This might be rough (college course: intellectual discussion)

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"CIE stands for the "Common Intellectual Experience." This is the one course (two courses actually, spanning two semesters) that every first-year student takes, and the one course that every member of the faculty can potentially teach. (This year 47 of us, nearly half of the faculty, will teach in either CIE1 in the Fall or CIE2 in the Spring or both.) The reason that we expect all Ursinus students to take this course, and all Ursinus faculty to teach it, is that it deals with the questions that are confronted by everyone, the questions that lie at the heart of a liberal arts education: What does it mean to be human? How should we live our lives? What is the universe and what is our place in it? So whatever our specialties may be as faculty or whatever your backgrounds or career aspirations may be as students, seeking answers to these questions is something we all share in common. And since Ursinus is a liberal arts college, we will not leave that seeking to chance, but will engage in it deliberately from almost the first moment of your arrival, in small discussion-based CIE classes and, after class, in Wismer and the residence halls and in the campus's offices, lounges, and laboratories."

"In the CIE we meet in small classes so that everyone has the opportunity to make the arguments supporting his or her views, to listen carefully to others' arguments, to accept or reject every position based on careful deliberation. This activity is, of course, nothing other than conversation. It would be strange to confine this particular conversation only to the classroom. The issue of how I should live my life is not simply a "subject" in school, a narrow technical matter. Nor is mastery of it demonstrated by filling in bubbles on an SAT exam sheet. It's a problem that informs or ought to inform our every waking hour. Because each of you will study the same set of readings, you should always be able to find someone who wants to stay up late and talk about it. And this is perhaps the chief reason for the residential character of this college. No doubt, the college enjoys being in the hotel business. But it is this question of the right way of life, the question at the very heart of your liberal education, that dictates that residential character of the college. For this question bears not only on your classroom performance but on your life. And so you study, talk, and live in one and the same place."

I especially like this bit:

"As the year proceeds expect to find yourself confused, disturbed, or angry. Because this conversation may involve challenging beliefs you cherish, it requires some courage."

I don't know how I feel about all this. I'm not very good at discussing at all, so it's going to be really rough, but hopefully just at first. Overall, I suppose I'm glad I will be forced to be a part of this. In the end, I think it will improve my ability to express my self confidently.

Here's a question I could use some input on, if anyone wants to take a stab at it:

"What difference might it make if people worship many gods as opposed to one?"

I think that when we think of a single God, we assume that He has a divine plan that cannot be changed. But with many Gods, it's more like a council that is susceptible to disagreement and deliberation.
 
No offense to anyone, but i DOUBT that you are going to get a decent discussion about god or religion on a video games forum... You have to realize that most of the people here are just kids, still in high school.

But, that class looks awsome. When i was touring UC santa cruz, they had classes for each dorm/college that were CLOSE to that. That was one of the best things going for that school, it sounded really cool. I assume you are going to be taking this course, it does sound like a good time, and a good introduction to college life and class style.

As for you question on gods, meh, i don't think i'm even gonna try.
 
You know, I know a tiny bit about this. I'll type some of it from a book. (The Science of Discworld II: The Globe)

"Joseph Needham brought light to htis kind of confusion. He point out, in the introduction to his truely gigantic History of Science in China , that the reason why China never developed science as the West knows it is that they never espoused monotheism. In polytheistic philosophies, it isn't very sensible to search for the cause of something, like a thunderstorm, say: You're liable to get a very contingent answer involving several incidents in the love lives of the gods, and an explanation of the provenance of thunderbolts that verges on the ridiculous.

Monotheist, however, by which we man someone like Abraham, to whom we shall return later, reckon that God had a consistent set of ideas and causalities in mind when he set the universe up. One set of ideas. If you expect your one God to be consistent, then it's worth asking how those causalities relate to each other: for example, 'black clouds and rain will be associated with thunderstorms when...' what-ever. The monotheist can predict the weather, even if rather badly. But the Polytheist needs a theopsychologist and a precise account of what the gods are up to at the moment. She needs to know whether the a tiff between two gods will result in a thunderstorm. So scientific causality is compatible with God-casuality, but not with Gods-casuality.

Monotheists, moveover, have a built-in intolerance. The position that there is only one truth, only one avenue to the one God, sets each monotheistic religion in opposition to all others. There is no room for manoeuvre, no way to tolerate the manifest eroores of people who believe in some other god. So monotheism laid the foundation for the Inquisition, and for the intemperate Christianity through the ages from the crusades through to African and Polynesian missionaries. 'I have the story, and it is the only one' is characteristic of many cults, all of them intolerant."

That's pretty much all it has to say about Polytheism and Monotheism in the book.

Buy the Book. Science of Discworld and Science of Discworld II: The Globe. They're very interesting, and funny.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=sr_1_29/104-5538763-3144755?v=glance&s=books
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=sr_1_30/104-5538763-3144755?v=glance&s=books

Also read the Discworld series by Terry Patchett.
 
Originally posted by Jmechy
No offense to anyone, but i DOUBT that you are going to get a decent discussion about god or religion on a video games forum... You have to realize that most of the people here are just kids, still in high school.

But, that class looks awsome. When i was touring UC santa cruz, they had classes for each dorm/college that were CLOSE to that. That was one of the best things going for that school, it sounded really cool. I assume you are going to be taking this course, it does sound like a good time, and a good introduction to college life and class style.

As for you question on gods, meh, i don't think i'm even gonna try.

We've had a number of threads concerning religion, and they were sensible and informed
 
YAY a Pterry fan.......YAY......
I've got all his books, sorry for that spam


anywho, hmm, actually you can get a good interlectual discussion on here, me and Farrowlesparrow had one a while back on religion, which was quite interesting, I think though it is ahrd for some of the younger members who really haven't really thought about their beliefs yet...

I personally am an Athiest, and this is based on alot of studies, I have read most holy books, and studied alot on my beliefs...but that is not a question in matter....

the thing with many gods, is that people become confused who to worship and who will be forgiving about what matters etc, so a single god, makes that descion easier for people, worshiping one god, gives an easy and uncomplicated solution to the uneducated peseant.....
 
Originally posted by Jmechy
No offense to anyone, but i DOUBT that you are going to get a decent discussion about god or religion on a video games forum... You have to realize that most of the people here are just kids, still in high school.

But, that class looks awsome. When i was touring UC santa cruz, they had classes for each dorm/college that were CLOSE to that. That was one of the best things going for that school, it sounded really cool. I assume you are going to be taking this course, it does sound like a good time, and a good introduction to college life and class style.

As for you question on gods, meh, i don't think i'm even gonna try.
While it's probably true that I could find a better discussion on another forum, I don't doubt that there a multitude of intelligent people on these forums that are more equipped for intellectual discussion than I am.
Originally posted by Feath
Thanks a bunch for typing that out, it was very helpful to read. I'll stop rhyming your name with teeth now... maybe... :cheese:
 
lol that class sounds crap, i hate discussions... i dont c y it should be compusary (sp?)
 
I really hate the sound of it right now too, believe me. I hate discussing stuff. But I think once I get used to it, I will be a better person.

As for it being compulsory, well, I'm kind of glad. Otherwise I might have chickened out of taking it. Also it could possibly do a lot to open the minds of the people I'll be living with, which will really help them to get along with someone like me =D
 
Those types of courses are either a blessing or a pain in the ass. If I end up with a group of interesting people (especially girls :p) than it can be a lot of fun. But if the other people are assholes then I end up being the guy who always says "yeah, sure I agree" (=just don't talk to me again please)
 
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