

Yes Agent Orange was used in Vietnam. All sorts of hideous mutations are evident in the children who were born in those areas where it was used. The vietnamese sought compensation from the American government. The case was thrown out.

A 150+ million dollar out of court settlement (from the chemical companies who made the stuff) was awarded to American soldiers who were exposed to it.

 

[CptStern]

I am not going to waste my team reading garbage like that) written by some America-hating asshole.

The link is to the BBC.

Probably one of the most unbiased news sources in the world.

And what Razor posted wasn't even a quote from the link.

zing!!



Gulf War syndrome affects as many as 45,000 US and UK vets of the first war in iraq. The many ways it can manifest itself is staggering. Hundreds of thousands soldiers and civilians are currently at risk from depleted uranium that seems to be everywhere in iraq ...which is one of the suspected causes of Gulf War Syndrome

 

[Icarusintel]

Agent Orange turned out to be a bad choice, it happens, I'm sorry for the people affected by it, but there's not much that can be done, and money's certainly not gonna just magically make it disappear, as much as everyone likes to sue it does jack shit for the problem at hand

 

[CptStern]

food giant Mosanto is behind the agent orange that was used in vietnam ...I wonder why they werent mentioned by name in the article? Mosanto is also behind the "terminator" seeds that threaten third world agriculture and genetically modified foods specifically that famous case where they were crossing tomatoes with artic salmon genes to resist frost

 

[kirovman]

Pointless facts:

Did you know, Monsanto bought GD Searle, which Donald Rumsfeld used to be CEO of?

Monsanto was later bought by Phamacia, which is now owned by the conglomerate Pfizer. Which to my interpretation means that Viagra has Agent Orange in it :cheese:

 

[CptStern]

Pointless facts:

Did you know, Monsanto bought GD Searle, which Donald Rumsfeld used to be CEO of?

Monsanto was later bought by Phamacia, which is now owned by the conglomerate Pfizer. Which to my interpretation means that Viagra has Agent Orange in it :cheese:

I did not know that :O

there's an ugly side of most pharmaceutical and chemical corporations it's as if they purposefully promote health products just to cover their harmful products

"Johnson and Johnson makers of baby formula and SarinVX Nerve agent" (may or may not be true)

 

[kirovman]

I did not know that :O

there's an ugly side of most pharmaceutical and chemical corporations it's as if they purposefully promote health products just to cover their harmful products

"Johnson and Johnson makers of baby formula and SarinVX Nerve agent" (may or may not be true)

J&J like to think of themselves above Pfizer, (who have a reputation for making Viagra and things), as caring for families and communities (see baby-care products), and they have some credo about the customer is the most important thing. It was like propaganda posted on all the walls in the factory I visited

Also, I think Pfizer (or Pharmacia) worked together with a Russian company called Biopreperat, who made chemical weapons in the Soviet days.

But I suppose a lot of companies have ugly sides. Didn't Mercedes design the incinerators of the death camps in WW2?
Mitsubishi built Torpedos.

I'd like to know more about this J&J Sarin gas thing...

 

[CptStern]

hehhe I made it up ...but it's not all that far fetched

look into Dow Chemical ..they make everything from personal care products to ...heh ...Agent Orange

companies that it owns also make:

anthrax, gangrene, and the West Nile virus; Alcolac International, Thiodiglycol, the mustard gas precursor, Sarin gas, nuclear weapons systems, chemical weapons systems etc

source

 

[kirovman]

People and organizations involved: Axel Electronics Inc., Dupont, Hewlett Packard...

I might have known, the bastards!

*throws HP printer out of window, inadvertently killing flora and fauna as far as the eye can see*

 

[ModerateCentrist]

Looks like someone ignorant of history has been brainwashed by the BBC again.

 

[Direwolf]

Looks like someoneone ignorant of history has been brainwashed by the BBC again.

Not again!


But yeah, Agent Orange was pretty bad but it's a hell of a claim to call it the worst ever. Theres been some majorly bad things visited upon people over the past century.

 

[Razor]

Not again!


But yeah, Agent Orange was pretty bad but it's a hell of a claim to call it the worst ever. Theres been some majorly bad things visited upon people over the past century.

What i ment about the worst was that it had killed over 400,000 innocent people and was still killing people today, 30 years after it was used. I have never come across a chemical attack against civilians or otherwise that has caused more damage, even the Japanese couldn't kill that much with their plague bombs.

 

[Direwolf]

I've never actually seen a statistic quoted that blamed Agent Orange for 400,000 direct deaths, and I have to say I'm skeptical. It's a rather nasty chemical, but its not even technically supposed to be a lethal weapon.

 

[Razor]

I've never actually seen a statistic quoted that blamed Agent Orange for 400,000 direct deaths, and I have to say I'm skeptical. It's a rather nasty chemical, but its not even technically supposed to be a lethal weapon.

Stern posted the link

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-1102

 

[kmack]

I've never actually seen a statistic quoted that blamed Agent Orange for 400,000 direct deaths, and I have to say I'm skeptical. It's a rather nasty chemical, but its not even technically supposed to be a lethal weapon.

Stern posted the link

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-1102

shhhhaaazam

 

[Direwolf]

Sorry, missed the link. But while I'm not disputing the death toll (seems reasonable considering the size of the contamination) I might caution that the manner of death is usually indirect and the result of disease brought on by the chemicals.
While its a small distinction, it does mean that it's more of a chemical disaster than an outright attack.

 

[kmack]

Sorry, missed the link. But while I'm not disputing the death toll

ummmm

I've never actually seen a statistic quoted that blamed Agent Orange for 400,000 direct deaths, and I have to say I'm skeptical. It's a rather nasty chemical, but its not even technically supposed to be a lethal weapon.

yes you were.

 

[Direwolf]

ummmm
yes you were.

Kmack gets a cookie for missing the point.
The reason I was skeptical is because Agent Orange doesn't exactly cause death on contact. It was supposed to be a nonlethal weapon. So hearing that 400,000 people were killed by it sounds a little extreme.
The article cleared that up and states that they didn't die from just the chemical, but the problems it caused. It's a case of an unclear statistic.

 

[kmack]

Kmack gets a cookie for missing the point.
The reason I was skeptical is because Agent Orange doesn't exactly cause death on contact. It was supposed to be a nonlethal weapon. So hearing that 400,000 people were killed by it sounds a little extreme.
The article cleared that up and states that they didn't die from just the chemical, but the problems it caused. It's a case of an unclear statistic.

no, its pretty freaking clear, 400,000 people were killed by agent orange.

its like saying cyanide doesn kill people, their heart stopping because of it kills people.

but your point is understood, sorry i did that.