There is no Infinity.

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I Just thought about it..

If there is Infinite numbers between 0 - 1 (0.0000001,0.00000002 etc..) than there must be infinite numbers between 12:01:00 (o'clock) to 12:01:01...
that way any second replaced by another is actually proving there is a finite to an Infinity.

I thought about it when I read that scientists have measured the shortest period of time ever measured - 100 ato-seconds..

which means:
If we hypothetically stretch time in a way 100 at-seconds lasts for second(in our lives) this way , if we wanted to wait and get 1 second time we had to wait for 300 Million years!!!

:bonce:
 
Im a little confused about your reasoning. However You can't really use time as a way of fighting for/against the idea of infinity since that "number" only exists with pure mathematics. Time is not mathematics, we only apply math to it as a way of expressing it.

Think about it this way:

How many lines of symmetry can be drawn through a circle? The answer is infinite.
 
Uh...have you been taking any unusual medication? :farmer:
 
I dont really think you get the concept of "infinit".

You cant put time to Infinity. Infinity has no begening or end, so there is no way to mesure it. Because it just ALWAYS IS.

And no there cant really be "infinit" numbers between any numbers (even though you can put as many 0000's as you want to a desimel it will still be a "number", it will never be infinit if you try and use a number to classify it.
 
And there is infinite numbers, think about....if I press the 9 key forever and it keeps going and going...it will get to numbers that are really big....is this even making sense to anyone? It made sense before I typed it but now it doesn't...
 
I dont follow your logic on how that proves there is no infinty, i have to agree with the mullinator.
 
Foxtrot said:
And there is infinite numbers, think about....if I press the 9 key forever and it keeps going and going...it will get to numbers that are really big....is this even making sense to anyone? It made sense before I typed it but now it doesn't...
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hehe,
.999999.......=1.
It's true: what does 1/3 equal? .333333...
multiply by 3 :eek:

but infinity isn't a number, it's a... concept i guess? and sure you could divide a second into infinitely small intervals but it you could still have a second. Just like, for some infinite series, adding all the terms gives an actual finite number... umm... and now i'm confused :eek:
 
.99999999999 = .99999999999 and nothing else.

heres a challenge. divide space temporally
 
jonnyapps said:
.99999999999 = .99999999999 and nothing else.

heres a challenge. divide space temporally
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Actually 0.9 repeating does, in fact, equal one.
 
Also to discredit you. .9999999000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 To infinty
 
Letters said:
Actually 0.9 repeating does, in fact, equal one.
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By chance, what you are talking about are limits.

0.999999999999999.... approaches one, but never reaches it. Therefore, it has a limit of 1, but it does not equal one, it can never equal one.


Its just like x = 1/2^n . As n get larger x gets smaller and approached zero (0), but can never reach zero, so its limit is said to be zero.



edit: Holy s**t. I think I just actually used something I learned in calculus. Oh man........ ok.....breath Duct, breath....... holy s**t.


I think I need a drink.
 
no it's an infinite geometric series:
.9+.09+.009+.0009+......
so the ratio r=.1
and the first term a=.9
so using the formula for finding the sum of an infinite geometric series, S=a/(1-r)
you calculate .9/(1-.1) which equals....... 1!!!!!!!
 
you can prove that .9 repeating equals one on paper, but it's not true.

like others have said...infinity is a concept...so proving that an infinitely long string of 9's after a decimal is proving a concept is equal to one, which isn't valid.

believe me, when i was in calc 2, i discovered this while i was messing around during an infinite series lecture....and i raised my hand and i was like..."so .999999999999999999999 = 1?" and my teacher was like "i knew someone would ask about this before i got to it"

and he and the rest of the class discussed it (though he of course knew all about it) and he showed us that .9 repeating is a concept in and of itself....since the number itself relies on infinity for a definition, it can't really be proven to equal anything.
 
If you havent noticed already read my posts. But to go over it again.........

Okay You got the number .999 So there is no # that can go between it right? Wrong

.999001 .9990001 .99900001 .999000001 Forever!

.9 wil never equal a whole. WhY? Because its not enought to equal a whole. If it was enough to equal a whole # then it would be 1 instead of .9

Kinda common sense.
 
did you just make two points, coolio? i don't get what you're trying to say...

and your "common sense" doesn't really apply to this situation....

of course .9 will not equal 1. but they're trying to say that if you add an infinite number of 9's on the end of that, it equals 1...which isn't true....it always approaches 1, but never equals 1.

for all practical intents and purposes it's 1, because the difference is so incredibly small...but it never truly mathematically equals 1...especially when you apply infinite series formulas to it...because they cannot deal with concepts...only numbers...and .9 repeating isn't a number...it's a concept.
 
Isn't .9 repeating still a decimal?
So how can it be 1?

Well, I may be wrong.
Anyways, how do you do the line over the nine on our keyboards?
Or we can't? Because that little line represents the number repeating.
 
like i said....

.9 repeating is a concept...

.9 is a decimal
.999999999999 is a decmial
.999999999999999999999999999999999999 is a decimal

.99999999999999999999999999 -------> forever and ever ....a concept.
 
i thought the infinite series thing was kinda like the concept that any repeating decimal can be represented as a fraction... so it works for .333.... and represents it as 1/3. so even though .333... is a concept most people would accept that it is the accurate decimal representation of 1/3.
 
Maskirovka said:
like i said....

.9 repeating is a concept...

.9 is a decimal
.999999999999 is a decmial
.999999999999999999999999999999999999 is a decimal

.99999999999999999999999999 -------> forever and ever ....a concept.
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So, kinda like what I said, it's still a decimal and always will be
1 is a whole number...there for .9 repeating is not equal to one.
 
dfc05 said:
i thought the infinite series thing was kinda like the concept that any repeating decimal can be represented as a fraction... so it works for .333.... and represents it as 1/3. so even though .333... is a concept most people would accept that it is the accurate decimal representation of 1/3.
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the problem with your statement is when you said "accurate decimal representation"

a repeating decimal number is not equal to the fraction it is sometimes said to represent....stop thinking like your calculator :)

like i said...
.3 repeating requires the "repeating" attached to it...or a bar over the repeating part...some additional definition that tells you it repeats infinitely....so it can't be set equal to something because it's a special case type deal. (note my scientific terminology)
 
Maskirovka said:
the problem with your statement is when you said "accurate decimal representation"

a repeating decimal number is not equal to the fraction it is sometimes said to represent....stop thinking like your calculator :)

like i said...
.3 repeating requires the "repeating" attached to it...or a bar over the repeating part...some additional definition that tells you it repeats infinitely....so it can't be set equal to something because it's a special case type deal. (note my scientific terminology)
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oh no, i'm thinking like a calculator, noooooo :eek:

ok, i understand that decimals with repeating digits aren't actual numbers, but then no geometric series would actually converge to a rational number since they all keep adding infinitely....... ummmm..... time for me to go to sleep :cheese:
 
these are things which you should't think deeply into. just go with the flow or your brain will explode.

Once I was up all night thinking about the "beginning" of time. Then I finally said f*** it and passed out.
 
chu said:
these are things which you should't think deeply into. just go with the flow or your brain will explode.

Once I was up all night thinking about the "beginning" of time. Then I finally said f*** it and passed out.
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First. F off Hippy.

Second, Like I said. .999 no matter how far it goes out is never = 1
NEVER
EVER
EVER
EVER
EVER

As I stated above which I cannot believe some of you dont understand. .99999 forever is still .99999 forever and never 1. But thats besides the point and it doesnt matter because

THERE IS INFINITY AND ITS PROVEN BY MATHATICS.

TRY TO FIGURE OUT PYE. 3.14....... Now finish that.................SEE INFINITY


If your still stupid enough not to realize this, here is a real life example.

BLACK HOLE.

Add mass and it gets smaller

Just like adding to decimal.

nuf said.
and your "common sense" doesn't really apply to this situation....
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Okay, .9 forever never = 1. I don't see how that is not common sense. I could have sworn any idiot knew that :/
 
coolio2man, you don't seem a very math savvy person. why bother?

second, pye is not a number. its pi. at least say it right.

and third, common sense doesn't exist in math. as it was said, .99repeating = 1 can be proven on paper, but relies on the concept of infinity, so its this || close to being true.

and fourth, if I seem like a jerk right now, I'm reeeally tired and gotta do homework, and some of your arguments are pretty dumb and are making my wrist angry. you wouldn't like my wrist when its angry.

oh yeah, and what the hell is that pi argument about anyway?

3.14159265358979... thats all I remember. therefore its infinite?
 
CyberSh33p said:
coolio2man, you don't seem a very math savvy person. why bother?

second, pye is not a number. its pi. at least say it right.

and third, common sense doesn't exist in math. as it was said, .99repeating = 1 can be proven on paper, but relies on the concept of infinity, so its this || close to being true.

and fourth, if I seem like a jerk right now, I'm reeeally tired and gotta do homework, and some of your arguments are pretty dumb and are making my wrist angry. you wouldn't like my wrist when its angry.

oh yeah, and what the hell is that pi argument about anyway?

3.14159265358979... thats all I remember. therefore its infinite?
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I don't see why PI is not infinite.

If it is not, then why dont you list it completely out for us so we can check your work.

If you didn't know that a Black holes singularity gets smaller with more mass, you learned something new.

.9/(1-.1) Yes this does = 1

I had no idea they had a formula to calculate and disprove infinity. They should put this on the news. Or they didnt because its a flawed equation. Go ask someone who knows.

You're a jerk and I don't care if your wrist hurts. :p
 
coolio2man said:
I don't see why PI is not infinite.

If it is not, then why dont you list it completely out for us so we can check your work.

If you didn't know that a Black holes singularity gets smaller with more mass, you learned something new.

.9/(1-.1) Yes this does = 1

I had no idea they had a formula to calculate and disprove infinity. They should put this on the news. Or they didnt because its a flawed equation. Go ask someone who knows.

You're a jerk and I don't care if your wrist hurts. :p
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Why don't you like infinite pie? You sick bastard!
Well, anyways, like some dude said,
"3.14159265358979" You see there is an end...pi is the ratio of the circumference of a circle, which does have an end.
 
Oh crap...wait...0.9 repeating does equal 1.

0.9 repeating equals 9 over 9 making it a whole number...therefore: 1.
0.7 repeating equals 7 over 9.
So...Coolio2man, check your math.
So...
pi is not infinite
and 0.9 repeating is equal to 1!
 
Cool, Post this is a mathamatics forum just to make sure. And yes I agree that it does = 1. Look at above post.

And just to make this clear. There is no such thing as infinite. So you cannot cut something in half forever. There wont be enough to cut in half. Outer sapce is not expanding. Blackholes cannot shrink forever. Gravity relys on something and thus not all matter has gravity because there is a possibilty for it to eventually run out.

All that and more. Thats why I am having my doubts, but what do I know :p

I would have bet my life on Hl2 comming out on time back in the day. Hahahah O well. Those where the days.....*sigh*
 
true, there is no infinity, but the rest of your post is well, rubbish.
 
SpuD said:
true, there is no infinity, but the rest of your post is well, rubbish.
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How is it rubbish?

On my First example. Say (just for the sake of argument) that you could slice anything in half as many times as you wanted.
Since your equation proves without a doubt that there is no such thing as infinite, there would be a point that you can no longer half the object.

Thats what you're saying.

This is a Yes/no question.
 
The only thing that is infinite is my infinite pie making machine...
Suck-ahs!
/me goes make blueberry pie...
:p
 
No one here has said anything remotely near proving anything that has been mentioned.

"3.14159265358979" You see there is an end...pi is the ratio of the circumference of a circle, which does have an end.
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Well, you know more than any mathematician... because no one has found an end to pi.

It takes some of the fastest supercomputers weeks to calculate pi to more than 1.24 TRILLION digits. No pattern has been found. There is no end in sight.
there is no infinity
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Humans have a hard enough time trying to comprehend it... let alone prove (or disprove) its existence.
 
Just because we have a difficult time comprehending infinity, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. :smoking:
 
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