US refuses extradiction of wanted terrorist

[CptStern]

US harbors wanted terrorist

A militant Cuban emigre accused of plotting the 1976 bombing of a Cuban jetliner that killed 73 people cannot be deported to Venezuela, an immigration judge has ruled.

Luis Posada Carriles, who has denied that he planned the bombing, claims he would be tortured if sent to Venezuela, [funny cuz they didnt have qualms sending suspected terrorists to foreign countries to be tortured: Maher Arar] where he is a naturalized citizen and once served as a CIA operative.

"Rather than proceeding with the extradition of this self-confessed terrorist to stand trial for murder in Caracas, the U.S. government has instead turned the case into a minor immigration matter," the Venezuelan embassy said in a statement.

[funny cuz at the FBI run Terrorist Knowledge base website he's listed having been involved in 11 terrorist activities some as recent as 1997]


Venezuela has been seeking extradition of Posadas and co-conspirators Orlando Bosch (George H Bush final act as president was pardoning Bosch)

Luis Posada had a role in Iran-contra Affair as well as bombings of tourist spots in cuba that killed foreign nationals

here's a US government document that details Luis Posada Carilles involvement with the CIA





“If You Harbor Terrorists, You Are a Terrorist” - George W Bush, November 26, 2001


"...free societies do not harbor terrorists..." George Bush, April 30, 2004


"...anybody who harbors terrorists needs to fear the United States and the rest of the free world. Anybody who houses a terrorist, encourages terrorism will be held accountable. - George Bush September 19, 2001


"I think most people in the world understand that I was very serious, and they're serious, when we say if you harbor a terrorist, you're just as guilty as the terrorist." - George Bush, September 25, 2001


"If you support or harbor terrorists, you're equally guilty of terrorist murder.
George Bush, October 18, 2004 "


"...we must confront regimes that continue to harbor terrorists. "
George Bush, February 2, 2005



the blantant hypocrisy makes my blood boil

 

[Solaris]

Totally, good find.

 

[Bob_Marley]

Just the double standards we've had for the last 50 years, again...
Remember: If they fight and their victory may serve american goals they're freedom fighters. Anything else they're terrorists. Simple.

This is simply the history of the good old US of A repeating its self

 

[Sulkdodds]

All the bloody time. This is, having been to the labour conference, apparently what politicians do. They say one thing and they do exactly the opposite.

 

[Razor]

One of these days Cpt Stern you're going to flip out, buy a gun and assassinate Bush...

George W Bush is a disgusting little man who's just trying to out do his father interms of how maniacle and disturbed he is...and 51% of the American voting public ensured that his nightmare reign will continue another 4 years. American's only have themselves to blame, especially the ones who stayed at home and did nothing but moan and complain about Bush winning the election.

 

[CptStern]

shitty foreign policy didnt start with bush and it wont end with him either. Killing him would do nothing

 

[Gray Fox]

Post this at protest.warrior

 

[CptStern]

nah I'm tired of that cesspool of humanity

 

[gh0st]

he wasnt a terrorist he was a freedom fighter and should be protected by law.

 

[CptStern]

I guess he was protecting ..god knows who ..when he bombed an airplane full of innocent civilians? ..he's right up there with mahatma gandhi and Martin Luther king jr

 

[gh0st]

no different than the noble iraqi insurgent or palestinian freedom fighter who bombs a busload of innocent civilians. you sure arent up in arms about that, you probably get a hardon when they blow up one of those cafe's in israel.

 

[CptStern]

no different than the noble iraqi insurgent or palestinian freedom fighter who bombs a busload of innocent civilians. you sure arent up in arms about that, you probably get a hardon when they blow up one of those cafe's in israel.

:upstare: ..what are you still doing here? accumulating experience in hopes of winning the coveted "HL2's Official Idiot Troll"® award? ..did you even read the articles? of course not that would be too much to ask

 

[gh0st]

:upstare: ..what are you still doing here? accumulating experience in hopes of winning the coveted "HL2's Official Idiot Troll"® award? ..did you even read the articles? of course not that would be too much to ask

dont cry that you were called out on your hypocricy. when these terrorist mongerals kill israelis and americans, you blame the israelis and americans and praise the insurgents for their noble resistence. when we hold a terrorist and do not extradite him to be tortured in venezuela were the bad guys. gg, youre totally transparant.

 

[redhollowpoint]

stern hes got a point, you do have a raging hardon for palestinians that blow up innocent israelis

 

[Sulkdodds]

However noble the cause, it doesn't excuse the mass murder of innocents. I've also never heard Cpt. Stern actually praise insurgents. :dozey:

edit: By the way, there's a 4 line sig limit redhollowpoint. You may have to cut your flag down to size.

 

[gh0st]

However noble the cause, it doesn't excuse the mass murder of innocents. I've also never heard Cpt. Stern actually praise insurgents. :dozey:

he sure never finds the time to compliment those who actually stand up to terrorists. but he's always got time to deride them, ipso facto, he supports one and finds every fault possible in the other. you decide which.

 

[redhollowpoint]

However noble the cause, it doesn't excuse the mass murder of innocents. I've also never heard Cpt. Stern actually praise insurgents. :dozey:

well we all know how skewed Cpt. Stern is, he obviously has no clue whats going on in this world, if he spent one day with some insurgents im sure he would be decapitated for praising thier great ideals

*edit* this flag flys with pride

SULKS CHECK YOUR SIG LIMIT i see you have 5 lines (4 with one spacer)

 

[CptStern]

dont cry that you were called out on your hypocricy. when these terrorist mongerals kill israelis and americans, you blame the israelis and americans and praise the insurgents for their noble resistence. when we hold a terrorist and do not extradite him to be tortured in venezuela were the bad guys. gg, youre totally transparant.

bullshit ..I defy you to find one instance where I praised palestinian suicide bombers or any terrorist for that matter ..it is YOU and your ilk that is hypocritical. You scream bloody murder that saddam supported terrorism yet turn a blind eye when your own country does the same

stern hes got a point, you do have a raging hardon for palestinians that blow up innocent israelis

....and you are? have we met? you seem to know me well enough, maybe you'd like to find instances where I've supported palestinian suicide bombers

 

[redhollowpoint]

bullshit ..I defy you to find one instance where I praised palestinian suicide bombers or any terrorist for that matter ..it is YOU and your ilk that is hypocritical. You scream bloody murder that saddam supported terrorism yet turn a blind eye when your own country does the same




....and you are? have we met? you seem to know me well enough, maybe you'd like to find instances where I've supported palestinian suicide bombers

you dont condone those brave palistinians blowing up israeli school children.

edit, and last time i checked, americans werent filling mass graves with innocent people, infact even in the occupation today, i still see forgien nationals coming in and blowing up innocent iraqis. American forces have strict engagementrules, CPT STERN if you had any balls, you would understand that when your getting shot at all the idiologies go out the window and you kill the guy whos trying to kill you.

 

[gh0st]

bullshit ..I defy you to find one instance where I praised palestinian suicide bombers or any terrorist for that matter ..it is YOU and your ilk that is hypocritical. You scream bloody murder that saddam supported terrorism yet turn a blind eye when your own country does the same

i defy you to compliment america. i never said saddam supported terrorism, im a republican andi dont support the iraq war. and how is keeping this ACCUSED terrorist detained supporting terror? wow we arent shipping him away to a third world nation, were really supporting terror.

by the way, please cut your sig down to 4 lines or less cptstern, thanks. its not like any of its content is funny anyway.

 

[CptStern]

i defy you to compliment america. i never said saddam supported terrorism, im a republican andi dont support the iraq war. and how is keeping this ACCUSED terrorist detained supporting terror? wow we arent shipping him away to a third world nation, were really supporting terror.

I asked you first dont pussy foot the issue ..find what you claim to be so apparent. And you want to at least pretend you've read the articles? all info is contained there

by the way, please cut your sig down to 4 lines or less cptstern, thanks. its not like any of its content is funny anyway.

no and I dont care

 

[gh0st]

I asked you first dont pussy foot the issue ..find what you claim to be so apparent

i asked you first REEEEHHH cry me a river. i already said what i meant to sulkdodds.

no and I dont care

come on sulkdodds, why dont you enforce the rules on this forum for everybody? or is stern allowed to have 27 lines of ignorant excrement for his sig?

 

[Sulkdodds]

wow we arent shipping him away to a third world nation, were really supporting terror.

But all they're doing is charging him with immigration offences. Doesn't he deserve punishment for his crimes then?

edit: I'm not a mod so I can't. And yes, Cpt. Stern should actually shorten his sig as well (I hadn't noticed to be honest, it's slightly less blatant)

God damnit I swore to myself that I would never tell anyone to shorten their sig. :x

 

[KagePrototype]

no and I dont care

I do.

And stop trolling each other, you both look silly.

 

[Last One In]

Justice verses Mercy, an age old delema. If we extradite him, we show that we cannot mantain an allieship. If we keep him, we are the biggest frigging hypocrits of the 21st century. Oh, the delema.

 

[CptStern]

I do.

And stop trolling each other, you both look silly.

how can I troll my own thread?

edit, and last time i checked, americans werent filling mass graves with innocent people, infact even in the occupation today, i still see forgien nationals coming in and blowing up innocent iraqis. American forces have strict engagementrules,

really? then why did 7000 iraqi civilians during the initial invasion? if they had strict rules of conduct why are so many iraqis being tortured, raped and murdered?

CPT STERN if you had any balls, you would understand that when your getting shot at all the idiologies go out the window and you kill the guy whos trying to kill you.

if you had any balls you'd be patroling the streets of bagdad and supporting your countrymen. If you had any balls you'd be demanding a criminal investigation on bush's lies that sent 2000 americans to theior grave. If you had any balls you'd stand up for what is right instead of blindly following your political party into oblivion

 

[KagePrototype]

how can I troll my own thread?

I know and you know that wasn't what I meant.

 

[CptStern]

hehe I honestly dont know what you meant ...but I guess it had something to do with me getting back on topic

 

[KagePrototype]

hehe I honestly dont know what you meant ...but I guess it had something to do with me getting back on topic

Throwing insults at each other. Jeez man.

 

[Hapless]

The air is ripe with your own hypocrisy

In a written ruling Monday, Judge William L. Abbott cited conventions against extradition to a country if a person were likely to face torture there

Note that Judge William Abbott is a completely different person than President George Bush.

An Immigration and Customs spokeswoman said Posada would remain jailed for at least 90 days while the agency reviews the case.

So which is it Stern? Do we deport terrorists to places that torture or do we not? The way I read this, you are advocating that we do send this guy to Venezuela where he may or may not be tortured. This Arar guy SAYS he was tortured, but does he have proof? Was it wrong to send Arar to Syria? If it was, WILL IT NOT BE WRONG TO SEND THIS GUY TO VENEZUELA!? Your own government won't extradite most criminals to the U.S. mostly because of the opposition to the death penalty. Is that wrong? Let's say this guy did get sent to Venezuela and does get tortured or executed, is that what you want? Harboring a terrorist by keeping him in jail for 90 days before deciding what we are going to do with him? Rational thought seems to have escaped you, my friend.

 

[CptStern]

Note that Judge William Abbott is a completely different person than President George Bush.



So which is it Stern? Do we deport terrorists to places that torture or do we not? The way I read this, you are advocating that we do send this guy to Venezuela where he may or may not be tortured. This Arar guy SAYS he was tortured, but does he have proof? Was it wrong to send Arar to Syria? If it was, WILL IT NOT BE WRONG TO SEND THIS GUY TO VENEZUELA!? Your own government won't extradite most criminals to the U.S. mostly because of the opposition to the death penalty. Is that wrong? Let's say this guy did get sent to Venezuela and does get tortured or executed, is that what you want? Harboring a terrorist by keeping him in jail for 90 days before deciding what we are going to do with him? Rational thought seems to have escaped you, my friend.

Carriles claims he will be tortured by the venezuelan authorities ..yet he's been in custody 3 times and has never been tortured ..he even escaped from prison. Also the venezuelan authorities requested and were refused his extradition before he was arrested by US immigration ..he hadnt given testimony that he would be tortured. Why didnt they, in accordance with international law, arrest and extridite him as a wanted terrorist? ..what better way to protect him? The ironic thing is that in 1969 while on CIA payroll Carriles tortured political prisoners in venezuela along with his associate Joaquín Chaffardet ..who also happened to be his lawyer and the SOLE person who testified on conditions in venezuela that led the judge to believe Carriles would be tortured

 

[Mr-Fusion]

Do we deport terrorists to places that torture or do we not?

But the U.S tortures prisoners as well?

 

[Hapless]

Carriles claims he will be tortured by the venezuelan authorities ..yet he's been in custody 3 times and has never been tortured ..he even escaped from prison. Also the venezuelan authorities requested and were refused his extradition before he was arrested by US immigration ..he hadnt given testimony that he would be tortured. Why didnt they, in accordance with international law, arrest and extridite him as a wanted terrorist? ..what better way to protect him? The ironic thing is that in 1969 while on CIA payroll Carriles tortured political prisoners in venezuela along with his associate Joaquín Chaffardet ..who also happened to be his lawyer and the SOLE person who testified on conditions in venezuela that led the judge to believe Carriles would be tortured

Would Canada extradite him to the U.S. in oaccordance with international law?

 

[Top Secret]

If you had any balls you'd be demanding a criminal investigation on bush's lies that sent 2000 americans to theior grave.

Now I agree with a good 75% of what you say, but you can't blatantly hate all Americans in one post, and then use love of them as a fallback on another. I know you hate Americans, and their ideals. That's fine with me, I don't ask anyone to love me. =) Everyone's entitled to an opinion. But come on Stern. I know you very sternly (pun intended) dislike America.

 

[CptStern]

Now I agree with a good 75% of what you say, but you can't blatantly hate all Americans in one post, and then use love of them as a fallback on another. I know you hate Americans, and their ideals. That's fine with me, I don't ask anyone to love me. =) Everyone's entitled to an opinion. But come on Stern. I know you very sternly (pun intended) dislike America.

wtf? please point to the passage where I say I hate americans ..you know this is getting rediculous ..I post something on how justice isnt being served and I'm accused of hating 300 million people because of it. Seriously, if that's going to be the extent of your participaton in this thread it's not welcome and it's just derailing the main topic

 

[The Monkey]

So which is it Stern? Do we deport terrorists to places that torture or do we not? The way I read this, you are advocating that we do send this guy to Venezuela where he may or may not be tortured. This Arar guy SAYS he was tortured, but does he have proof? Was it wrong to send Arar to Syria? If it was, WILL IT NOT BE WRONG TO SEND THIS GUY TO VENEZUELA!? Your own government won't extradite most criminals to the U.S. mostly because of the opposition to the death penalty. Is that wrong? Let's say this guy did get sent to Venezuela and does get tortured or executed, is that what you want? Harboring a terrorist by keeping him in jail for 90 days before deciding what we are going to do with him? Rational thought seems to have escaped you, my friend.

Not only do you yourself torture people and deport people to countries that torture, you've also been known to go to other (democratic) countries, kidnap their citizens and transport them to nations where they're tortured.

 

[Top Secret]

wtf? please point to the passage where I say I hate americans ..you know this is getting rediculous ..I post something on how justice isnt being served and I'm accused of hating 300 million people because of it. Seriously, if that's going to be the extent of your participaton in this thread it's not welcome and it's just derailing the main topic

Meh, whatever. I still say you hate Americans. If it's not Bush bashing (Which I don't really mind.) Then you're going after our soldiers, or going against gun laws. And it seems everytime a soldier or civilian is killed, you say "You killed him." No I didn't. These things we believe in. And this is as welcome as any other post. I'm simply responding to a comment you made. Deal with it.

 

[jondy]

Meh, whatever. I still say you hate Americans. If it's not Bush bashing (Which I don't really mind.) Then you're going after our soldiers, or going against gun laws.

Although presumptuous and ignorant, at least your argument doesn't carry any credibility.

 

[Hapless]

Not only do you yourself torture people and deport people to countries that torture, you've also been known to go to other (democratic) countries, kidnap their citizens and transport them to nations where they're tortured.

Me? Hapless? I, myself, personally? :dozey: Do you have any proof that I have tortured anyone, ever? This I gotta see.

 

[The Monkey]

Me? Hapless? I, myself, personally? :dozey: Do you have any proof that I have tortured anyone, ever? This I gotta see.

You you mind answering the post instead of looking up random grammar flaws?