To Christians: The apocalypse is coming, you're on the wrong boat

A lot of the people replying don't seem to understand his point. Interesting read.
 
_Z_Ryuken said:
A lot of the poeple replying don't seem to understand his point.
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A lot of the people replying seem to have the intellect of a mango.

Silly Christians.
 
I've thought about this often (Jesus being one of my favourite dudes evar) and have often wondered: wouldn't it so fit for that guy to return right about now? His whole original shtick was that he led a rebellion against the corrupt organised church system that had perverted and forgotten God's teachings. He gained a huge following. In many ways he was an equivalent of Martin Luther King, or Ghandi - someone like that. And now it seems like religion's back to square one. If Jesus came back right now, he'd be just as pissed as he was the first time around.
 
Sulkdodds said:
If Jesus came back right now, he'd be just as pissed as he was the first time around.
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My bet is if he came back now, noone would know. People would think he's just some bum magician on the street looking for 15 minutes on the evening news.

I don't think Jesus really has a vengeance, so he's kinda outta luck. :/

We could use some truely divine intervention.
A little disaster or two to wake people up.
 
_Z_Ryuken said:
People would think he's just some bum magician on the street looking for 15 minutes on the evening news.
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david blaine=Jesus!

repent!
 
Yes interesting read, but I certainly don't like the fact that he generalizes Christians as being closed minded, hypocrite, idiots. I agree that some are like he described, BUT NOT ALL, I myself am a Christian and I'm not like that. Recently I find myself being an agnostic leaning toward atheism, so in the end whatever.
 
Redneck said:
Yes interesting read, but I certainly don't like the fact that he generalizes Christians as being closed minded, hypocrite, idiots. I agree that some are like he described, BUT NOT ALL, I myself am a Christian and I'm not like that. Recently I find myself being an agnostic leaning toward atheism, so in the end whatever.
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I think any Christian that can be described like this
Christians have nothing to do with Christ. They look for easy absolution for their transgressions, and as such consider nothing of the message Jesus gave.
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is who he is aiming at.

People that just want to be removed of sin, and pray before breakfast as they straddle their Soccer SUVs into corporate America wearing their golden crosses and soaked in perfume.
It should be a given he doesn't mean "every Christian on the planet" as I'm sure he knows there is a great deal of people whom he's had no interaction, but it is a safe bet the ones he's seen are like this.

The ones I've seen are like this.

Supposedly my family is Christian. We called ourselves that in the past, but we never go to church or pray or confess or any of that. I think to me and my family we just try to be good people and we look out for other people.
I myself have sheltered a few people for free. Lots of people owe me money, but I don't ask for it.
In this way I consider myself Christian, but I don't take the author's views as a personal attack or a generalization because I don't believe I am that kind of person being generalized.
 
Raeven0 said:
A lot of the people replying seem to have the intellect of a mango.

Silly Christians.
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You know what I do to mangos?
 
_Z_Ryuken said:
Supposedly my family is Christian. We called ourselves that in the past, but we never go to church or pray or confess or any of that. I think to me and my family we just try to be good people and we look out for other people.
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The similarities with my family are startling. We haven't gone to church in 7 years. I for one haven't ever confessed my sins, but still I say a quick prayer before i go to bed at night. In the end I don't think it matters what religion you belong to, just be generally a good person and help people in need and you're OK.
 
I was a fundie until my logic matured and I started learning about the real authors of the Bible.

Gunner said:
You know what I do to mangos?
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Yes.
 
Speaking of the bible, is there anyone besides me who hasn't read it?
 
CrazyHarij said:
http://www.shoutwire.com/comments/13639/To_Christians_Apocalypse_is_Coming_You_re_On_the_Wrong_Boat

Very good read, recarding what the original christian message was and what christians are doing.

i'm not trying to take any sides or anything, i'm just curious of christians' reaction to the statements in this text.
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My Response to That Article: That is extremely offensive.

I hope that person meets the other half of the Christian community one day.
You usually have the loud mouths who burn at the site of the pentagram, but, the people I know that are Christians spend their weekend helping the community, and they are nice.
 
They say the truth hurts.

If it's not true then why does it hurt?

/thinkaboutit
 
I am not religious at all but that article is one of the most retarded things I have ever read.
 
The article is nothing special. For all his intelligence, he spelled a lot of things wrong. He makes excellent points nonetheless. Though, he needs to tone down with the hate. He makes us nonreligious look stupid. I don't hate Christians. They're people and they make mistakes. JC had a lot of good ideas and likely, good intent with his actions. But, the religion built upon his name is a disgrace for everything he stood for. If Jesus were truly the Son of God and he came down here, you think he'd be hanging out you're average American "Christian." Hell no. He'd be hanging out with the people who did good out of their hearts, not because religion tells them to. He'd be hanging out with people who respected each other, were nice to each other, and cared for one another.

If Jesus were alive today, he'd thank God for being an atheist ;)
 
Hmm... on one hand, he is right about SOME things. People like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, who preach in Megachurches, make millions off of people's faith, and claim that god talks to them, are going in the opposite direction that J-to-the-Esus would've wanted. However, he's got a vicious stereotyping streak. Everything is "ALL Christians this" and "ALL Christians that"- and that pretty much kills his credibility. So he makes a good point, but he's also an idiot.
 
He stereotypes so he's an idiot...:rolleyes:

Anyways, I think it's interesting, but seems mainly to apply to American Christians. Most American branches of Christianity seem to have at least somewhat suspicious origins to me. There are quite a few that can be classified right up there with scientology as probable cons who's founders did not believe what they were preaching.
 
Well I don't know about that, perhaps Hubbard really did believe it all in the end...
 
DeusExMachina said:
Well I don't know about that, perhaps Hubbard really did believe it all in the end...
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And perhaps it's all actually true; a tried to leave myself some wiggle room with "probable".
 
Well that was a very dull read indeed.
Where was the stuff about the apocalypse? And if you start by saying that christians are on the wrong boat, surely we have a right to expect the writer to talk about the "right" boat?
Just a very boring over-generalised rant, stuff full of truisms, nothing to see here folks, move along.

Bill Hicks had it down pat : "A lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. You think when Jesus comes back he ever wants to see a ****ing cross? It's like going up to Jackie Onassis wearing a rifle pendant.”
Classic.

Oh, and if anyone is looking forward to the return of christ; dont.
He's pissed at us and he will be returning mob-handed(apparently). He's been in occultation all this time and is coming back with the Mahdi to kick some sinner ass.
Or so Ive heard . :)


edit; what do you mean I cant say **** ? That ruins all the Bill Hicks quotes right from the getgo. :(
 
I don't apply to who he was talking about. I'm the good kind of christian.

I don't agree with this thing he said.

You claim to be a Christian? Prove it. Go out tomorrow, sell all your shit, and hit the streets. Love everyone you see, and help those in need first. Give them your love, the love that Jesus has given you, and leave your life solely in God’s hands. Trust that he will take care of you, feed you, and give you shelter. Good luck, and we’ll see you when they bring you into the infirmary for starvation or mental illness, whichever they notice first.
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He's pretty stupid to say that... people don't need to give away everything they have to prove they're christian. We don't have to prove we're christian. Not to non religious folk, not to other christians even.
 
Raziaar said:
I don't apply to who he was talking about. I'm the good kind of christian.
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Thats cool, but the only thing is ; who would put there hand up and say " yep , that sums me up , Im a terrible waste of space. Guilty as charged" ?
Short answer, no one.
 
In the Bible, a rich man asks Jesus what he must do to go to heaven. Jesus told him to sell all his possessions, give the money to the poor, and follow him. And the rich man went away sad, for he had many things.
 
SAJ said:
Thats cool, but the only thing is ; who would put there hand up and say " yep , that sums me up , Im a terrible waste of space. Guilty as charged" ?
Short answer, no one.
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They would be dishonest saying it. I'm not wealthy, i'm not living a 'comfortable' life. I'm on the poor end of the spectrum. I also give as I can, and i'm not out there being a crusader.

In the Bible, a rich man asks Jesus what he must do to go to heaven. Jesus told him to sell all his possessions, give the money to the poor, and follow him. And the rich man went away sad, for he had many things.
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Just like other things that are read in the bible literally, that too is one of them. He was saying that to get into heaven, you must let go of your worldly possessions and not hold them before god. And jesus asked him to give away his possessions, and the refusal of the man shows that he held his posessions before god, and thus wasn't truely on that path. It doesn't mean to get into heaven you must give/sell away all your possessions. It means you mustn't hold them before your faith to god.

If GOD asked you, as jesus asked the man... THEN you do it. Not some joe schmo saying to give away your stuff or else you don't deserve to get into heaven. That's them playing trickery and deception. And in the 'religious' side of things... the devil's work.
 
SAJ said:
Thats cool, but the only thing is ; who would put there hand up and say " yep , that sums me up , Im a terrible waste of space. Guilty as charged" ?
Short answer, no one.
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*raises hand*
 
Also, a great deal of Christianity is proving to others that you're a good Christian. That's why sacraments tend to be big publuc events. That's the idea behind ash wednesday, various mormon and Amish outfits, crucifixes, priest collars, and WWJD bracelets. Hell, it goes back to the fish symbol, and even the title Christ.
 
spookymooky said:
Also, a great deal of Christianity is proving to others that you're a good Christian. That's why sacraments tend to be big publuc events. That's the idea behind ash wednesday, various mormon and Amish outfits, crucifixes, priest collars, and WWJD bracelets. Hell, it goes back to the fish symbol, and even the title Christ.
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Just because people do those things, or wear those things... doesn't mean they wear or do them because of you, or others. Some people like taking symbols with them where they go, to be with them.
 
Raziaar said:
Just because people do those things, or wear those things... doesn't mean they wear or do them because of you, or others. Some people like taking symbols with them where they go, to be with them.
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Good point.
 
Raziaar said:
He's pretty stupid to say that... people don't need to give away everything they have to prove they're christian. We don't have to prove we're christian. Not to non religious folk, not to other christians even.
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Unfortunately for you, people need to speak through their actions. You do need to prove you're a Christian. At least if you want to get through them Pearly Gates. Clapping your hands and screaming hallelujah doesn't cut it, I reckon.
 
Ludah said:
Unfortunately for you, people need to speak through their actions. You do need to prove you're a Christian. At least if you want to get through them Pearly Gates. Clapping your hands and screaming hallelujah doesn't cut it, I reckon.
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Not exactly.

If what the christians say is true, and this "god" knows exactly what you're thinking at all times, then you'd just have to have your mind in a state of such celebacy that you'd be WILLING to give up all your possesions.

Same idea though.

And I, personally, hate Christians. Not much they've ever done for society, aside from criticise everybody who isn't one of them.
 
Ludah said:
Unfortunately for you, people need to speak through their actions. You do need to prove you're a Christian. At least if you want to get through them Pearly Gates.
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Hmm... NOT! I personally don't believe in heaven and hell, but I do believe there is some sort of supreme entity that created the Universe. Some would say that is a paradox. Oh yeah, just for the record I don't believe in an afterlife or reincarnation for that matter. If I ever had a chance to talk with the BIG GUY "upstairs" I would ask him why the heck did he have to go and create the Universe for?! Answer: He's just a lonely guy and he created the Universe and everything in it to have some company. I for one would prefer a state of non existence thank you very much. Yeah I'm in a very pleasant mood today.
 
sinkoman said:
If what the christians say is true, and this "god" knows exactly what you're thinking at all times, then you'd just have to have your mind in a state of such celebacy that you'd be WILLING to give up all your possesions.
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Meh, fair point. Although this does depend on which Christians' teachings are considered true.

I know many, many Christians who insist on living through actions, and scorn those who think it's passable to simply be mentally accepting. In fact, I view the latter to be a pathetic cop-out.
 
Raeven0 said:
A lot of the people replying seem to have the intellect of a mango.

Silly Christians.
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Well, its true that the more religious you are the less likely you are to be intelligent. Replies like "Next time just name the article "I'm Racist Against Christians" so I don't waist my time reading two paragraphs of your stupid rant filled this unintelligent generic bashing crap." are to be expected really.
 
I'm neither Christian nor religious, but that article was a little too offensive. And the author makes sweeping generalisations.
 
He was ranting. Some points were interesting.

Its great we have this kind of freedom of speech though whether you agree or not.
So sad we dont have+"defend" this kind of freedom of speech on all accounts including other religions...
 
99.vikram said:
I'm neither Christian nor religious, but that article was a little too offensive. And the author makes sweeping generalisations.
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Not really.

I used to go to a Catholic school, and in the eighth grade, my religion teacher said something allong the lines of "it's easy to SAY you're loyal to god, but when put in an extreme situation that questions your religion, what would you REALLY do?".

This being said by a man who drove a Harley to school while his wife drove a minivan to the same school, just for the hell of it.

When you're around Catholics and Christians for 2 years of your life, you really start to notice the bullshit.

I was suspended from that school for cracking a stinkbomb in class. Every single one of my teachers, that day, had a special half hour of their lesson plan designated for screaming at me and saying i'm a vandal, a criminal, and a one minded fool.

God forgives. Do you?

My teacher once screamed at me cause he overheard me telling my friends that my mom "thought he was an idiot who didn't know what he was talking about" (regarding a project). Right as he heard what I said, he told me that he wanted to see me after class.

I was speaking the truth (my mom is a news editor, he's a teacher...),he DIDN'T know what he was talking about.

Would God prefer I lie to you?

I almost failed the eigth grade because I didn't have enough "mandatory community service hours" for my religion class.

There's a difference between being forced to do the right thing, and doing it because you believe it's the right thing to do, correct? Last time I checked at least.

Everyday, our Nun of a Principal would come on the school PA system and speak of how she hoped "that all the girls would take vows of celebacy, swear to chastity, give up all their possesions, live in the monastary, and devote their entire life to praising the lord and his words".

The nuns had a Widescreen TV on south the end of the second floor of the monastary.

I used to come to school a half hour early, every day. Me and my friends would hang out in the line designated for our grade, which was being watched by our teachers.

There was this girl at school, her name was Tani. She had an AMAZING ass. Most people on campus knew this.

One morning, I watched as she walked past my teacher, leaning over with her ass cocked out for GOD knows why. My teachers eyes trailed her iconic bottom around the parking lot for what had to be a minute. Apparently he also knew of her amazing ass.

Last night, I watched the Davinci Code. On its own, it's a good movie. I really liked how the movie portrayed the entire religion as a hoax.

I saw a man walk out of the theatre with a golden cross the size of my index, middle, and ring digits combined. Said cross had a solid gold jesus haging two inches off its face. Irony, eh?
 
sinkoman said:
And I, personally, hate Christians. Not much they've ever done for society, aside from criticise everybody who isn't one of them.
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Psssh... you need to open your mind and hate all religions equally.
 
imo its kind of naive to think/expect religion can "cure" mankind of hatred, ego and lust for wealth...
Driving towards that goal though, even though rationally you know you'll never reach it, is that so bad and full of bullshit??
If the methods used are bad, then i agree, but i find it a bit stupid to trash and generalise religion because it cant solve all of mankinds natural egocentric problems...

The people i think we should focus on are extremists. And infortunatly you find those in all classes of man, whether its religion, atheism or your local soccer-team supporters, you'll always find morons taking things to serious..

We should make sure things like religion lose all power and fall into a subtle-part of society.
Ah well, that will probably never happen :( "those in power are afraid of losing it" :p
 
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