This gets worse everyday.

[Apos]

This is exactly why I think he needs to resign.

That would involve admitting to making mistakes, which is not allowed to happen. Bush couldn't even apologize properly to help defuse this crisis because of his pride. He was urged to, but refused to do it when it really counted (on the Arab news interview he had: instead he patronizingly lectured Muslims on "what they need to know is..."). And the next day, when he grudgingly said "sorry," it wasn't even "Sorry we did this" it was "I'm sorry for your loss, but America wouldn't do something like that." That's not an apology, that's offering third-party condolences for something you had no responsibility for. And the fact that he had to be FORCED to do even THAT hardly makes him look sincere.

 

[crabcakes66]

This administration does not admit mistakes.


Thats S.O.P. #1

 

[DarkStar]

^^ Watered down, meaningless apologies are the only kind Bush ever gives. I don't think he even said sorry at all. He was coming out of a meeting with the king of Jordan and I believe he said something like "I told the king of Jordan I was sorry for the prisoner's mistreatment...blah blah etc." His so-called "apology" consisted of him saying that he previously said that he was sorry in private, which is different from a public apology. Anyway you look at it, this shit's f*cked up.

 

[crabcakes66]

Saying he is sorry might make him look weak.

(or atleast that is what his supporters would say.)

I dont really understand that...I guess its the whole patriotic good ole' boy aura that surrounds him.

 

[Xtasy0]

http://www.infowars.com/print/iraq/newer_photos.htm

Hersh said many of those being held at Abu Ghraib are civilians "picked up at random checkpoints and random going into houses." He said Taguba's report found that more than 60 percent of the prisoners "have nothing to do with anything."

"There's no processing," Hersh said. "It's sort of a complete failure of anything the Geneva Convention calls for."

The New Yorker published a photograph of a dead Iraqi prisoner on its Web site Sunday, saying the man had died during an interrogation by U.S. officials. He had never been registered as a prisoner there and his body was taken out of the building and dumped, Hersh said.

"They packed him in ice until it was the appropriate time," he said. "They put him on a trolley, like a hospital gurney, and they put a fake IV into him, and they walked out as if he was getting an IV -- walked him out, got him in an ambulance, drove him off, dumped the body somewhere."

-http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/05/02/iraq.abuse.charges/


way to go CIA, way to give iraq their new found freedom from that evil evil saddam....(sarcasm.... in case your sarcasm detector is broken)

 

[h00dlum]

as i said...now some al-qaida members have videotaped a decapitation(spell?) of an american civilian to revenge the prisoner abuse..

 

[Maxi]

Gah, both are equally insane imo. Also I belive that the US goverment knows the full extent of the torturings.

 

[Foxtrot]

People are making WAY too big of a deal about this, some people at my school are freaking out about this and saying stupid stuff like America should have its military taken away, I remember around 9/11 these people didn't make a big deal out of that at all.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

On a more positive note...I think...it seems as if the pictures of British soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners are fake.

 

[mortiz]

These pictures are sick, but not entirely unexpected.

You have to remember, many of these soldiers commiting these acts will have had friends killed by Iraqi insurgents, they're bound to feel angry. At the end of the day it doesn't matter how much training they've had, they're still only human, and it's human nature to hurt one another, we've done it since the dawn of human history and I would think we'll continue doing it for a while to come yet.

 

[Xtasy0]

These pictures are sick, but not entirely unexpected.

You have to remember, many of these soldiers commiting these acts will have had friends killed by Iraqi insurgents, they're bound to feel angry. At the end of the day it doesn't matter how much training they've had, they're still only human, and it's human nature to hurt one another, we've done it since the dawn of human history and I would think we'll continue doing it for a while to come yet.

there is also the fact that they were ordered to do it by the CIA...

 

[not28]

I enjoyed Rotten's take on the situation.

 

[Apos]

I remember around 9/11 these people didn't make a big deal out of that at all.

Who are "these people?" I made a pretty fricking big deal about it. I live in NYC. The WTC has four blocks from where I lived, and people I knew died in it. That doesn't make me think the torture of prisoners is in any way acceptable either. I'll make a big deal out of ALL the things I think are despicably wrong and against the trend of human progress and enlightenment.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

there is also the fact that they were ordered to do it by the CIA...

Where is the report on that?

 

[Foxtrot]

I don't care what anyone says, but some people like Apos are way too paranoid and taking things way out of context.

 

[Apos]

I did, and I apologize: I see now that you were reffering to your school friends, not some vague accusation. I guess I'm a bit worked up after this latest horror.

 

[Foxtrot]

I am glad you realized that, because accusing all these random people all the way from Jessie Ventura to Bush of giving demands to the military to torture every single Iraqi prisoner as standard protocol sounds just a little absurd.