United States and the World

[Morbo]

I want to start a discussion with anyone from any country about the relationship between United States and the World. I want to *try* to let military and war out of this discussion if possible, because it has already been discussed a lot anyway.

You see, I am from Quebec, and here people took time to remember those who died 2 years ago in WTC. I thought of what happened then, and what happened during those two years, and that really depressed me.

I remember that one of the first things many persons here did was to give blood. Specialists went to help at Ground Zero. Most countries in the world offered all their support to the United States. Even Cuba offered help to United States...

It was a very sad day for the whole world I think. So many deaths is or should be painful to everyone.

There is something I want to know, so I ask you americans: Did you know that all those countries that represents billions of people offered help and support? Because I know that Bush isn't the kind of guy who gives a f*** about what happens in other countries, and I know that world news are just 2% of the news in United States. Are you even interested in what happens outside US?

It's not an accusation, I honestly just want to know. Here in Quebec, we have a lot of news about other countries, mostly about France and US, because we're kind of a cultural mix. And I think that European must get even more world news. So it's kind of strange to see Americans talk about other countries. From the outside, it feels like the normal american just doesn't care.

Anyway, sorry for my english, I know it's not very good, but I make a lot of effort, and thanks in advance for your answers, I really want to understand United States better.

 

[DimitriPopov]

Originally posted by Morbo
I want to start a discussion with anyone from any country about the relationship between United States and the World. I want to *try* to let military and war out of this discussion if possible, because it has already been discussed a lot anyway.

You see, I am from Quebec, and here people took time to remember those who died 2 years ago in WTC. I thought of what happened then, and what happened during those two years, and that really depressed me.

I remember that one of the first things many persons here did was to give blood. Specialists went to help at Ground Zero. Most countries in the world offered all their support to the United States. Even Cuba offered help to United States...

It was a very sad day for the whole world I think. So many deaths is or should be painful to everyone.

There is something I want to know, so I ask you americans: Did you know that all those countries that represents billions of people offered help and support? Because I know that Bush isn't the kind of guy who gives a f*** about what happens in other countries, and I know that world news are just 2% of the news in United States. Are you even interested in what happens outside US?

It's not an accusation, I honestly just want to know. Here in Quebec, we have a lot of news about other countries, mostly about France and US, because we're kind of a cultural mix. And I think that European must get even more world news. So it's kind of strange to see Americans talk about other countries. From the outside, it feels like the normal american just doesn't care.

Anyway, sorry for my english, I know it's not very good, but I make a lot of effort, and thanks in advance for your answers, I really want to understand United States better.

This is so inflamatory and "Canada is a Utopia of Caring" that Im not even going to respond..... rofl.

 

[LoneDeranger]

Nah, US has plenty of world news, especially when it's related to politics. I depends on which channel you watch.

The reason you get the feeling that Americans "don't care" is because of some isolationist ideas our founding fathers had. Many Americans think that US messing with the rest of the world will have a negative effect in the long run.

 

[Morbo]

DimitriPopov, think what you want but I never said that Canada was an "Utopia of Caring". What I said about US was just a feeling and I'm sure that most Americans care about other countries and culture. United States is an unique country, no doubt, but it's a very complicated country too. I want to know how Americans see the world, that's all. So DimitriPopov, if you have nothing to say, don't say anything.

Thanks a lot LoneDeranger. As I said it's a feeling many have where I'm from. I'm very interested to know what causes it. Maybe it's the message in the movies you know, like in Independance Day or Behind Enemy Lines. Seeing WWII movies without a trace of any other Ally country may add to that feeling (that's an example).

George W. Bush and co. are probably responsible of that in sme ways too. Just think about environment. Because of Bush, United States won't be part of the Protocol of Kyoto. The thing is, many of US air pollution goes north, if you see what I mean... And there is a conflict with wood that is causing a lot of damage to the economy of many parts of Canada, and Bush doesn't care. Since this guy represents US, that's not a good image for us here. Bah, 250 millions didn't vote for him anyway...

What are your thoughts on it? And on US attitude towards other countries and vice versa?

Oh and if people are just going to make pointless comments like DimitriPopov's, mods please just delete this thread. I post my questions here because I think that on this forum, people are open-minded and intelligent enough to discuss that kind of things without flaming, bashing or insulting.

About Canada, it has its share of people who doesn't care. You know, it was horrifying for me to hear that some people saw the 9/11 events like a justified payback... What a bunch of morons. Others complained that it was getting boring because we saw too much of it on the news. In my country I heard so horrible comments on Americans you wouldn't believe it. Anti-americanism is frequent here, sadly.

EDIT: Corrected some sentences that didn't mean anything. Someday I'll learn to speak english

 

[DimitriPopov]

Ok yeah , if youre going to insult me Im not going to provide anything constructive. Also you say you want unbiased views but you continue to bash the President and the country. I say those things because your post hides behind your request for unbiased and unpolitical replies all the while sneakily and subtly attacking the US and the President over and over.

 

[Vertigo]

Hrm...

Yeah...it's been a while since I've posted here. I've more or less been a silent spectator since...well, the start of the summer. But, I felt the need to toss in my little essay. I have a little Livejournal account, and I made a little rant on this subject. I'm from Ontario, Canada (Hamilton, to be precise), so I guess I'm bound to be insulted for saying Canada is a utopia as well, etc. etc. Sorry if this offends anyone, but it's my beliefs, and I have a right to them.

Two years ago today, four airplanes were hijacked in the Eastern United States. Two of them were flown into the World Trade Center towers in lower Manhattan, destroying both and killing thousands. Another crashed into the Pentagon while the fourth crashed in field in Pennsylvania.

The hysteria caused by September 11th is unprecedented in human history. Perhaps only relatable to the widespread fear caused by pandemics, "911" and "September 11th" have become the first true buzzwords of the new millennium. Turned into a three-ring media circus, the tragedy of September 11th has been morphed into the most diabolic and unprovoked disaster in American history. Two years later, many Americans have yet to take a step back from the overwhelming horror of that day to ask themselves the most crucial of questions.

Why did it happen?

There is no denying that what befell the people of Manhattan that day was horrific. In the city’s long history few happenings, if any, come close to the impact of that morning. And like many things in US history, New York City once again acted as a filter to the rest of the nation, providing it with a new chapter in the American experience, the destruction of the seemingly impregnable bubble of 20th century American invincibility.

Two years after the fact we find ourselves in a world in which not only the rules, but also the reasons for them, have become exasperatingly confused. So much so that the attacks of September 11th have been turned into justification for the United States to enact whatever new foreign policy measures that it sees fit. Iraq is a primary example of this, but we should not forget that Afghanistan was, and still is, no different. Nor should we turn a blind eye to the fact that the United States and Great Britain have acted beyond the guidelines of international laws and organizations to accomplish those goals that the opportunities provided by the attacks of September 11th have afforded them.

The majority of the hijackers that day were Saudi nationals yet Saudi Arabia was not included in President Bush’s "Axis of Evil". Not surprisingly, the United States and Britain have very close financial ties to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia; a nation in which public executions still take place and one that has a checkered human rights record to say the least. Yet somehow the United States and Britain can use similar themes and claims to justify the invasion of Iraq, a nation that produced precisely zero of the September 11th hijackers. Besides the never discovered weapons of mass destruction, one of the big reasons for the invasion was to oust Saddam Hussein and end the oppression of the Iraqi people. Strangely, they would never dream to press the Saudis for social reforms, let alone invade Saudi Arabia because of them, even though the majority of the September 11th hijackers were in fact Saudis.

I'll be hated for saying this, but this new American unilateralism was bought and paid for with the blood of thousands of innocent New Yorkers, their memories used to keep us focused on an event that has allowed the US government the sort of free reigning power that pushed Americans of yore to rebel in the first place. Which, to me, is so ironic that it almost isn’t.

To understand the reasons for September 11th all one has to do is spend some time studying US global involvements and undertakings in the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s. That’s not to say that anyone will ever have enough of a justification to fly jet liners into skyscrapers, just that there are always two sides to everything and that to not attempt to look at both sides with equal mistrust and understanding is folly.

We here in fortress America enjoy outstanding liberties, so much so that we tend to ignore them. If anything, we owe it to the memories of those that perished on September 11th to not have their deaths used to further aid us in forgetting that our freedoms are not only our right, but also our charge. That it is easy to go off to distant lands and attempt to exact revenge and not notice that those spurring us on are simply using the grief and anger of others to initiate their own agendas. If anything, such an abuse of the public trust must be seen as a tragedy as well. And perhaps, when all is said and done, a much greater one than we have ever witnessed.

"Why" is the most difficult question to ask. It is not one whose context lends itself to the emotional design of anger. "Why" is the hardest question to both ask and answer. And that is precisely why we must ask it. For if we don’t there might come a time when asking why will not be a luxury afforded us. Simply because it won’t be in the best interest of those from whom we would expect an answer.

So...yeah. A bit long, but...yeah. I wrote this two days ago, so that's why it says 2 years ago today...

-Vert

 

[h00dlum]

i got FOXnews at home..and its not that bad..they cover alot...but the majority of news is American no doubt..

 

[dawdler]

Why even bother... Anything discussed is just dull. Cause everything is wrong with the world, and US included.

Our Swedish foreign minister got murdered on the 11th. 50,000 people gathered to hear the prime ministers live speech. And what is mentioned in a little note in the paper is that a 5 year old girl was also brutally murdered just after. But she seems to be forgotten :dozey:

That's whats wrong.

 

[Aethaecyn]

People die every second, its no surprise they didn't pay much attention to a 5 year old girl, much the same if someone famous is murder they call it assassination and give more focus unto it.

However in a response to Morbo you cannot know the feelings of bush, being that what he does to get votes, and what he believes are two seperate things. Oh you get pollution well what do you want Bush to do? Force everyone to go around in a horse and buggy? Yea, that would win him the next presidency. And also I am tired of being damn generalized and discriminized because I'm an american and your media and popular opinion in other countries is bullshit. Americans have ALOT of stuff about overseas on the news, or about other countries, more than we have of stuff about our own country actually, and americans in general do care alot about other countries and their wellfare why the hell do you think we keep going after dictators and stuff? To protect ourselves?

Also I'm sure some dumb bastards over here look down on other countries and think themselves superior or whatever, I mean look their is a million dumb bastards over here who think rubbing cream on your legs will cause your thighs to become slimmer and crap like that, however any american with a brain knows fullwell our dependence on other countries and the relations between those and how they are necessary, I for one don't go around generalizing people and DAMN do those anti-american people piss me the hell off because they have no ****ing basis for their opinions, illogical bastards. And our president doesn't represent our country, you may think that but most americans are tired of how we are forced to vote for like a selection of two people, i for one am tired of those lame political parties that force you to categorize your opinions, and only about 60 million people voted for him cause everyone realizes what a sham it is, it doesn't really matter which president you pick they do the same stuff overall.

And I mean I understand DimitriPopov's comments in that I am trying really hard to not get really f'ing pissed at what you said, and anti-americanism is funny in a way, especially in CANADA of all places, it's country slogan should be "Copy America", cause that's all it really is, I mean it is basically a big cold america, the people their are no different except some speak french and their is just as much anti-americanism in america, you know dumbasses come from all places. Of course I don't really understand why they would say that being most of the economy is dependent upon us, and like your military could probably be overwhelmed by some new york gang, and if we were to somehow lose a war or something because of all your anti-americanism crap it would be sort of ironic in that were all thats keeping you from being taken over by any other random country. and how do you figure neutrality even makes sense if america wasn't here? Were all that allows you to adopt that stance cause frankly if someone wants to invade you they don't really give a crap if your neutral or not you know? And if you were nuetral why would you maintain a military regardless of its size? See I can go on generalizing canada like you do to the US but I suppose I won't cause I'm off to play some halflife..

 

[bastard_loud]

The USA seems to be thinking they're superior to the rest of the world.
And that's the number 1 problem most "Anti-Americans" have.

I truly, truly detest your country's foreign policy, and your president.

 

[crabcakes66]

Originally posted by bastard_loud
The USA seems to be thinking they're superior to the rest of the world.

I believe most americans dont feel that way. We are people who get up in the morning, go to work and support our familys like everyone else.

I dont feel that im better than anyone.

We get a bad rap from the more outspoken among us.


Our presidential administration has to go....... I dont dispute that. I wont be voting for bush ,I can assure you.

But people wonder why americans get so defensive when we are critiscised on certain things?

We love our country. We love what its "supposed" to stand for.

We realise we have major problems........and atleast "I" realise that our government is very hipocritical....

But its not like things are going to change overnight.......bush still has another year...thats how things work over here...

We hear other countrys talking about trying(sp?) bush as a war criminal.......

Regarless of wether you or I agree with what he did.


Thats just rediculous.

Thats the kind of thing that makes americans "feel" that your not worth there time......

 

[LoneDeranger]

It's funny how all these people critisize the US, but they neglect the most important question:

Has the US done anything wrong to your country?

Of course the answer is NO. In fact, your country would be in a pretty bad shape without the US because 1/2 or more of its trade is with us.

 

[DimitriPopov]

Originally posted by LoneDeranger
It's funny how all these people critisize the US, but they neglect the most important question:

Has the US done anything wrong to your country?

Of course the answer is NO. In fact, your country would be in a pretty bad shape without the US because 1/2 or more of its trade is with us.

Indeed. Thats what irks me most , blind and unprovoked hate. Basically I think its just hating the biggest , richest kid on the block out of jealousy.

PS - Canada owns because its so much wilderness

PPS- I almost want to get Bush out of office just so whiners like you would shut up , and he may not do everything perfectly , but so long as he gets the job done and doesnt back down as other politicians would , he stays.

 

[bastard_loud]

Great way of displaying the true American way of thinking LoneDerangedOne. You're just confirming what i mentioned earlier.

Crabcakes: I know there are a lot of US citizens who don't the same way their government does. I was initially talking about the presidential administration, but you have to agree there are way too much of these supposedly "patriotic" Americans who have a total retarded way of thinking when it comes to foreign issues. Like LoneDeranger.

 

[DimitriPopov]

Originally posted by bastard_loud
Great way of displaying the true American way of thinking LoneDerangedOne. You're just confirming what i mentioned earlier.

Crabcakes: I know there are a lot of US citizens who don't the same way their government does. I was initially talking about the presidential administration, but you have to agree there are way too much of these supposedly "patriotic" Americans who have a total retarded way of thinking when it comes to foreign issues. Like LoneDeranger.

Youre further confirming the blind hate he was talking about , take a minute and think about what you said , and what he said. ANd forget abut the 1/2 trade line.

 

[bastard_loud]

Originally posted by DimitriPopov
Basically I think its just hating the biggest , richest kid on the block out of jealousy.

It's being arrogant behavior like this that people hate.

Jealous? I'm not living in a poor country. And i sure as hell wouldn't want to live in the USA.

Also, i think it's quite funny the way you say "richest kid on the block", being in a country that has SO MUCH poverty amongst it's people.

 

[DimitriPopov]

Originally posted by bastard_loud
It's being arrogant behavior like this that people hate.

Jealous? I'm not living in a poor country. And i sure as hell wouldn't want to live in the USA.

Why do you hate the US , prove your point instead of just saying it. Do it maturily though lol I know youre not living in a poor country , BTW and I never said that thnx.

 

[LoneDeranger]

Originally posted by bastard_loud

Also, i think it's quite funny the way you say "richest kid on the block", being in a country that has SO MUCH poverty amongst it's people.

Really now? So much poverty? You show me a poor person in US and I'll show you a person that

a) Has housing
b) Has money for food
c) Has medical care

I wonder how many other countries do the same for their people.

 

[bastard_loud]

I never said i hated the USA, i hate your government's foreign policy.
I can understand why a lot of people out there hate you guys tho, and if you don't, then i suggest you watch something else than CNN.

Somehow i get the feeling you're not even an old enough person i'd want to discuss this with.

 

[bastard_loud]

This discussion is useless. It's like whats going on in real politics,
people try to open your eyes, but you're just too stubborn to see it.

It's all good though, and a lot of sane thinking Americans will agree with me, but i'll stop posting in this thread. Have a great American life. lol.

 

[DimitriPopov]

Originally posted by bastard_loud
This discussion is useless. It's like whats going on in real politics,
people try to open your eyes, but you're just too stubborn to see it.

It's all good though, and a lot of sane thinking Americans will agree with me, but i'll stop posting in this thread. Have a great American life. lol.

You serious? You havent explained anything. Explain why other people might hate the US , and then we can talk. Right now we are just re-hashing the same useless points , if you want to have a real debate , you have to participate. Right now you sir are the one being immature.

 

[crabcakes66]

Originally posted by DimitriPopov
You serious? You havent explained anything. Explain why other people might hate the US , and then we can talk. Right now we are just re-hashing the same useless points , if you want to have a real debate , you have to participate. Right now you sir are the one being immature.

I have to agree here.

You call others immature and yet you are insulting america witghout even backing it up with reasons and factual information.

If you are willing to have a civilised conversation with mature people then lets do it.

But you calling lonederanger immature is like the pot calling the ketle black, so to speak.

 

[bastard_loud]

I'm not really into debating with people who are being stubbornly blind.
Read up on some relevant threads on this topic, then you'll know why people have less sympathy with the USA than they used to.
Some of your fellow American dudes have made excellent points.

Anyway, i don't really care about this thread anymore.
You may think it's immature, or cowardly or even that i don't know what i'm talking about. It's all good to me, you're probably some redneck that thinks the right to bear arms is the best thing ever.

Keep thinking the USA is the number 1 richest, most powerful, most influencial, and ofcourse best country in the world. I hope you're happy, because i know i am, living in a country that actually cares about it's people and neighbouring countries.

You know what? I'd probably even think the same way as you guys, if i lived there. I don't blame you guys, you're just brainwashed by your government, and the current attitude of your country.

Ofcourse, this is my own uneducated, biased, uninformed, anti-american, and immature opinion, so flame away. USA nr. 1!!!!!

 

[DimitriPopov]

Originally posted by bastard_loud
I'm not really into debating with people who are being stubbornly blind.
Read up on some relevant threads on this topic, then you'll know why people have less sympathy with the USA than they used to.
Some of your fellow American dudes have made excellent points.

Anyway, i don't really care about this thread anymore.
You may think it's immature, or cowardly or even that i don't know what i'm talking about. It's all good to me, you're probably some redneck that thinks the right to bear arms is the best thing ever.

Keep thinking the USA is the number 1 richest, most powerful, most influencial, and ofcourse best country in the world. I hope you're happy, because i know i am, living in a country that actually cares about it's people and neighbouring countries.

You know what? I'd probably even think the same way as you guys, if i lived there. I don't blame you guys, you're just brainwashed by your government, and the current attitude of your country.

Ofcourse, this is my own uneducated, biased, uninformed, anti-american, and immature opinion, so flame away. USA nr. 1!!!!!

Rgr that.

loudbastard proving that all he knows about America is sterotypes in 1 post- Priceless



I win. ( as well as LoneDeRanger)

 

[RoyalEF]

Originally posted by LoneDeranger
Really now? So much poverty? You show me a poor person in US and I'll show you a person that

a) Has housing
b) Has money for food
c) Has medical care

What freaking designer drugs are you on?

How about this one, my father died of cancer. The only operation that might have saved his life was far too expense for our family to afford ($100,000+). He worked for 25 years for a company and when he became too sick to do his job they let him go. He had crappy health care and died with $60,000 of debt, $37K of which were medical. He was financially destitute.

I can point to any one of the dozen homeless who sleep on the steps of churches on Park Avenue in NYC. They don't have housing nor medical care behind emergency. You think they can walk into a doctor's office and get a yearly checkup or a cleaning from a dentist? And many social services aren't available when you can't have an address.

I wonder how many other countries do the same for their people.

Most/all first world countries have social programs. Some far more extensive than our glorious "don't dare say anything bad about us or we'll mock you, cripple your economy or flatten your military" US of A.

 

[bastard_loud]

What's that saying again about Internet beef?

It's like the Special Olympics, even if you win you're a retard? Aha. Ok...
You can be the uber-retard then, and i'll just take my loss.

I know it's stereotypical, your ignorance-ridden responses made me do it - but trust me when i say i have enough knowledge about world-politics, and look beyond stereotypes. You can't deny the fact that shit is wrong in the world, and the USA is dealing with it their own way, instead
of cooperating with the rest of the world.

I could make a "Shit Gone Wrong in American History"-list, or even fill a 1 hour televisionshow about the subject, but to be honest, i'm quite lazy in the weekend and on top of that, im quite stoned as well.
If i had known i, as a foreigner, was going to teach you American History in this thread, i'd had come better prepared.
But at the moment, i just don't give a shit anymore about you.

I guess you did win, because i failed to see beforehand it's near impossible to get something through over the net. Especially something this big.

You sir, are TEH W1NNAR!!!!1111

 

[LoneDeranger]

I'm sorry for your father, but I came from a country where hundreds of kids die from AIDS every day because hospitals can't even afford clean needdles for each child.

Free healthcare does not mean good healthcare, that's for sure.

 

[LoneDeranger]

History has nothing to do with it. I'm sure if we pull up the history of a European country like Germany, we'll come across a few interesting situations, no?

 

[bastard_loud]

Observe. Think. Use your brain.

Germany has learned. Look at them now.

America has not learned from their mistakes, and it's a goddamn shame that everytime the USA ****s up, it affects the rest of the world.

 

[Zeus]

Originally posted by Morbo
Maybe it's the message in the movies you know, like in Independance Day or Behind Enemy Lines. Seeing WWII movies without a trace of any other Ally country may add to that feeling (that's an example).

How bout you lazy canuks make your own war movies. But no, you just watch ours, then complain that the movies are only about the US.

 

[bastard_loud]

Hahaha.. thanks. I think?

Anyways, that was SO stupid it actually made me laugh very hard.

[edit]I'm not Canadian, if that's what you meant with "canuks".

 

[RoyalEF]

Morbo, American egotism is very big and has been for many, many years. People love to refer to our "rescue" of others during WWII, however they conveniently ignore the years we stood buy and watched "allies" suffer months and years of war, aggression and suffering. We did nothing and let the problem grow into a World War cause we were simply above such conflicts. Not our problem. Let them die. We still do it today. The US and much of the world has ignored horrible things and done nothing, only to talk later on how we come to people's resuce when we feel like it or when we will commericall profit from it. Despite alterior motives fueling so many of our actions, we constantly paint ourselves as benefactors of the world.

Simple fact is all countries perform acts of benevolence and assistance. We are in a position to afford it far more than anyone else and we take and consume far more than anyone else. It is questionable which country is more benevolent. Motives behind such acts are far more telling.

Having to spend some time in other countries working I found it amazing that we know nothing about some many other countries, while the rest of the world is so far more knowledgeable about the world. The only thing we care about is if there is some food there that we can eat.

Case in point, how many countries can you name the head of.. Britian, Canada, Germany, Switzerland, Japan, China, Afghanistan? Yet few in the world wouldn't know Bush was president. People can name American cities, but all too many Americans would have trouble knowing where Brussels, Munich, or Ankara is.

Some of this is because of the extreme infuence we have on media and news channels around the world. US news is pushed out onto the world, where the reverse simply doesn't happen. I recall the disbelief of foreigners when the news channels reported on OJ SImpson. They didn't understand why anyone should care about this, yet it made the news around the world. People laughed. They laughed again when Monica Lewinsky made the rounds. I heard time and again..."What is wrong with your people that they obsess over such unimportant crap".

Americans are naive, or perhaps our degrading education system has finally turned out enough generations of the undereducated for people not to be able to know better.

The concepts of monopolies, market controls, government "regulation", and trade agreement and tariffs don't weigh much on the minds of most people. They don't recognize that in order for America to outconsume the entire world it means we will spend lots of money (consuming resources from all other countries). And that money indebts and exhorts controls and pressure on other nations that they don't have. If they were as greedy and wasteful as Americans they too could be a super-consumer nation. Now that the government is handing out licenses to make money in captive Iraq chiefly to American companies (and no doubt well connected ones) Americans see this as an act of benevolence. We are bringing wonders to them...and we will control their TVs, and phones, and radios, and power, and water, and oil. We will fill their cities with McDonalds and Pepsi in every store. And American's will think...well they wouldn't buy it if they didn't want too. Yes, but why aren't our stores filled with Afghanistan brand shirts, French jeans, German TV sets, and Danish foods. Because we don't allow thers to flood our markets and hurt our internal industries with competition. We only do that to countries we can outmuscle.

Add to this American's apathy with our own political systems and you get a perfect condition for things to remain the same or get worse. Just look at the historically low turnout at voter polls year after year. People would rather talk about who samg best on American Idol last night.

 

[LoneDeranger]

Originally posted by bastard_loud
Observe. Think. Use your brain.

Germany has learned. Look at them now.

America has not learned from their mistakes, and it's a goddamn shame that everytime the USA ****s up, it affects the rest of the world.

Everybody thought America made a huge mistake when we purchased Alaska. Well look who's laughing now.

 

[Aethaecyn]

Originally posted by bastard_loud
What's that saying again about Internet beef?

It's like the Special Olympics, even if you win you're a retard? Aha. Ok...
You can be the uber-retard then, and i'll just take my loss.

I know it's stereotypical, your ignorance-ridden responses made me do it - but trust me when i say i have enough knowledge about world-politics, and look beyond stereotypes. You can't deny the fact that shit is wrong in the world, and the USA is dealing with it their own way, instead
of cooperating with the rest of the world.

I could make a "Shit Gone Wrong in American History"-list, or even fill a 1 hour televisionshow about the subject, but to be honest, i'm quite lazy in the weekend and on top of that, im quite stoned as well.
If i had known i, as a foreigner, was going to teach you American History in this thread, i'd had come better prepared.
But at the moment, i just don't give a shit anymore about you.

I guess you did win, because i failed to see beforehand it's near impossible to get something through over the net. Especially something this big.

You sir, are TEH W1NNAR!!!!1111

Yea and you can trust me when I say I sprout wings on a whim and fly faster than a jet, sorry but offering no proof and just saying something we are supposed to take on blind faith from someone who is being ignorant is kind of ridiculous don't you think?

Oh, so instead of having an intelligent discussion you just say things like You sir, are TEH W1NNAR and generalize americans as rednecks and saying you don't give a shit about "us" when in fact you take the time to type that out? Oh yea because you have nothing important to be concerned about, your countries so perfect and you would rather bitch about other people's countries and act as if you can change theirs since your to much of a shithead to get your head out of your ass. Oh yea and only americans are stuck up huh? You hypocritical stuck up bastard.

Oh and you could make a WHOLE HOUR television show on the subject? WOW! Oh the US is dealing with it in their own way instead of cooperating with the rest of the world? And what is the rest of the world doing? Yea just sitting their and letting their lives pass by, oh darn the day they would actually try to do something important with them.

"im quite stoned as well." yea I don't think we coulda possibly noticed... Perhaps you should have brought that up to invalidate your beliefs beforehand so we wouldn't be arguing pointlessly with you.


Royal EF health-care doesn't make people immortal pal and you should realize that, try living in Africa for a while and see what having no health-care is like, their is a difference Oh and the homeless on the steps of some place in NYC, I'm sorry but I feel no honest sympathy for homeless people for having no health-care, IF they are disabled they get compensated by the government, if they can't get a job and continue trying to they get unemployment, the fact of the matter is that most homeless people in america are that way because they are lazy to at least some extent, now perhaps they do need a home for that or an address but personally I doubt that its impossible for them to get compensated just because of that.

Ok and some other first-world countries may have better health-care programs... so? I personally don't plan on living forever it doesn't really change too much. I mean overpopulation exists anyway in places with hardly no medical care like china.

 

[Aethaecyn]

Originally posted by RoyalEF

Some of this is because of the extreme infuence we have on media and news channels around the world. US news is pushed out onto the world, where the reverse simply doesn't happen. I recall the disbelief of foreigners when the news channels reported on OJ SImpson. They didn't understand why anyone should care about this, yet it made the news around the world. People laughed. They laughed again when Monica Lewinsky made the rounds. I heard time and again..."What is wrong with your people that they obsess over such unimportant crap".

Americans are naive, or perhaps our degrading education system has finally turned out enough generations of the undereducated for people not to be able to know better.

The concepts of monopolies, market controls, government "regulation", and trade agreement and tariffs don't weigh much on the minds of most people. They don't recognize that in order for America to outconsume the entire world it means we will spend lots of money (consuming resources from all other countries). And that money indebts and exhorts controls and pressure on other nations that they don't have. If they were as greedy and wasteful as Americans they too could be a super-consumer nation. Now that the government is handing out licenses to make money in captive Iraq chiefly to American companies (and no doubt well connected ones) Americans see this as an act of benevolence. We are bringing wonders to them...and we will control their TVs, and phones, and radios, and power, and water, and oil. We will fill their cities with McDonalds and Pepsi in every store. And American's will think...well they wouldn't buy it if they didn't want too. Yes, but why aren't our stores filled with Afghanistan brand shirts, French jeans, German TV sets, and Danish foods. Because we don't allow thers to flood our markets and hurt our internal industries with competition. We only do that to countries we can outmuscle.

Add to this American's apathy with our own political systems and you get a perfect condition for things to remain the same or get worse. Just look at the historically low turnout at voter polls year after year. People would rather talk about who samg best on American Idol last night.

edit- sry enter button hit wrong thing, I'm typing response now, rofl

See that's what you don't realize is that you don't give a crap about monika lewinsky or OJ Simpson, NOBODY IN AMERICA gave a shit either, the news just operates on its own accord and personally I didn't give a damn about either event and wonder why the media is so lame where they even care about that stuff. Ok and I agree that it's possible for each nation to become powerful in that manner, I mean hey its economy, but that doesn't make our way wrong, its different than yours and I mean hell define how its negative for me without just trying to input false negative connotations on things like Pepsi?

Also on your last paragraph its because most americans agree with foreigners that our politcal system is bullshit, so don't hate americans, hate our current state of government or whatever but damn just cause people live somewhere doesn't make them part of their government, democracy is bullcrap here.

 

[crabcakes66]

Originally posted by bastard_loud
I'm not really into debating with people who are being stubbornly blind.
Read up on some relevant threads on this topic, then you'll know why people have less sympathy with the USA than they used to.
Some of your fellow American dudes have made excellent points.

Anyway, i don't really care about this thread anymore.
You may think it's immature, or cowardly or even that i don't know what i'm talking about. It's all good to me, you're probably some redneck that thinks the right to bear arms is the best thing ever.

Keep thinking the USA is the number 1 richest, most powerful, most influencial, and ofcourse best country in the world. I hope you're happy, because i know i am, living in a country that actually cares about it's people and neighbouring countries.

You know what? I'd probably even think the same way as you guys, if i lived there. I don't blame you guys, you're just brainwashed by your government, and the current attitude of your country.

Ofcourse, this is my own uneducated, biased, uninformed, anti-american, and immature opinion, so flame away. USA nr. 1!!!!!

Im curious bastard. How old are you?

You are ovbiously not an adult.

 

[bastard_loud]

I mentioned something about people being stubborn and blind.
This refers to you, Aethaecyn.

Your sig basically says it all, "to be hated is to achieve (typo there dude) distinction". If you think that's cool, you're the uber-retard in this thread.

 

[LoneDeranger]

Looks like the petty Canadians basically ran out of arguments and started making personal attacks on people's spelling.

My job in this thread is done.

 

[bastard_loud]

I'm 23 years old.

Haha, petty Canadians. I'm sure they'll like that.
But um, i'm not Canadian. Just shows how you skim through these posts.

 

[crabcakes66]

just stop there guys...this thread will be locked soon enough im sure.