There is one thing that Doom 3 does better than HL2...

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Lighting and Shadows..Doom 3 has the best shadows I've ever seen. Thief 3 is just a little above Doom 3 when it comes to lighting and shadows. Will the HDR add dynamic shadows for every light source as thief 3 and Doom 3 does very well?
 
dream431ca said:
Lighting and Shadows..Doom 3 has the best shadows I've ever seen. Thief 3 is just a little above Doom 3 when it comes to lighting and shadows. Will the HDR add dynamic shadows for every light source as thief 3 and Doom 3 does very well?
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I like the lighting / shadows in BF2.

But yea, I see what you're saying.
 
DreadLord1337 said:
I like the lighting / shadows in BF2.
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I hope you aren't serious about the shadows. Most of them are complete shitteh. Lighting is nice though, I like it a lot.
 
Feath said:
Oh woo, shadows.
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Yes oooo wow..Doom 3 has a whole lot better atmosphere because of the shadows and the lighting. I hope valve does that with the source engine...shadows and lighting may be a small thing..but they add so much depth to the game.
 
Source will eventually have dynamic lighting and shadowing but not for a while I am guessing. It is too GPU intensive to use effectively right now and would alienate many players who could not run it (dont say turn it off because would you play D3 without shadows? NO!)

If you know how current stencil shadowing works it besically draws a invisible polygons where a lightsource hits a model and since HL2 is very high polygon and has many lights it would be too intensive and would take too much time to redo everything for more performance not to mention code the shadowing in the first place.

So finaly no it will not (but crazy stuff happens so there is always a chance) and HDR has nothing to do with dynamic shadowing (but shadows + HDR = sweet).

Oh and I love the lighting as much as you (but no soft shadowing makes me sad).
 
dream431ca said:
Lighting and Shadows..Doom 3 has the best shadows I've ever seen. Thief 3 is just a little above Doom 3 when it comes to lighting and shadows. Will the HDR add dynamic shadows for every light source as thief 3 and Doom 3 does very well?
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Yeah, it would be wonderful to have that kind of lighting and shadows in Hl2, but only the people with UltrashadowII from Nvidia, or some form of shadow acceleration tech would benefit
 
i love the way thief 3 uses shadows, it really adds to the gameplay. i still dont think dynamic shadows such as those used in thief 3 are necessary in HL2.
 
Oh... I thought it was going to be...
"Bore you to death after you played half the game"
 
dream431ca said:
Lighting and Shadows..Doom 3 has the best shadows I've ever seen. Thief 3 is just a little above Doom 3 when it comes to lighting and shadows. Will the HDR add dynamic shadows for every light source as thief 3 and Doom 3 does very well?
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Make up your mind.
 
dream431ca said:
Lighting and Shadows..Doom 3 has the best shadows I've ever seen. Thief 3 is just a little above Doom 3 when it comes to lighting and shadows. Will the HDR add dynamic shadows for every light source as thief 3 and Doom 3 does very well?
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You are right but lights and shadows are no match for the red crowbar :D
 
dream431ca said:
Post a useful post.
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Whats so unuseful with his post ? maybe it tells you nothing but some other people might find it interesting. Like i do =)
 
I agree with you when you say Doom 3 has better lighting and shadows than HL2. But Riddick has better lighting and shadows than both of them
 
dream431ca said:
Lighting and Shadows..Doom 3 has the best shadows I've ever seen. Thief 3 is just a little above Doom 3 when it comes to lighting and shadows.
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Oh really?

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4024/d2prison0700036vl.jpg

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2908/d3c1706a00276aj.jpg

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5216/d2prison0700047bq.jpg

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1967/boo5lz.jpg

HL2 has THE best graphics of any game i've ever played. I mean by realism, not by uber pencil shadow shiny plastic bullshit.

But if you mean shadows as in, dynamic shadows comming off of objects NPC's, then you're right. They suck. I think BF2 has the best dynamic shadowing engine i've seen. Next time you're in a blackhawk, put on some Zeppelin and check out the terrain around you. You can see the blackhawks shadow change shape and flex as you move over rocks and such, and you can even see people moving around in the vehicle.
 
sinkoman said:
But if you mean shadows as in, dynamic shadows comming off of objects NPC's, then you're right. They suck.
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Yes, that's exactly what he ment obviously enough.
 
ríomhaire said:
Yes, that's exactly what he ment obviously enough.
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Yeah, after reading the thread over a few times, I managed to spoonfeed it to myself :P

But you have to agree, those screens I took are better than any DIII screens i've ever seen, and better than anything i've ever seen playing TDS.
 
sinkoman said:
Oh really?

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4024/d2prison0700036vl.jpg

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2908/d3c1706a00276aj.jpg

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5216/d2prison0700047bq.jpg

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1967/boo5lz.jpg

HL2 has THE best graphics of any game i've ever played. I mean by realism, not by uber pencil shadow shiny plastic bullshit.

But if you mean shadows as in, dynamic shadows comming off of objects NPC's, then you're right. They suck. I think BF2 has the best dynamic shadowing engine i've seen. Next time you're in a blackhawk, put on some Zeppelin and check out the terrain around you. You can see the blackhawks shadow change shape and flex as you move over rocks and such, and you can even see people moving around in the vehicle.
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OK. You completely misuderstood my post mister. :dozey:

I meant Dynamic Lighting and shadow effects. Not just OOO look! A shadow that is stationary and does not move!! YAY!! NO! I wasn't talking about the graphics either...but I agree with you on that Half-life 2 does have better graphics than Doom 3. Doom 3 has better lighting and shadows so therefore has better atmosphere. Half-life 2 does beat Doom 3 overall..but Doom 3 is at least better at one thing than Half-life 2. If Half-life 2 had all those dynamic shadows and lighting....then you would have absolutly no contest. (Unfortunatly only 10 percent of the population would be able to play it though.)
 
dream431ca said:
OK. You completely misuderstood my post mister. :dozey:

I meant Dynamic Lighting and shadow effects. Not just OOO look! A shadow that is stationary and does not move!! YAY!! NO! I wasn't talking about the graphics either...but I agree with you on that Half-life 2 does have better graphics than Doom 3. Doom 3 has better lighting and shadows so therefore has better atmosphere. Half-life 2 does beat Doom 3 overall..but Doom 3 is at least better at one thing than Half-life 2. If Half-life 2 had all those dynamic shadows and lighting....then you would have absolutly no contest. (Unfortunatly only 10 percent of the population would be able to play it though.)
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No no, I understood what you were saying. It was just late and I had to read the entire thread one or two times before I got it :)

I've never played DIII though, so I can't really attest to what you've said, but Thief Deadly Shadows had an EXCELLENT shadowing system. It really added to the game, being able to see whose in the next room by checking out their shadows.

But I still think BF2 has one of the best i've ever seen. BF2 and Thief Deadly Shadows.

And from the demo, FEAR seems to have a grade A shadowing system.

I played the Far Cry demo today, and the object shadowing was good (not great, good) but the character shadowing was not there.
 
dream431ca said:
Lighting and Shadows..Doom 3 has the best shadows I've ever seen. Thief 3 is just a little above Doom 3 when it comes to lighting and shadows. Will the HDR add dynamic shadows for every light source as thief 3 and Doom 3 does very well?
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Dude...shut up? Doom 3 is designed to handle shadows better. Wow, amazing. Source has the best radiosity engine available on shelves, so Doom 3 is hardly "bettar lighting lolol"

I like how you go around 'gaming forums' and pick up the latest hype, "DOOM 3 HAS TEH BATTER LIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Oenoeneoneoenoeneoneeleveneleven."

Besides, you're an idiot, and so is this stupid thread, because it's been done 130912381293812903812903891237912807x over and no one gives a damn about it anymore. For ****s sake, shut the **** up. Wow this thread is ****ing retarded.
 
Pesmerga said:
Dude...shut up? Doom 3 is designed to handle shadows better. Wow, amazing. Source has the best radiosity engine available on shelves, so Doom 3 is hardly "bettar lighting lolol"

I like how you go around 'gaming forums' and pick up the latest hype, "DOOM 3 HAS TEH BATTER LIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Oenoeneoneoenoeneoneeleveneleven."

Besides, you're an idiot, and so is this stupid thread, because it's been done 130912381293812903812903891237912807x over and no one gives a damn about it anymore. For ****s sake, shut the **** up. Wow this thread is ****ing retarded.
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I win!! :D
 
Pesmerga said:
Dude...shut up? Doom 3 is designed to handle shadows better. Wow, amazing. Source has the best radiosity engine available on shelves, so Doom 3 is hardly "bettar lighting lolol"

I like how you go around 'gaming forums' and pick up the latest hype, "DOOM 3 HAS TEH BATTER LIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Oenoeneoneoenoeneoneeleveneleven."

Besides, you're an idiot, and so is this stupid thread, because it's been done 130912381293812903812903891237912807x over and no one gives a damn about it anymore. For ****s sake, shut the **** up. Wow this thread is ****ing retarded.
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If you're going to bitch at someone, send them a PM. Sheesh. Don't do it so everybody sees and make yourself like a pricktard.


If you want me to kill him, I know some bloods in Compton. hhehee. PWNS!
 
dream431ca said:
:D I just have the question..what does QFT stand for..I know me a noob. :(
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Quoted For Truth.

Pes, what's up man? You're like, not being Pessy.
 
Doom III was boring as hell. I played RoE, it's boring, gay and too much trying to impress me with shadowing n stuff is real low... real real low. The Grabber? Aint shit.
 
sinkoman said:
Quoted For Truth.

Pes, what's up man? You're like, not being Pessy.
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I hate Dream23192378129381290327819 whatever
 
ailevation said:
Quoted For Truth?
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You know what's interesting, in my last post, I didn't abbreviate Quoted For Truth. I typed it out, "quoted for truth". but the forum decided to abbreviate it.

Quoted for truth.

Let's see what happens.

EDIT: Odd, it didn't happen again. Hmm.
 
Haha that's weird lemme try it


Quoted For Truth

QFT

NOTING!

ZOMG! Sinko!? What do we DOOOOOOOOOOO!?
 
dream431ca said:
Doom 3 has better lighting and shadows so therefore has better atmosphere.
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NAC. HL2 has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better atmosphere than Doom3.
 
ríomhaire said:
NAC. HL2 has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better atmosphere than Doom3.
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I was about to pull a Pesmerga and insult you..but I'm not that low.
 
Pesmerga said:
Besides, you're an idiot, and so is this stupid thread, because it's been done 130912381293812903812903891237912807x over and no one gives a damn about it anymore. For ****s sake, shut the **** up. Wow this thread is ****ing retarded.
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You took the time to make several contributions to this "stupid" thread.



Yes, Dream, I agree that Doom 3 does lighting and shadows much better than HL2, but I don't think that was meant to be a point of emphasis in HL2. Source still does a good job , however. Carmack and Co put a lot into those effects because of the setting, IMO.
 
dream431ca said:
Doom 3 has better lighting and shadows so therefore has better atmosphere.
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I'm not seeing the logic behind this.
 
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