US POW in Vietnam

[Estevan]

Does anyone know the conditions of the US POW in vietnam? What did the viets do to the US pows?

Thanks in Advance!

 

[jimbo118]

interesting thread, i dunno personally but am interested to see what comes up.

 

[The Monkey]

What's that?

 

[lister]

http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/cuinter.html

Torture apparently

 

[Foxtrot]

http://www.nwc.navy.mil/press/Review/1998/winter/art9-w98.htm

 

[lister]

http://www.nwc.navy.mil/press/Review/1998/winter/art9-w98.htm

Don't work

 

[MarcoPollo]

Don't work

Yeh it does.....

 

[Foxtrot]

Don't work

Works for me, useing Firefox.

 

[lister]

Yeh it does.....

Not for me using IE6

 

[nofx]

I heard viet women cut their balls off.

 

[Solaris]

Nothing in comparison with what the Americans did to the vietnameese.

 

[Foxtrot]

I heard viet women cut their balls off.

And that was on an easy day for the POW.

Nothing in comparison with what the Americans did to the vietnameese.

Exactly, we treat our POWs with what we would expect ours to be treated.

 

[The Monkey]

Nothing in comparison with what the Americans did to the vietnameese.

QFT. And there're many many other examples.

 

[Foxtrot]

QFT. And there're many many other examples.

That is a good example of how things can go wrong, and how they did not represent our Military, it was looked down on and even stopped by our of military.

 

[The Monkey]

That is a good example of how things can go wrong, and how they did not represent our Military, it was looked down on and even stopped by our of military.

"even stopped" :O As I said, the VW was one long list of war crimes, on both sides, this was just one incident.

 

[Foxtrot]

"even stopped" :O As I said, the VW was one long list of war crimes, on both sides, this was just one incident.

But it was not supported by our military, just a few units lost control and ****ed it up for everyone. With the VC though they fully supported the torture and rape of POWs.

 

[DarkStar]

I'm pretty sure most of them were eventaully released after the war.

At least, John McCain and most of his friends got out, from interviews I've read of him.

 

[MarcoPollo]

But it was not supported by our military, just a few units lost control and ****ed it up for everyone. With the VC though they fully supported the torture and rape of POWs.

Yes, with VC most of them didn't do it without direct orders. With the US there were some crazies that slipped through the preverbial cracks of the system.

 

[MilkMan12]

Yeah some of you guys dont realize how great we treat our POW's compared to most countries around the world. Its amazing how much we follow the ROE (rules of engagment) according to Geneva and its amazing how most countries dont. Yet of course the US is always at fault and is worse and is always portrayed as the meanest most gruesome country of all. Give me a break guys...its because the US is the worlds largest super power that people try to make us look bad. Stop believing everything the media shoves down your throat. The veitnames (not all) encouraged the torturing of US POW's. Yes a lot of people on our side went crazy and did some bad things however it was against our policy and they were punished. Theres no way you can stop things like that from happening occasionally...like the Abu graib (however you spell it) ordeal. I was surprised how crazy people went after it. I was like "Wtf this is nothing compared to what they do to their own people and our soldiers".

 

[MarcoPollo]

Yeah some of you guys dont realize how great we treat our POW's compared to most countries around the world. Its amazing how much we follow the ROE (rules of engagment) according to Geneva and its amazing how most countries dont. Yet of course the US is always at fault and is worse and is always portrayed as the meanest most gruesome country of all. Give me a break guys...its because the US is the worlds largest super power that people try to make us look bad. Stop believing everything the media shoves down your throat. The veitnames (not all) encouraged the torturing of US POW's. Yes a lot of people on our side went crazy and did some bad things however it was against our policy and they were punished. Theres no way you can stop things like that from happening occasionally...like the Abu graib (however you spell it) ordeal. I was surprised how crazy people went after it. I was like "Wtf this is nothing compared to what they do to their own people and our soldiers".

It is true we follow the ROE quiet well. And if we need to torture people we send them to brazil....
/gets kidnapped by men dressed in black with an unmarked van

 

[Solaris]

>exactly, we treat our POWs with what we would expect ours to be treated.
Guantamano bay anyone, please dont give me that s**t weve all seen the pictures and heard the reports.
In the vietnamese war you treated the POWS alot better than the civilians.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I'm pretty sure most of them were eventaully released after the war.

At least, John McCain and most of his friends got out, from interviews I've read of him.

A long while, most were held years after the war ended. It's why McCain has a lot of the physical problems he does, from torture at the POW camp.

 

[DeusExMachina]

>exactly, we treat our POWs with what we would expect ours to be treated.
Guantamano bay anyone, please dont give me that s**t weve all seen the pictures and heard the reports.
In the vietnamese war you treated the POWS alot better than the civilians.

Each side committed bad acts. Stop acting like we're the only ones who did.

 

[Solaris]

You invaded their country their allowed to fight back.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

>exactly, we treat our POWs with what we would expect ours to be treated.
Guantamano bay anyone, please dont give me that s**t weve all seen the pictures and heard the reports.
In the vietnamese war you treated the POWS alot better than the civilians.

Guantanomo was illegal, and the soldiers who partook in it have been courtmartialed.

The North Vietnamese torture was ordered, systematic, and very brutal. It was a far cry from stacking naked and punching. Cutting off extremeties. Forced to live in a cage suited for small animals. Regular beatings, and much worse things.

You invaded their country their allowed to fight back.

THEY invaded South Vietnam. We arrived to help South Vietnam (which by then was corrupt and everything falling apart sadly) stave off communist invasion.

 

[CptStern]

while nowhere near the same level of brutality as the VC, the US did sanction the torture of prisoners at gitmo and other "prisons"

 

[Solaris]

>Guantanomo was illegal, and the soldiers who partook in it have been courtmartialed.

Yes it is illegal, but people are still kept there.

 

[Solaris]

I do agree that the vietnamese were more brutal with prisonors, but who killed hundreds of thousands more children than the other.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

>Guantanomo was illegal, and the soldiers who partook in it have been courtmartialed.

Yes it is illegal, but people are still kept there.

Guantanomo Bay was not illegal, sorry. I was confusing it with Abu Ghraib (which was illegal. Not the 'camp itself' being illegal but the acts that took place)

What pictures from Guantanomo, sources please?

 

[Foxtrot]

I do agree that the vietnamese were more brutal with prisonors, but who killed hundreds of thousands more children than the other.

The VC did too, on a much more consistent basis too and supported scale.

 

[The Monkey]

The VC did too, on a much more consistent basis too and supported scale.

That's no excuse. It's just like saying. "Hitler killed more people than Stalin and therefore Stalin is good" or "Torture is OK because the terrorists do it too."

 

[CptStern]

What pictures from Guantanomo, sources please?

this guy doesnt look like he's having a good time




nor does this guy

 

[Foxtrot]

That's no excuse. It's just like saying. "Hitler killed more people than Stalin and therefore Stalin is good" or "Torture is OK because the terrorists do it too."

The main thing was consistently, we were able to stop a lot of it, the VC were able to do a lot of it. Big difference.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

this guy doesnt look like he's having a good time

This one looks like it's from a movie if anything. I'm not inclined to believe it.

nor does this guy

Barking dogs isn't torture.

That's no excuse. It's just like saying. "Hitler killed more people than Stalin and therefore Stalin is good" or "Torture is OK because the terrorists do it too."

Torture is not okay. Wheras we weren't trying to do it, and it happened in the few instances rogue soldiers did it, the North Vietnamese Army encouraged it and did it on a huge scale.

 

[The Monkey]

Barking dogs isn't torture.

Have you ever been in the situation that this guy was in in this picture? After that, I bet you would consider it torture.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Have you ever been in the situation that this guy was in in this picture? After that, I bet you would consider it torture.

Calling barking dogs torture is a slap in the face to people who really have been tortured in their life.

 

[CptStern]

you mean like the guy who had a lit cigarette stuck in his ear? or how about the guy who was strangled to death?

 

[CrazyHarij]

Didi mau! Didi mau!

 

[Solaris]

Being stripped nake and told a pack of barking dogs are going to be let loose on you, is torture.

The establishment encourged it as well.

 

[Foxtrot]

Being stripped nake and told a pack of barking dogs are going to be let loose on you, is torture.

The establishment encourged it as well.

He wasn't naked, unless you are refering to some other article.