USA Wake Up

[lefty]

I lol'd at the "heat seeking bullets". The woman claimed there was an incendiary device in the tip. Incendiary means lighting shit on fire, not going for heat.

 

[Ridge]

yes you should always take matters into your own hands




good thing he didnt wait for the cops, 12 year old trick or treaters are like terrists

want to explain why your right to protection supercedes the rights of others not to go down in a hail of bullets? please explain

1. He was a felon. Shows how well gun control works
2. He was a drug user, and likely was under the influence of one or more drugs at the time
3. It IS indeed a very sad thing.
4. Seeing as he has a history with drugs and cannot own a firearm, calling the cops would have been of no benefit to him...

 

[Eejit]

Are you talking about Rakurai there Ridge?

 

[Ridge]

Hur hur hur. Im talking about that druggie that unloaded an illegally owned weapon through his door on a trick or treater...if you werent resorting to such childish arguments, you'd probably have realized that...

 

[CptStern]

1. He was a felon. Shows how well gun control works

this is absolutely retarded reasoning ..since a felon was able to get a gun despite rules banning felons from owning guns .. the logical conclusion is that gun control doesnt work so it should be scrapped .....so no gun control would have allowed the ex-con to buy even more guns because without gun control he wouldnt need a background check to determine if he's a felon or not

2. He was a drug user, and likely was under the influence of one or more drugs at the time

logical fallacy, because he's done drugs in the past he MUST have been under the influence ...unless you have proof your point is at best a wild guess or an attempt at shifting the blame away from gun ownership

3. It IS indeed a very sad thing.

had he dialed the police that 12 year old would be eating candy now ...his right to own a gun superceded that kid's right to life ...care to explain how that's at all justified?

4. Seeing as he has a history with drugs and cannot own a firearm, calling the cops would have been of no benefit to him...

but ...

When seconds count, a cop is only minutes away....calling the cops wont do anything for you unless you are rediculously lucky enough to actually have a cop going down that street at that time...

every gun owner knows this so his only choice is to shoot the first person who knocks on his door

 

[Ridge]

So you can insert twisted logic in other threads to destroy my arguments, but Im not allowed to use fantasy scenarios? Wonderful...

The guy had a long history of drug abuse and sales, was afraid someone was coming to off him, and his girlfriend ran out the back with more than $7,000 dollars in cash....Im sure he was a wholesome contributing member to society...

And again, why would a man with a history of illegal drug use and a rifle he shouldnt have call the cops? He might as well just walk into the PD station and turn himself in....

 

[Eejit]

Hur hur hur. Im talking about that druggie that unloaded an illegally owned weapon through his door on a trick or treater...if you werent resorting to such childish arguments, you'd probably have realized that...

I'm just pointing out that one of the main gun advocates on this forum is exactly the type of person that shouldn't have guns since he's;
A) A drug dealer
B) Has said if someone tries to steal his car he'd shoot the guy from inside his own home
C) Wants to be better armed than cops in case they try and catch him being a drug dealer

... and yet the rest of the gun advocates seem to have no problem with this.

Oh and lol the felon wants the guns so he can 'protect his family'. Let's hope he doesn't get caught then.

 

[CptStern]

So you can insert twisted logic in other threads to destroy my arguments, but Im not allowed to use fantasy scenarios? Wonderful...

you said he was most likely hopped up on goofballs ..that's not fantasy

The guy had a long history of drug abuse and sales, was afraid someone was coming to off him, and his girlfriend ran out the back with more than $7,000 dollars in cash....Im sure he was a wholesome contributing member to society...

yes because only wholesome contributing members of society purchase guns ..like Seung-Hui Cho, he wasnt a felon nor did he use drugs

And again, why would a man with a history of illegal drug use and a rifle he shouldnt have call the cops? He might as well just walk into the PD station and turn himself in....

because .... When seconds count, a cop is only minutes away....calling the cops wont do anything for you unless you are rediculously lucky enough to actually have a cop going down that street at that time...

it's either fight or flight ..since he has guns why would he run?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

its alot easyer for some to kill alot of people when they can just hold down the trigger, you honestly just apear to be a pro gun fanatic. you said you would die before they take your guns away you need your head checked and need better arguments on why you need guns tbh. The only people that should have them are the police and the Armed Forces every day people dont need guns and your outdated second amendment nonsence has nothing to do with the first amendment:bounce::bounce::bounce:

"tired finger" doesnt make a god damned difference if someone is going to go out killing. The difference between "shooting fast" and "holding down" means nothing when hes firing into a crowd. When a magazine is out, its out, same amount of bullets from either a semi or full auto either way. The .5 second difference between expending the mag doesnt mean shit.

Need better arguements? You haven't provided a single one or a single rebuttal- all you and your little comrade Eejit do is lay on personal attacks rather than debating the issue.

Enjoy living in a disarmed state and not having the option of really defending yourself. I know I'm here because of that right and it won't be taken away from me.

And you would have had him armed ..because after all he has a right to defend himself from 12 year old burglars disguised as darth vader


obviously the above is proof that guns for home defense are uneccesary just as your link proves without the shadow of a doubt that guns are necessary ...right?

Wrong. Current law already PROHIBITS him from owning a firearm. (As much as I love to scoff at the law I also like to arbitrarily enforce it!) Any additional legislation wouldn't even have made a difference- he already was illegal in owning the gun in the first place. What makes you think he's going to think "dang well another law? I better go turn this in" The only people who will obey are people who obey the law in the first place.

You failed to notice he's a convicted felon.

yes you should always take matters into your own hands

Yes, I will. I'm not going to depend on an unreliable rescue when I'm told "sir they should be there in at least 5 minutes, hang tight"

5 minutes is usually 4:50 too long.

There's a reason they don't press charges when you're defending yourself or your property, and it's exactly that. The police are there to support, not for you to solely depend on. It was never meant that way in the first place.

I'm just pointing out that one of the main gun advocates on this forum is exactly the type of person that shouldn't have guns since he's;
A) A drug dealer

I love how this stereotype just spreads on this forum.

B) Has said if someone tries to steal his car he'd shoot the guy from inside his own home

Dont put words in my mouth. That's illegal. I stated I'd go outside and confront first, and even said outside specifically. You lie about "from inside home". Trying to make me sound like a psychotic sniper or something just to suit your arguement. Obviously if they run I'm not going to shoot them- that's illegal per AZ law anyway. But if they look like they're drawing something or threaten you better believe I will kill them before they me.

C) Wants to be better armed than cops in case they try and catch him being a drug dealer

This has nothing to do with drugs, it's a matter of protecting against unreasonable search and seizure. If you fire upon a LEO with a valid warrant or searching with valid reasonable cause it's illegal and they will kill you or arrest you. Don't try to twist the things I've stated.

... and yet the rest of the gun advocates seem to have no problem with this.

Oh and lol the felon wants the guns so he can 'protect his family'. Let's hope he doesn't get caught then.

I'm not a felon. I've never been convicted of any crime and can legally own firearms. Felons are prohibited from owning. Don't try and say we want felons armed

That said the criteria for crimes being a felony needs to be reworked, but that's an entirely different issue relating to the judicial system.

 

[Kase]

you are the perfect stereotype gj pal gj

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

you are the perfect stereotype gj pal gj

Nice response. I like how you responded to the issues I presented with a logical and well thought out arguement. You're an embarassment to the side you're trying to root for and are doing more harm for it than good.

 

[Azner]

the kid was hit ian estimated 30 times ..also his father and 9 year old brother were also hit but survived


this tragedy brought to you by Kalashnikov; in Soviet Russia gun kills you

You kills guns in USA?

 

[Ridge]

You kills guns in USA?

Nah, UK kills guns by cutting them in half and then melting them...

 

[Eejit]

I'm not a felon. I've never been convicted of any crime and can legally own firearms. Felons are prohibited from owning. Don't try and say we want felons armed

Right, sure. You're not a felon because you haven't yet been convicted of the crimes you admit to. That makes ALL the difference...

That said the criteria for crimes being a felony needs to be reworked, but that's an entirely different issue relating to the judicial system.

Yes certainly. I can see how you're objective on this issue.

 

[Tagaziel]

lol

Who in the hell would rape a 57 year old woman.

CyberPitz.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Right, sure. You're not a felon because you haven't yet been convicted of the crimes you admit to. That makes ALL the difference...

No, I'm not a felon. You obviously don't even understand what the term means.

Yes certainly. I can see how you're objective on this issue.

So you believe drug offenses should remain felonies? Regardless of MY view, what's YOURS on this? Why should these by felonies? Felonies result in the stripping of your civil rights from voting to working.

 

[CptStern]

Wrong. Current law already PROHIBITS him from owning a firearm. (As much as I love to scoff at the law I also like to arbitrarily enforce it!) Any additional legislation wouldn't even have made a difference- he already was illegal in owning the gun in the first place. What makes you think he's going to think "dang well another law? I better go turn this in" The only people who will obey are people who obey the law in the first place.

that's like giving me the weather report when asked directions to the mall ..what does what you said have to do with what I said? I sarcastically threw Ridge's comments back in his face by showing that his reasoning also made my statements true ..nothing more

You failed to notice he's a convicted felon.

no I didnt, I was the one who posted the original story and included the part where it said:

An ex-convict who thought he was being robbed

Yes, I will. I'm not going to depend on an unreliable rescue when I'm told "sir they should be there in at least 5 minutes, hang tight"

5 minutes is usually 4:50 too long.

another 4:50 would have meant a 12 year old would get to eat his halloween candy instead of being buried.

There's a reason they don't press charges when you're defending yourself or your property, and it's exactly that. The police are there to support, not for you to solely depend on. It was never meant that way in the first place.

what "first place"? back when the nearest lawman was a days ride in a stagecoach away? gun owners bunker mentality perpetuates gun crime ..your right to own guns leads to the deaths of innocents ..and for what? a self righteous need to step all over every ones right to life, a vague overly paranoid fear of police response time and an old west mentality where shoot first and ask questions later is the norm

tell me this, if I walked up to you and cold cocked you and then beat the crap out of you would you pull your gun? answer honestly ...what if I was stealing your car? would that warrent 2 bullets in my back? hey what if I snuck on to your front porch and stole your bike which you witness but cant catch up to me, will you fire a round into my back?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

that's like giving me the weather report when asked directions to the mall ..what does what you said have to do with what I said? I sarcastically threw Ridge's comments back in his face by showing that his reasoning also made my statements true ..nothing more

no I didnt, I was the one who posted the original story and included the part where it said:

Gun laws already prohibit him from having a gun, how is any further law going to change him having it?

another 4:50 would have meant a 12 year old would get to eat his halloween candy instead of being buried. :

That guy didn't follow the law/process for self defense on property.

tell me this, if I walked up to you and cold cocked you and then beat the crap out of you would you pull your gun? answer honestly ...what if I was stealing your car? would that warrent 2 bullets in my back? hey what if I snuck on to your front porch and stole your bike which you witness but cant catch up to me, will you fire a round into my back?

Yeah if you walked up to me and attacked me I'd shoot you with a quickness (no offense lol). You can't shoot somebody in the back. If I put two bullets in your back I'd go to prison for manslaughter. I'm talking about defending yourself within the limits of Arizona law- there are specific rules on what you can and can't do. You can't just blast through your door like that guy did, nor can you shoot somebody RUNNING from you.

 

[CptStern]

Gun laws already prohibit him from having a gun, how is any further law going to change him having it?

please point out where I specifically say this

That guy didn't follow the law/process for self defense on property.

yes I'm sure every incident follows the "how to defend yourself from burglars" handbook to a T

Yeah if you walked up to me and attacked me I'd shoot you with a quickness (no offense lol).

so simple assault in your mind is a death warrent ..your right to not get assaulted trumps my right to life ..this is where you fail as a human being

You can't shoot somebody in the back. If I put two bullets in your back I'd go to prison for manslaughter.

say goodbye to your car/bike ..unless that is you happen to get in front of me ..then it's justifiable ..a hunk of steel and plastic is more important than life ..this again is where you fail as a human being

I'm talking about defending yourself within the limits of Arizona law- there are specific rules on what you can and can't do. You can't just blast through your door like that guy did, nor can you shoot somebody RUNNING from you.

so the descision that holds my life in balance is predicated by what you can legally get away with ..this is again where you fail as a human being ..I hope for the sake of your wife and child you see the error of your ways

 

[Dynasty]

I do find it quite ironic and, well, hilarious, that the USA could potentially have a president that has ties with the middle east.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

so the descision that holds my life in balance is predicated by what you can legally get away with ..this is again where you fail as a human being ..I hope for the sake of your wife and child you see the error of your ways

If it were up to me I'd be able to shoot to kill more liberally than what current law allows. You may think that means I "fail" as a human but it's a different culture and a different upbringing with different life experiences.

 

[CptStern]

If it were up to me I'd be able to shoot to kill more liberally than what current law allows. You may think that means I "fail" as a human but it's a different culture and a different upbringing with different life experiences.

so in essence what you are saying is that your culture has no respect for life not you, you're just a slave to your upbringing and culture (which is hilarious because being spanish my parents taught me to repect life. perhaps chivato life is a little lower on the civilised pole than spaniards in general) ...sorry but I dont buy that. there's plenty of americans who are good decent people who are at the very least have empathy for their fellow ma. You would rather fill people with lead for the smallest of indescretions ...dont make any retirement plans I doubt you'll live that long

 

[Kase]

why not instaid of spending your money on guns and ammo buy some proper locks for your windows and doors and maybe a working security system :O oh noes

 

[Eejit]

No, I'm not a felon. You obviously don't even understand what the term means.

A felon is someone who commits a felony. You haven't been convicted of a felony, but you have told us that you are a drug dealer.

So you believe drug offenses should remain felonies? Regardless of MY view, what's YOURS on this? Why should these by felonies? Felonies result in the stripping of your civil rights from voting to working.

Of course. Illegal drug trafficking shouldn't just be punished with a slap on the wrist. It's too serious to simply be considered a misdemeanor.

If you're worried about the consequences of felonies stop being a drug dealer.

 

[Kase]

so basicly this drug dealer wants to keep his gun to defend his drugs okay gg