There are four Advisors in Episode Two

[Nibwoddle]

Just played through Our Mutual Fiend again, and it turns out that there are four Advisors to be seen in Episode Two. Right after the silo starts closing, one pops up outside, looks at you, the screen goes all fuzzy, and it flies away.

I searched this, and there weren't any results with it.

If you already knew this (and I'm guessing you do), this thread can die.
Just something I'd like to point out.

 

[McGooTheWise]

Just played through Our Mutual Fiend again, and it turns out that there are four Advisors to be seen in Episode Two. Right after the silo starts closing, one pops up outside, looks at you, the screen goes all fuzzy, and it flies away.

I searched this, and there weren't any results with it.

If you already knew this (and I'm guessing you do), this thread can die.
Just something I'd like to point out.

If you missed it (being that valve made it quite noticable that it's there by having it's attack, I'll call it, effect your sight) you have some serious ADD. :/

 

[Iron_cube]

There's still a chance that we're seeing the same one twice or thrice.

Who knows.

 

[Nibwoddle]

Eh. I didn't notice it the first time. I'm not trying to be a noob.

 

[Omnomnick]

Na, I think there is 3 advisors...

The one in the barn that we nearly or possibly do kill.
'It was hurt did you see it...'

The one above the Silo.

and the one at the end accumpanied by the one from the Silo.

 

[Nibwoddle]

Well then, this thread can change into a "debate how many advisors are in Episode Two"

 

[Sneaki]

One of the advisors at the end could've been the one from the barn as well, if it wasn't killed then.

 

[Druckles]

There are not advisors! It's all the Gman!

Yeah, I went there :/

 

[Eejit]

Isn't there one being transported across the bridge near the beginning in a pod as well?

 

[DEATH eVADER]

Na, I think there is 3 advisors...

The one in the barn that we nearly or possibly do kill.
'It was hurt did you see it...'

The one above the Silo.

and the one at the end accumpanied by the one from the Silo.

I reckon there are just the two, just we have seen them multiple times

Advisor One- Bridge, Silo and Hanger
Advisor Two- Barn and Hanger

The First Advisor is the one leading the offensive against White Forest and the Second Advisor is the Pup that you encounter in the Barn, who later on Joins the Commander leading the offensive

 

[99.vikram]

So which one was Breen? Or is he dead?

 

[DEATH eVADER]

So which one was Breen? Or is he dead?

MechaBreen is still up to debate :cheese:

We have still yet to see how the Vortigaunts kill Advisors. From what we have seen Vortigaunts have the same level of power as the Gman, and Gman is a pretty powerful force in his own way. Can vortigaunts counter Advisor telekinisis?

 

[Jeron]

At the end of episode 1, all those pods, aren't those all advisor pods?
Also in the beginning of ep1 you see alot of those pods being transported in the red room.

 

[DEATH eVADER]

At the end of episode 1, all those pods, aren't those all advisor pods?
Also in the beginning of ep1 you see alot of those pods being transported in the red room.

Yes they are, but they were evacuating the Citadel, we don't know if they already had a pre-planned assembly area or whether they were randomly finding a place to relocate, we also don't know if they all managed to survive the explosion, or whether they managed to survive during the crashes.

 

[freakyflor]

So which one was Breen? Or is he dead?

Yeah what the **** happend to Breen?

 

[ríomhaire]

Breen is dead.

 

[z0mbin3]

MechaBreen is still up to debate :cheese:

We have still yet to see how the Vortigaunts kill Advisors. From what we have seen Vortigaunts have the same level of power as the Gman, and Gman is a pretty powerful force in his own way. Can vortigaunts counter Advisor telekinisis?

I don't think you could call him MechaBreen.... Breenvisor? Dr.Advisor? But not MechaBreen.

Yes, I do believe Dr.Breen was "transferred" into an empty Advisor body. Why else would Valve show the recorded message and then show the Advisor coming out right under to screen that the message was on? Valve doesn't just throw crap in for the sake of exposition. It means something very important and obvious. Dr.Breen is now an Advisor.

 

[yakuruto]

Advisor or not, I think that until Valve gives Breen's new body (if it exists) a name, riomhaire and anyone else can call it whatever they like, MechaBreen is as good as Breenvisor...

I'm no so sure Breen's consciousness was successfully transmitted and the Advisor appearing in the screen might be only to indicate that the player was being watched and every movement tracked at that point.

As always, they're all only theories and we'll have to wait until Episode Three to discover a little more about anything going on with the story.

 

[Iron_cube]

As always, they're all only theories and we'll have to wait until Episode Three to discover a little more about anything going on with the story.

Yeah. Just a little more.

Then we wait again.

 

[yakuruto]

Yup, that's what I said, a little more.

Episodic releases are really, really short compared with full-game releases

 

[kupocake]

I reckon there are just the two, just we have seen them multiple times

Advisor One- Bridge, Silo and Hanger
Advisor Two- Barn and Hanger

The First Advisor is the one leading the offensive against White Forest and the Second Advisor is the Pup that you encounter in the Barn, who later on Joins the Commander leading the offensive

That. The Bridge and Barn advisors are clearly meant to be different (the one on the Bridge isn't going to get relaunched, separated and injured) and it seems a safe bet that Valve would limit their numbers to make their bastardry more personal.

Though the one piece of Episode Three concept art we've all seen shows Four advisors...

Episodic releases are really, really short compared with full-game releases

But Valve recently conceded that their Episode development times were hardly 'episodic' in timespan. It wouldn't surprise me if Episode Three ended up even closer to Half-Life 2's length.

 

[Nibwoddle]

Though the one piece of Episode Three concept art we've all seen shows Four advisors...

I haven't seen this. Pic please.

 

[Jeron]

Breen is dead.
Valve has clearly stated that they don't make disneylike stories where people just magically live again. Dead is dead, period. Eli's dead, and Breen is dead. The top of the citadel fell on his head BEFORE his portal ball where he was in reached the top, so he did not teleported away or something.

Valve doesn't screw up stories like Disney does. Totally destroying the climatic ending and the well written hunt of Jack Sparrow with the backstory of his pistol with one bullet, totally destroyed by bringing Barbossa back to live, just like that.

 

[Druckles]

I haven't seen this. Pic please.

First page Googling "Half-Life 2 Episode Three"

And we're on the second.

Yeah what the **** happend to Breen?

Breen is dead.

QFT.

I don't think you could call him MechaBreen.... Breenvisor? Dr.Advisor? But not MechaBreen.

MechaBreen sounds better than either of your suggestions :hmph:

Yes, I do believe Dr.Breen was "transferred" into an empty Advisor body. Why else would Valve show the recorded message and then show the Advisor coming out right under to screen that the message was on? Valve doesn't just throw crap in for the sake of exposition. It means something very important and obvious. Dr.Breen is now an Advisor.

Why would Valve show the recorded message? Because it was creepy. The first time I saw it, even I jumped at first. I was like "oh crap" in the first instant then I figured it was probably an old message. I was much quicker than Alyx who took about 4 more seconds to realise .

And why would they show it, again? Because it got your attention. It made you aware of the screen, like anything they did, it purposefully got your attention in order to show you the advisor.

Personally I think it's perfectly possible for him to be alive or dead, but I'd much prefer it if he were dead. Especially since I took several hours to kill him in the first place, and most of the evidence points to his death. In fact; all the evidence. And even if he were an advisor, what difference would it make? How would we notice the difference?

Sure, he might be alive, but your reasoning is not reasoning.

 

[kupocake]

Valve weren't reminding you of Breen's existence, they were reminding you of what he was talking to. Showing Breen from the front associates your current location with the location original depicted on the monitor Breen talked to... and then what do you know, you're in the Advisory.

edit: Also, Mecha-Hitler

 

[Omnomnick]

Liking the Mecha-hitler...


Anyway, Breen is most likely dead, however there is a small chance that he survived the Citadel Explosion and is somewhere else. However, he won't be 'Mecha-Breen', hes not Mecha-Hitler's brother you know...


Na, just Mecha-Breen sounds really stupid.

 

[Felix]

Breen-o-Bot

 

[Omnomnick]

How is he a bot, he'd be an advisor...

'ya big dummy...ee, what a dummy...' Moe Sizlac

 

[L3N!N]

HM breen bot i think not

Wait, whaaaat/?

I think there might be some relevance to breeen's being shtortled in the ep. 1 part with advisors. the problem is, is there possibly something in ep. 2 that points to breen beeeing and aadvirs?

 

[yakuruto]

But Valve recently conceded that their Episode development times were hardly 'episodic' in timespan. It wouldn't surprise me if Episode Three ended up even closer to Half-Life 2's length.

Well, I meant game length, not development time, but it would be nice if Episode Three really ends up being as long as Half-Life 2 in game-hours (of course, it's a subjective measurement, in the end it depends on the player).

 

[SPARTACVS]

I don't think that Breen was the one in the barn. I think he was possibly the one above the missle silo doors, and definitely the second one from the hanger (that ate Eli's brains), I think the first advisor caught Eli, then let Breen come in for some revenge. If it WAS Breen that killed Eli, I look forward to strangling him with his tongue in Episode Three while asking him if I should give a new subatomic particle his namesake so he won't be completely forgotten.

 

[Nibwoddle]

Breen is dead. He didn't kill Eli, he's dead. He's not an Advisor.

 

[DoctorWeeTodd]

Breen is alive! It would be idiotic for Valve to reveal the prospect of the host body, replay that speech while a pod that may hold a speculated host body exits and totally abandon this thread along with a truly great character, who also so happens to be the only antagonist in the series with a face. (Technically we don't know if the G-Man is one.)

To all those react in anguish to my statement and wish to reverberate at the top of their lungs..."HE'S DEAD YOU IDIOT! HOW COULD HE SURVIVE AFTER YOU BLEW UP A NUCLEAR REACTOR RIGHT ON TOP OF HIM THAT WAS ALSO POWERING A PLATFORM HE WAS FLOATING ON?"

I ask you: how did we survive blowing up a nuclear reactor only several feet in front of us while we stood on a thin platform hundreds of feet in the air?

Valve is trying to bring back old ideas they left on the drawing board. First they bring us the Strider busters, then they bring us to the Borealis which were both cut out of the initial Half-Life 2 and it appears they are now bringing us Breen's host body discussed in Raising the Bar. (To those of you who are unfortunately have no access to this book and left in the dark as to what I'm referring to don't assail me with questions, here is your answer! In early scripts of Half-Life 2 only Breen's head was seen on the by the player throughout the game there was never a glimpse of his body. Finally as you reach the climax and meet him in person you discover that although his head is still human the rest of his body has been transformed into alien appendages and artificial life support technology. However this version of the host body was different from that of an advisor's because other than the obvious addition of a human head, it looked more like a long snake like body combined with a Who from a Dr. Seuss book from the concept art.)

Dead or alive. It would be foolhardy to dismiss the prospect of him returning considering the unsurmountable foreshadowing in the games and the aspect of this being a previous plan.

 

[Druckles]

You might argue that the mention of a host body by Valve is simply to portray to what extent Breen is taking to escape.

 

[Laivasse]

I don't know why people assume that the host body Breen mentioned was necessarily going to be an advisor's body. Do advisors seem the kind of creatures to surrender themselves to be a vessel for an upstart like Breen? More likely it was some funky bio-synth contraption, specially suited for use in whatever Combine realm that the relay was pointed at.

 

[ellimanest]

Not saying he is dead or alive but why woud they want him back. He was mearly their puppet, with which they put a human face on the combine. Only reason I've got for wanting him back is so that he may try and reason with the people and get them to come back to the control of the combine.

 

[saratos]

Why do you assume that if something was removed from a game, it will return?

Alyx was originally going to fall off of a bridge, but they knew IT DIDN'T FIT THE CHARACTER. Why do you think Valve would insert a cheezy-ass ressurection?

 

[Omnomnick]

I think Breen originally said 'You need me' in Hl2 because there was some sort of different story element planned for Ep1, but they change it later on.

Same sort of thing that happened with Ep2, Alyx goes 'Gordon...' at the end of Ep1 but is absoleutly fine at the start of Ep2.

 

[Asknoone]

Either Breen is dead or he was plucked from his platform by the Vortigaunt's or Gman. The idea of him being an Advisor is awful.

 

[Trevelyan]

So which one was Breen? Or is he dead?

He cannot in my opinion 'be' an advisor. Breen talks about taking on a host body(?) or something in order to survive the transportation/teleport/'rescue'/ from the citadel by the combine, but surely this 'deal/prospect' never reaches fruition because u throw a spanner in the works & stop the teleport...so

Either Breen is dead or he was plucked from his platform by the Vortigaunt's or Gman. The idea of him being an Advisor is awful.

I don't think the Combine advisors can 'operate time/physics' in the same kind of way the Gman/Vortigaunt's can. Well it would seem to be the case in my opinion.

The advisors would host his 'mind' or essence perhaps. Its talked about in EP 2 I think. Im sure its mentioned (in direct relation to Eli) that they can 'access' ones knowledge somehow, perhaps with the use of their protruding 'arm/worm like appendage' thing. Maybe Eli's mind is still present in the Advisor? His body it seems is dead, and in my opinion it looks likely he's done for. I'd postulate Breen has suffered a similar demise (i.e we probably wont see him in person again).