UK Students Punished for Not Praying to Allah

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notice the mild title. yeah, i won't go full attention whore this time.

ritish students have been punished for not praying to Allah, the Daily Mail reports. The two students from year seven (11-to-12-year-olds) at Alsager High School were apparently sent to detention Tuesday of last week for refusing to kneel down and “pray to Allah” in religious education class. The rest of the class was apparently denied its snack break as punishment.
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http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=5310.3599.0.0


so the teacher was a muslim extremist or something?
 
' the Daily Mail reports'
Don't believe a word of it. Find better source.
 
I am not racist, I’ve been friendly with an Indian for 30 years. I’ve also been to a Muslim wedding...
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lol

Eh, students shouldn't be forced to take part in the prayers if they don't want to. They're there to learn about the religions, not necessarily to practice them.
 
Hmmm interesting. If a teacher ever told me to do that I would flat out refuse to be honest.


One thing in the article made me laugh though

"I am not racist, I’ve been friendly with an Indian for 30 years."

Tehe.


Edit# Dang it Emporius, I'm not deleting anything.
 
Solaris said:
' the Daily Mail reports'
Don't believe a word of it. Find better source.
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Not liking the political views of a national newspaper is not sufficient enough to deem every article as downright falsified. Grow up.

I personally don't find it too difficult to spot bias in news articles.
 
neptuneuk said:
Not liking the political views of a national newspaper is not sufficient enough to deem every article as downright falsified. Grow up.
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**** off.

The daily mail outright makes up news. I have no respect for a word they print.
 
I'm not defending the daily mail's reporting accuracy, but at least I'm not making outragous claims to support my opinion.
 
This story was first published on July 8, 2008. That is almost a year ago, Jverne. Got any more old news? How about the sack of Jerusalem in 1098? That was done by Christians btw. Oh and a year before that: cannibalism! Next time, post a topic about the Persians. They were a big threat to the Greeks in 500 BC. GTFO
 
neptuneuk said:
I'm not defending the daily mail's reporting accuracy, but at least I'm not making outragous claims to support my opinion.
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What claims have I made?

You don't think the Daily Mail makes up news?
Ever heard of MMR and Autism?
 
You answered your own question. But I will amend my original statement as to not deviate from my original point.
Not liking a national newspaper is not sufficient enough to deem every published article as downright falsified. If you disagree with this statement, respond appropriately with your rationale. I never cited the daily mail as a reputable news source so you have no need to try and prove otherwise. All news reports should be regarded with some level of cynicism.

On topic : If the situation was reversed (muslims being forcefully subjected to christian worship), then there would actually be consequences.
 
The impression I get is that they were given detention for not taking part in the activity, rather than not praying to Allah specifically.

It's a pretty silly thing to do but there we go.

The Daily Mail is a terrible source for news unless your name is K and you're hunting aliens.
As for the Telegraph; though more reliable, yes, they still have a bias which I think this story can fit into nicely. Calling it the Torygraph says enough probably.

So, the incident happened, but like I said, I think it was probably a case of (As it mentions in the article) the teacher trying out a role play activity with the students, without first thinking it through or perhaps explaining it properly.

I wouldn't pray to Allah seriously, but if it was part of some role play i.e., acting, then I'd be less uncomfortable doing it.
 
I would not be at all surprised if this is true. I find it disgusting. Teaching pupils about another religion is all well and good but forcing them to part take in some sort of praying exercise is retarded. The teacher (if this is true) should be suspended and barred from being in any teaching job again.

I found this a compelling and disturbing read: http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=2920.0.88.0
 
The reputation of the newspaper aside, if its true I hope that teacher got fired.

When I was taking RE classes I was taught about multiple religions from a secular impartial perspective.


It helped me develop a natural and rock solid contempt for all faith. :)

Forcing kids in a school environment to pray to any god is so just not acceptable I wouldn't complain if the offending teacher got banned from ever teaching again.


Separation of church and state please.
 
Well in England daily religious worship in schools is required by law.
 
If the teacher made them pray to, say, all of five major religions, then I'd have nothing against this.

It's very tempting to say WAAH, WAAAH, KIDS IN SCHOOL MADE TO DO ARBITRARY STUPID THINGS. Welcome to school. New School.

I don't know.
 
My impression is as Farrow said -- it was a class activity (taken too far, perhaps) and the teacher slapped the kids in detention for refusing to participate. I see nothing abhorrent in participating in a roleplay of religious activities; it's far from being forced through indoctrination. It is, after all, a learning exercise, and certainly one to be encouraged if you are applying it to religious study as a whole.

I am not racist, I’ve been friendly with an Indian for 30 years. I’ve also been to a Muslim wedding.
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Haha, this amused me greatly.
 
When i was in primary school we were forced to pray at the start and end of the day. We were also forced to sing religious hymns at assembly's and on some occasions had to go on trips to the church.The farther of the church would come to the school and give us lectures as well, all of this was compulsory. I really hated that school.
 
Samon said:
My impression is as Farrow said -- it was a class activity (taken too far, perhaps) and the teacher slapped the kids in detention for refusing to participate. I see nothing abhorrent in participating in a roleplay of religious activities; it's far from being forced through indoctrination. It is, after all, a learning exercise, and certainly one to be encouraged if you are applying it to religious study as a whole.
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Secular state, secular schooling.

When I was in RE we were taught about other religions impartially, keeping it academic and we didn't need to "roleplay" either.


Sorry but even forcing kids to "pretend" against their will is not only offensive to perhaps their own beliefs, its also against the spirit of the modern education system where everyone is free to learn and develop without being indoctrinated or forced into religious acts against their will.
 
Whether they were forced to actually pray or required to roleplay does make a big difference. That said, I don't think either is suitable for a classroom activity. It's one thing to play devil's advocate in the classroom for the purpose of an exercise, like when you're told to argue from a particular point of view you may disagree with. There's educational value in that. I don't see what can be taken away from forcing your students to slap hands together in mock prayer. Except perhaps resentment.
 
nurizeko said:
Secular state, secular schooling.

When I was in RE we were taught about other religions impartially, keeping it academic and we didn't need to "roleplay" either.


Sorry but even forcing kids to "pretend" against their will is not only offensive to perhaps their own beliefs, its also against the spirit of the modern education system where everyone is free to learn and develop without being indoctrinated or forced into religious acts against their will.
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This is true enough -- I am a stern advocate of secular schooling, but I also think participatory roleplay has some educational value, as I said. The operative word is here is participatory. I certainly was not suggesting children should be forced to comply to such a roleplay, but rather choose to of their own free will. Y'know, that typical classroom scenario -- "Do we have any volunteers to act it out?"
 
Samon said:
This is true enough -- I am a stern advocate of secular schooling, but I also think participatory roleplay has some educational value, as I said. The operative word is here is participatory. I certainly was not suggesting children should be forced to comply to such a roleplay, but rather choose to of their own free will. Y'know, that typical classroom scenario -- "Do we have any volunteers to act it out?"
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have to agree with Mister Evil here.

forcing anyone for such a non critical class is wrong. (exams are not actually forced, but what went on in that classroom is different level of schooling)
 
nurizeko said:
Secular state, secular schooling.
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The UK is not a secular state, it's official religion is church of england. The school are required by law to have religious worship daily too.
 
Solaris said:
The UK is not a secular state, it's official religion is church of england. The school are required by law to have religious worship daily too.
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Yeah, but how many actually do? I can't remember doing anything remotely religious at school since primary school.
 
Atomic_Piggy said:
Yeah, but how many actually do? I can't remember doing anything remotely religious at school since primary school.
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All mine did; I'm just saying you can't use the school being secular as an argument, because it isn't.

It should, but it isn't.
 
Hmmmmmm... Now you mention it, I remember everyone having prayers at the end of assembly in primary school, back when I was young and ignorant.

But in secondary school, no such thing. I remember RE classes being a complete doss.
 
It's kind of weird how he actually washed one of the girls' feet. It's the sort of thing you'd see in a mediocre comedy show. For all that article's obvious reference to growing Islamic influence, I don't think it actually says whether the teacher was a Muslim or not. You'd think a paper like the Daily Mail would make it pretty clear if he was. I'm kind of at a loss as to why on Earth the guy actually did this. If it was some kind of sneaky attempt at converting the whole class to Islam, it was a pretty shit one. The role play thing seems much more likely, and I can easily imagine a teacher using role play as a teaching aid in RE, simply to try and make the lesson more interesting. But you wouldn't think the head of RE, presumably an experienced teacher, would actually force the whole class to pray to Allah, splash water on a girl's feet and even tell them off for getting it wrong. What kind of teaching aid is that? He should have known it was a retarded thing to do, and I don't know why he didn't.


Atomic_Piggy said:
Yeah, but how many actually do? I can't remember doing anything remotely religious at school since primary school.
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I think that law only applies to primary schools. And it has to be Christian worship too. I don't really know how old that law is, or why the hell it still exists in a government that calls itself secular and supposedly thinks equally of all religions. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more dedicated Muslims in this country now than there are dedicated Christians, and either way, the majority are either non-religious or only weakly Christian. If the children were really crying out to commit their ever-lasting souls to God, you'd think they could just go to a church.
 
Sounds like a girls name to me. Trannies are even more evil than Muslims.
 
Why does everyone love this Allah dude so much? All he does is go around having sex with gay prostitutes and sniffing coke off their weiners, I should know, I was one.
 
Godron said:
I think that law only applies to primary schools. And it has to be Christian worship too. I don't really know how old that law is, or why the hell it still exists in a government that calls itself secular and supposedly thinks equally of all religions. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more dedicated Muslims in this country now than there are dedicated Christians, and either way, the majority are either non-religious or only weakly Christian. If the children were really crying out to commit their ever-lasting souls to God, you'd think they could just go to a church.
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Not true.
 
FOR AUIR!

Wait..*reads OP*...

Ahhhh! Allah, not Auir, my bad.
 
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