US warning on Nato's Afghan role

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The European public needs convincing that Nato's mission in Afghanistan is part of a wider fight against global terror, the US defence secretary says.

Hehe...

Robert Gates warned that the future of Nato was at risk if it became a "two-tiered alliance" of countries which fought, and those that did not.

Mr Gates was speaking on the last day of a security conference in Munich.

The summit is also set to consider a threatened diplomatic crisis with Russia over Kosovan independence plans.

'Threat to alliance'

Mr Gates said it was incumbent upon Nato leaders to "recapitulate to the people of Europe the importance of the Afghanistan mission and its relationship to the wider terrorist threat".

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"On a conceptual level, I believe it falls squarely within the traditional bounds of the alliance's core purpose: to defend the security interests and values of the trans-Atlantic community," he told the gathering of the world's top defence officials.

"We must not - we cannot - become a two-tiered alliance of those who are willing to fight and those who are not," he added.

"Such a development, with all its implications for collective security, would effectively destroy the alliance."

The former leader of the UK Liberal Democrat Party Paddy Ashdown - who Kabul rejected as a UN envoy to Afghanistan - said in a BBC interview on Sunday that the situation in Afghanistan was dire.

"I think Afghanistan is a failed sate, I don't think it's a question of it being on the edge of it," Lord Ashdown said.

"Now there is still a majority in Afghanistan who want the international troops to stay there.

"That majority is sliding and once that graph begins to dip it is very, very difficult to turn it around."

But a senior British diplomat defended Nato's operation in Afghanistan, saying the overall strategy was working despite some problems on the ground.

Stewart Eldon, the UK's permanent representative to Nato, told the BBC it was a "mistake" to say Afghanistan would make or break Nato.

'State of emergency'

The BBC's Jonathan Marcus, at the conference, says the issue of Kosovo was also likely to make waves on the final day of the talks.

Russia's first deputy prime minister Sergei Ivanov was addressing delegates on Sunday.

Ahead of his speech, a Russian spokesman told the BBC that a declaration of independence by Kosovo and its subsequent recognition by the United States and many European Union countries would create an international state of emergency.

That, the spokesman said, could jeopardise the whole standing of the United Nations.



So there you have it, one American tosser (I SAID ONE, DOWN YOU RABID BEASTS, DOWN! :sniper:) thinks NATO exists to wipe the US administrations arse and its a club for nations that should be thankful for getting to go fight America's misguided and wasteful wars rather then a common defense alliance for the mutual self defense and pooled military assets to protect all member states.



So there we have it, the Russian government being the massive shit chugging wankers they are, as if anyone should give a shit what Russia thinks about matters that honestly it has no business beating is chest over, American administration thinking the free world exists for its own benefit and amusement, and Afghanistan as I figured the same as when we first liberated it, a failed state artificially held up by massive NATO presence.


Heh... North Atlantic Treaty Organization for the collective self defense of north Atlantic states....stuck in central Asia holding up a non NATO artificial regime in a country that really has no value or worth or importance to the elf defense of Europe and North America at all.


I guess the topic of discussion should be about the current state of NATO and its future, the problems it faces, the benefits it may gain, so forth so forth.

Likewise how does Russia's new-found shit-stirrinism effect that potential future for NATO?

Ready...set....ARGUE! :bounce:
 
Whats the point of NATO if countries aren't fighting? Come on, aren't you guys allies? Aren't you supposed to help each other out?

Besides, don't be so pragmatic; even if Afganistan doesn't hold much interest or benefit, it's still a noble mission to help them out. And kill crazy people.


They should let us in, we'll fight every war for them, given enough copies of Starcraft 2 and moneh.
 
Whats the point of NATO if countries aren't fighting? Come on, aren't you guys allies? Aren't you supposed to help each other out?

Besides, don't be so pragmatic; even if Afganistan doesn't hold much interest or benefit, it's still a noble mission to help them out. And kill crazy people.


They should let us in, we'll fight every war for them, given enough copies of Starcraft 2 and moneh.

It's a defensive alliance.
 
This guy is obviously a freak, and should be burned accordingly.

Of course the US is the only country fighting in Afghanistan. :rolleyes:
 
NATO's purpose was to keep the commies out of western Europe, there isn't a need for it anymore.
 
Afghanistan is a lost cause. We had a one or two year window to prove that we could improve things and we ****ed up big time. Poppy cultivation was the backbone of the peasant economy and NATO took that away without any replacement. Lots of resentment and corruption there now. NATO is just another foreign army.
 
thinks NATO exists to wipe the US administrations arse

Well it sure as hell beats us being NATO's personal Army, seeing as us and the UK are the only countries willing to fight.

Seriously, NATO should be abolished. It was designed to fend off the Soviets and there are dozens of countries there and less than half a dozen of them actually take part in military action. I think the rest only stay because if they get attacked they can ask for help from the Brits and Americans...leeches. Ask for help again and again and when we ask for a little something back, oh, sorry, we dont support it.

F*CK EM!
 
Russia and China must be liking this. All these dumbass conflicts are tearing apart the NATO hegemony. Pathetic.
 
Makes you wonder though eh, if NATO can barely keep down a bunch of rebels in a third world country, how were they ever supposed to be able to take on the entire Soviet nation?
 
Well it sure as hell beats us being NATO's personal Army, seeing as us and the UK are the only countries willing to fight.

Seriously, NATO should be abolished. It was designed to fend off the Soviets and there are dozens of countries there and less than half a dozen of them actually take part in military action. I think the rest only stay because if they get attacked they can ask for help from the Brits and Americans...leeches. Ask for help again and again and when we ask for a little something back, oh, sorry, we dont support it.

F*CK EM!

What part of "defensive alliance" don't you understand?

I'm guessing the first part.
 
Well it sure as hell beats us being NATO's personal Army, seeing as us and the UK are the only countries willing to fight.

Seriously, NATO should be abolished. It was designed to fend off the Soviets and there are dozens of countries there and less than half a dozen of them actually take part in military action. I think the rest only stay because if they get attacked they can ask for help from the Brits and Americans...leeches. Ask for help again and again and when we ask for a little something back, oh, sorry, we dont support it.

F*CK EM!

78 canadians lost their lives in your stupid little war in afghanistan, not to mention 29 from germany, 23 Spanish, 14 Dutch, 12 French, 11 Italian, 9 Danish, 5 Romanian, 4 Australian, 3 Norwegian, 2 Estonian, 2 Portuguese, 2 Swedish, 1 Czech, 1 Finnish, 1 Polish, 1 South Korean.

get your facts straight
 
It's a defensive alliance.

So you were entirely opposed to the intervention in Kosovo as it wasn't defensive? Which, lets not forget, did not have UN approval, or was the result of an armed attack upon a NATO member nation, unlike the Afghanistan intervention, which can also be argued to have been a defensive intervention against an armed attack against a NATO member nation, as described in the NATO charter

The Parties of NATO agreed that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all. Consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence will assist the Party or Parties being attacked, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Now, sure the attack wasn't nuclear fire raining from the sky and T-80s storming through the Fulda Gap, but it was an armed attack, so it can be argued that it is a legitimate defensive action.
 
78 canadians lost their lives in your stupid little war in afghanistan, not to mention 29 from germany, 23 Spanish, 14 Dutch, 12 French, 11 Italian, 9 Danish, 5 Romanian, 4 Australian, 3 Norwegian, 2 Estonian, 2 Portuguese, 2 Swedish, 1 Czech, 1 Finnish, 1 Polish, 1 South Korean.

get your facts straight

This. Robert gates is clearly a prick.
 
So you were entirely opposed to the intervention in Kosovo as it wasn't defensive? Which, lets not forget, did not have UN approval, or was the result of an armed attack upon a NATO member nation, unlike the Afghanistan intervention, which can also be argued to have been a defensive intervention against an armed attack against a NATO member nation, as described in the NATO charter

Kosovo did not require NATO, the EU and UN should have acted, as they are political diplomatic organizations. It's not NATO's job to police the world.


Now, sure the attack wasn't nuclear fire raining from the sky and T-80s storming through the Fulda Gap, but it was an armed attack, so it can be argued that it is a legitimate defensive action.

NATO's role is only to defend the sovereign independence of it's member states i.e keep the commies from annexing western Europe.
The war on terror may be of mutual interest to NATO members, but Afghanistan is now about nation building and has little to do with the war on terror anymore.
 
The War on Terror was a typo. It should be War of Terror. I mean, did nobody notice the irony at the time of preventing terror by invading other countries?
 
Well, us Europeans didn't want to cause trouble, but now you mention it....

...Yeah....we kinda noticed...but...you guys seemed so set on a war at the time...:)
 
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