Usa?

[GhostValkyrie]

I agree on the threat that North Korea poses.
The thing about Suadi Arabia is that we have ties tie Prince and Princess - These two individuals are trying to democratize their country. If their efforts are fruitful, then we will not have to take military action. The only thing is that they have to wait until the Emperor dies.

Anyway; I think the American Govt. is far smarter than the majority gives it credit for. I'm not alienating it to "Rebuilding Countries", but simply stating that we don't need the constant criticism of back-stabbing liars like Putin & Chirac. As for the resolutions to resolutions; The UN Unanimously agreed to take action against Iraq back in Oct. 2002, when the time came for this action countries like France, Russia, Germany, China, etc wanted to vote on a new resolution...one that would push the date of action back, as well as question action in the first place.

If our own international community can't stand together, and by it's statements, then how are we to expect terrorists to take us seriously?

 

[fizzlephox]

Things change over the course of time, and having a set in stone date by which to take action shouldn't ever be done in the first place. Many new intelligence items came up over the course of that time frame. The likely-hood of WMDs, the reason we were going to take action, was decreasing all the time.

Now you can't honestly think that terrorists/countries won't care what the UN does just because it takes a step back and wants to reconsider things with the new information that comes up. Terrorist/Leader of rogue country "Look that group of countries that is very stronger than us isn't immediately doing what they planned on doing, looks like we don't have to worry about them!"

Reconsidering things that come up, such as the fact that the investigators who went to Iraq came to the conclusion that there basically was no chance that they really had WMD, is what any smart and logical group of people would do. It's like planning on going to the beach then a storm happens, you're not just going to go to the beach anyways because that's what you planned on doing.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

I really don't care if he did or didn't have the WoMDs, he was a brutal dictator.
I think we should go after them, one by one. Whether they post an external threat or not, it's time to put an end to oppressive dictatorships. I'm more disappointed that we didn't go after him sooner.

Sure, him having those weapons would ahve been all the more reason, but I still think it was long overdue, not considering whether or not he was an external threat.

 

[fizzlephox]

North Korea has a cruel dictator who lets all but his military starve to death. This Dictator also has nukes and is in total control of North Korea. He also has a much larger army than Iraq ever did. He is also quite crazy and is starting to believe that his own tales of his divine birth as the son of a god are actually true. He also has nothing to lose by selling nukes to other countries for money to put in his terribly low coffers. His country has also developed missiles that can reach Japan, and might already have but let's hope he's still working on missiles that can reach the west coast of the U.S.

I know it's good we got rid of Sadam, can't disagree there. Sadam was a horrible person who murdered his own step-sons after promising them safety when they came back to him, not to mention all the innocent Iraqis. But still compared to North Korea Sadam was a doormouse.

It's like a good game of C&C Generals, you and your allies are gonna go after China since they have a large army and nukes in research, not some GLAs player that's just starting to make some Technicals and realizing the boxs and crates are there to get more money.

 

[crabcakes66]

*Coolio has just been added to Ghost's Buddy List.*

welcome to the club

 

[Korgoth]

Sure war brings about change, sometimes for the better sometimes for the worse. My feeling is that i'm tired of the U.S. always being on the front lines. Why doesn't the rest of the world take a stand? If it is so imperative, why doesn't everyone join the fight for the greater good. Maybe because its not always worth the loss, human, and economic. Every country should look out for their own, plain and simple. Lets all stay in our yards and play like good kids, of course it will never happen that way, but I so wish it would.

 

[theGreenBunny]

OMFG, I am so sick of forigners telling how bad we are when they are so fu*King filthy (*snip, all the retarded flaming would make the quote far too big*)

Well look at that! Such a nice post full of flaming from our american friend. Now had he been flaming the USA, he'd probably at least have gotten a warning, but wait! He's talking about pretty much the rest of the world! Oh that's all right then, let's compliment him on his intelligently constructed and well thought out argument.



Sure, I agree USA = good and N. Korea = ee-vul, but that was just ignorant.

 

[Sprafa]

Maybe they have this home made small nuke. Kitchen made nuke "for your personal pleasure"

How to make an H-bomb
This guy makes it look easy.

 

[infinity]

Well look at that! Such a nice post full of flaming from our american friend. Now had he been flaming the USA, he'd probably at least have gotten a warning, but wait! He's talking about pretty much the rest of the world! Oh that's all right then, let's compliment him on his intelligently constructed and well thought out argument.



Sure, I agree USA = good and N. Korea = ee-vul, but that was just ignorant.

I agree with you. People from the US are so ignorant and immature, that it's just sad...

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Sometimes, I wonder what will happen to the countries of the future whose economies are dependent upon oil exports. Countries such as Venezuela or Saudi Arabia who have been able to improve their nations as a whole because of the wealth generated from the oil. When the oil runs out (possibly after I am dead), will their economies collapse? Will they lose the resources to run an efficient country?

Interesting to think about.

I suspect there will be a lot more white collar jobs floating around by the time the oil runs out, as the coutries will have developed more. Either that or the nations will implode.

I agree with you. People from the US are so ignorant and immature, that it's just sad...

Yeah i agree. It's just sooo immature how they answer back when everyone is trying their hardest to put them down.

 

[Murray_H]

The only emmisions would be oxygen or something.

Water



As someone has mentioned previously, why was Iraq considered to be a greater threat to "national security" than North Korea?

 

[RoyalEF]

I think the American Govt. is far smarter than the majority gives it credit for

I disagree. I think time and history have proven the opposite. We take short term action and ignore long term consequence. We LIKED Saddam when he was at war with Iran, enemy of our enemy crap. I've seen reports that we sent him support. It was okay when he deployed WMD against Iran gassing 50,000 Iranians to death in battle. We didn't invade! We trained the Osama Bin Laden boys. We setup training camps, taught them how to use terrorist methods against an enemy with superior capability. Clinton had no problem blowing up terrorist training camps..we set them up so we knew where they were! We took back Kuwait ten years ago and didn't bother going after Saddam, but encouraged internal groups to attempt coups. We provided no support for them. Saddam slaughtered all of them that rebelled. Many of those mass graves the news showed to reveal how horible Saddam was were people who rose up because they thought America would support them. We left them to die...nobody understood why we didn't go after Saddam the first time. We invaded Iraq now without UN support and now that no one is in charge of the entire country things are getting out of hand cause we didn't plan beyond the 1st month it took to invade.

Somebody wrote that now that America came in "Crime is down", what a freaking joke. Apparently a third world country is now compiling vast historical data on crime statistics to properly analyze the change in crime rate. I'm sure monitoring urban and rural crime rates over the years was very important to Saddam. Talk about propaganda.

And, Ghost, if you think we should go after them all one-by-one, you are a fool. And what would we do with these liberated countries... annex them as States of the Union? Setup puppet regime to corruptly use national resources to benefit American companies? There are probably a hundred+ dictators in the world. One close to Florida... and we don't do jack sh*t about them. That's what make "Operation:Iraqi Freedom" such a joke. Nobody who isn't practicing goose-stepping to the Bush's speeches believes we wanted to free the Iraqi people.

"If our own international community".. is that OUR as in possessive? Like Owned? The point of an international community is to recognize the soveriegnty of each nation to exist. To cooperate, to agree, not for one or two hot-headed nations with means to take things into their own hands because they have faulty intelligence and they don't feel like double-checking anything before launching a half-a-billion $ war against a third world nation with no ability to defned itself.

And I believe that is the reason we are mum on Korea while busy bombing Afghanistan and invading Iraq. We hit them because they can't fight back. Bush doesn't want to enter a war he can't win. It is much better for re-election-voter morale if we attack weak countries that have no hope of defending themselves.

 

[Brian Damage]

Um... about that hydrogen fueling stuff... I'm pretty sure we'd still need oil for certain chemicals and plastic products...

But, then again, eventually they'd probably be able to genetically engineer plants to make them...

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Water



As someone has mentioned previously, why was Iraq considered to be a greater threat to "national security" than North Korea?

Because the last time they went to korea...the Americans messed up? Roll Back, never a good thing when theres millions of angry Chinese people with guns coming the other way.

(Yes i realise it wasnt just the americans, but they were the dominant force.)



With regard tot he oil and plastics. Yeah we need it, but i think they have already made a biological polymer, so we are on the way to abandoning it.

 

[Kadayi]

The United States is far smarter than a lot of people give it credit for. We harvest the resources of other countries(By harvest I mean we buy it...It's not like we go out and steal it.), and keep ours to ourselves.
Now does that really sound that stupid?

Smart, hardly, it just sounds selfish and narrow minded, much like the american government's inability to understand accept or acknowledge longterm environmental/green issues. Your country is run by corporations and shareholders, none of whom give a shit about anything beyond the next quarterly profit margin. If you get can beyond the 'I' and focus on the 'We' then perhaps you might realise that long term denial of environmental/green issues ****s everyones grandchildren over.

 

[DimitriPopov]

I disagree. I think time and history have proven the opposite. We take short term action and ignore long term consequence. We LIKED Saddam when he was at war with Iran, enemy of our enemy crap. I've seen reports that we sent him support. It was okay when he deployed WMD against Iran gassing 50,000 Iranians to death in battle. We didn't invade!

**Why didnt we invade? You obviously know the response to this invasion , the response to that one would have been the same. You complain now , but you ask why we didnt do it earlier? Youre not making sense. This is how a government works , sometimes everything inst a rainbow and you have to do things you dont like. We supported Saddam and he fought Iran which was backed by the USSR , therefore we fought the USSR without really risking a large war.**

We trained the Osama Bin Laden boys. We setup training camps, taught them how to use terrorist methods against an enemy with superior capability. Clinton had no problem blowing up terrorist training camps..we set them up so we knew where they were!

**This is equally ridiculous , we didnt train Osama Bin Laden or his group. We trained the Mujahadeen in the mid 80s to fight the USSR invasion. We gave them weapons and guerilla training , not terrorist training. Maybe youre thinking of the USSR which did give terrorist training. The Afghan war ended in victory for the Muj and the Soviets left , but then Afghanistan descended into long civil wars , the Taliban is the government that rose out of that , not Osama Bin Laden , during this time he was in other Middle Eastern countries , only when they kicked him out did he seek refuge in Afghanistan. And PS Clinton was in 1996 , the Afghan war was ending in 1985. Learn some more history tex**

We took back Kuwait ten years ago and didn't bother going after Saddam, but encouraged internal groups to attempt coups. We provided no support for them. Saddam slaughtered all of them that rebelled. Many of those mass graves the news showed to reveal how horible Saddam was were people who rose up because they thought America would support them. We left them to die...nobody understood why we didn't go after Saddam the first time.

**Because the last large scale war wed fought was Vietnam. As a result in the Gulf War we set exact goals and objectives to prerequisite the end of the war , so the war didnt drag on. Once these objectives were met we called it quits. Calling for rebellions without supporting them was wrong definetly.**

We invaded Iraq now without UN support and now that no one is in charge of the entire country things are getting out of hand cause we didn't plan beyond the 1st month it took to invade.

**We didnt plan for reconstruction I admit , and that was dumb. But there is someone in charge of the country , unless youre blind. There are insurgents to fight and alot of dilapidated and destroyed infastructure to rebuild. The reconstruction of Japan and Germany took years.**

Somebody wrote that now that America came in "Crime is down", what a freaking joke. Apparently a third world country is now compiling vast historical data on crime statistics to properly analyze the change in crime rate. I'm sure monitoring urban and rural crime rates over the years was very important to Saddam. Talk about propaganda.

And, Ghost, if you think we should go after them all one-by-one, you are a fool. And what would we do with these liberated countries... annex them as States of the Union? Setup puppet regime to corruptly use national resources to benefit American companies? There are probably a hundred+ dictators in the world. One close to Florida... and we don't do jack sh*t about them. That's what make "Operation:Iraqi Freedom" such a joke. Nobody who isn't practicing goose-stepping to the Bush's speeches believes we wanted to free the Iraqi people.

**Youre playing too much with a name. Frankly if we took any dictator down there would be people bitching about itlike you. Those other dictators arent presenting a viable threat to the outside world and dont have a history of agression OUTSIDE of their country. Ghost is actually right , if you dont go after them one-by-one you do a half assed job in all of them , you overstretch yourself. You sir are the fool for promoting brash and foolhardy action , rushing into a million miltiary operations at once.**

"If our own international community".. is that OUR as in possessive? Like Owned? The point of an international community is to recognize the soveriegnty of each nation to exist. To cooperate, to agree, not for one or two hot-headed nations with means to take things into their own hands because they have faulty intelligence and they don't feel like double-checking anything before launching a half-a-billion $ war against a third world nation with no ability to defned itself.

And I believe that is the reason we are mum on Korea while busy bombing Afghanistan and invading Iraq. We hit them because they can't fight back. Bush doesn't want to enter a war he can't win. It is much better for re-election-voter morale if we attack weak countries that have no hope of defending themselves.

**You would want to enter a war you cant win?? Anyway we would win a Korean war , the problem is that casualties would be high , and they were actually willing to negotiate. Wed already given Saddam numerous chances to chage , to come clean. North Korea is now getting their chance. Afghanistan does not bear comment , as I dont see a reason not to justify going there (Opressive Regime , Removing a terrorist 'safe house'). Oh and BTW there Texas , Iraq had the 4th largest army in the world and was very capable of defending itself. North Korea would be almost less so , except for Nuclear weapons. But I guess you advocate barreling in there and ignoring those? Saddam may have had Chem/Bio weapons but the thing is you can suit up to defend from those , no such luck with nukes.**

 

[Lucifer Crass]

Well look at that! Such a nice post full of flaming from our american friend. Now had he been flaming the USA, he'd probably at least have gotten a warning, but wait! He's talking about pretty much the rest of the world! Oh that's all right then, let's compliment him on his intelligently constructed and well thought out argument.



Sure, I agree USA = good and N. Korea = ee-vul, but that was just ignorant.

Lemme ask all you Anti-Americans someting, without us don't you think after WWI, you would be safe and able to flame us? I don't think so, you would have been under Stalin, Hilter, Or that Japnaese guys power. If you had said anything against them they would have killed you. You don't give us the credit for what we do.

Anyway, if so many countries hate America, kill us. It has been to long to have the population say one thing while the government says another. If you really don't like us, break ties with us and go to war. That way, you don't have to pretend to respect us anymore.

Also, I don't need to be respectful and objective on a fourm constantly. Its not human nature and its not practicle in all situations. When people hate my country, well its obvoius that they hate us and I don't need an objective stance because its public knowledge. In that case, I give my opinion in the most offence way as to piss off anyone really bad and make them feel as bad as I do when they call the US ignorant.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

I know it's good we got rid of Sadam, can't disagree there. Sadam was a horrible person who murdered his own step-sons after promising them safety when they came back to him, not to mention all the innocent Iraqis. But still compared to North Korea Sadam was a doormouse.

And I think we should take them down as well.
Like Mr. Reak was saying - One mother f*cker at time.

Every country should look out for their own, plain and simple. Lets all stay in our yards and play like good kids, of course it will never happen that way, but I so wish it would.

That's a rather apethetic way to look at things. People are always screaming about human rights violations, yet they always want the US to stay out of conflicts.
I'm truly beginning to think you people never gave a damn about the Iraqis at all.
I hear people whining because their coffee is too hot, while others are awaiting liberation.

Smart, hardly, it just sounds selfish and narrow minded, much like the american government's inability to understand accept or acknowledge longterm environmental/green issues. Your country is run by corporations and shareholders, none of whom give a shit about anything beyond the next quarterly profit margin. If you get can beyond the 'I' and focus on the 'We' then perhaps you might realise that long term denial of environmental/green issues ****s everyones grandchildren over.

You weren't listening to my point. I don't agree with the destruction of our environment, I was simply stating the strategy as I see it.
If we don't finish developing Hydrogen fueling by the time other countries run out of oil, what are we going to do? What type of fuel are we goign to use!? Preparation for the future.

 

[Kadayi]

You weren't listening to my point. I don't agree with the destruction of our environment, I was simply stating the strategy as I see it.
If we don't finish developing Hydrogen fueling by the time other countries run out of oil, what are we going to do? What type of fuel are we goign to use!? Preparation for the future.

LOL, I love that use of 'We', it's so ununiversal, it's hilarious.

You don't so much defend your position as dig your own grave whenever you make a post dude. Still on the positive, at least it's your grave and no one's going to take it away from you :dozey:

 

[DimitriPopov]

LOL, I love that use of 'We', it's so ununiversal, it's hilarious.

You don't so much defend your position as dig your own grave whenever you make a post dude. Still on the positive, at least it's your grave and no one's going to take it away from you :dozey:

What sparkling and precise arguments , your post says nothing other than insults.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

We as in human beings...as in a generalistic term.
I always indicate who I am making a reference to when I say 'we'.

Stay away from my grave. :frown:

BTW: Which country's scientists are developing Hydrogen Fueling?

 

[Lucifer Crass]

US, as in the United States.
Specifically, certain motor companies and colleges. Accaulty my siblings college is developing the hydrogen engine. UCI, University of California.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

That's what I thought. I just wanted to hear it from someone else.
Funny - We're so bad, yet we're the ones putting out the largest effort.

 

[FortisVir]

I agree with you. People from the US are so ignorant and immature, that it's just sad...

So....wait, you're assuming that every American supported the war in Iraq, and we are all just Bush's minions? Correct me if I am wrong, but this is what I got from your post.

I don't know about the rest of you Americans, but what makes me angry is when someone attacks our entire country, as if everyone in America has the exact same opinion. As if we are all Bush supporting hillbillies with shotguns who despise the religion of Islaam.

Forming an opinion of entire country is what's ignorant. I wish people would quit stereotyping the entire American populace just because of the actions of our government. I don't hate Muslim people because of Osama Bin Laden, and its sad that many Americans do, but not everyone feels this way.

Every country is made up of the government and the people, but stop clumping them together into one giant ball. The people are further broken down into different religions, languages, cultures, and ideas. When I see a group of young boys burning an American flag on TV, I don't immediately hate them. I look at them as the product of the environment they have grown up in. Maybe this environment has resulted because of actions of my government that I am not proud of, and I acknowledge that.

Not every American is an idiot, why can't some people understand that?

/end rant

 

[Lucifer Crass]

I think its human nature to clump people up into a certain way of thinking. Its because when someone gets a bad image of someone, something in their minds tell them that, "Well people live next to or with that person, so they must be just as bad or stupid". Like what hitler did, he got a couple bad images of the jewish person and bam, they are all evil people. Its unavoidable, unless we where forced to live with each other we cannot change that, and most people aren't willing to in the first place.
* The southern image really makes the rest of the country look so bad. If you guys lived in California, you would see that everyone is here and you don't really need to worry about money or fighting, at least where I live, just school. I hate school. My friends at school are funny as hell, but the place is disgusting. :frown:
* The cafiteria servers us grade D meat, its worse than convicts get. (They get grade C). You know our future is screwed when the criminal populace is getting better nutrition than their children. ;(

 

[GhostValkyrie]

So are you saying all Americans who supported the war hate Islaam? Are you saying we're all a buch of ignorant hillbillies? If so, you are just as bad.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

That's what I thought. I just wanted to hear it from someone else.
Funny - We're so bad, yet we're the ones putting out the largest effort.

To be fair, America has the resources to. Not only that, but you dont have the European Union telling you a bannana isnt a bannana if its bent more than a certain amount. The European Union in case you were wondering, is the massive cess-pit of beurocracy located in a little place i like to call...hell...otherwise known as the part between France, Germany and Holland. They dictate all these rules that we have to follow, all of them purely there to make them money and give them power, they dont benefit anyone other than themselves on purpose.


Anyway, before i really start ranting about them, on subjects such as what they want our chocolate to be called, I'm going to shut up.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

That's terrible, Sparrow.
Just last week I heard Chirac was banning all symbols of religion in public, along with public expression of religious beliefs.

Anyway; Yeah, we have the resources. But that doesn't mean that people can sit here an rag on us because we're using oil(just like they are), when their countries aren't even putting out this effort to move past it.
It's like constantly calling a someone an idiot, but expecting them to drive you around town, buy you clothes, food, etc. No matter what we do, they'll never be nice to us. Whatever steps we take, it'll never be good enough. If a country like China(just an example) launched an assault on the European countries, and we intervened - They'd say that we did something wrong. They'd say that we should've done something before it started. It's always something, if not something else. We're always doing something wrong, something that's just menacing and evil. We're the f*cking scum of the earth. We're depicted as monstrous giants who crush "defensive freedom fighters" like the Taliban, and Saddam's Baath Party. They show pictures of our fallen soldier(while laughing), but we provide proof of Saddam's capture and it's suddenly a violation of the Geneva Convention....
I remember when I saw my country's soldiers on the tv...and how they showed the blurred photos of the dead soldier - And the UN said they were "considering" looking into whether or not it was a Geneva violation...In case you didn't pick up on it, the picture the Iraqis showed wasn't blurred.
People like me defend my country, but yet we're called names and belittled - And eventually apologize if we feel we've crossed the line...but they...they never apologize, no matter how far they go. Since I've been here, I've seen one thread started by a American who was speaking out against the Anti-American attacks. But I've seen many that are started, or end up like this.

It's like a family member is dead, and no one else cares but you. Like you're walking on glass to get to their grave. No one else has good reason to do anything about you caring, but they do it anyway. It's like they feel you deserve to be punished for caring...

My country goes through f*cking hell, and all it gets is more hell.

BTW: Sparrow, check your Private Messages.

 

[Lucifer Crass]

It's like constantly calling a someone an idiot, but expecting them to drive you around town, buy you clothes, food, etc. No matter what we do, they'll never be nice to us. Whatever steps we take, it'll never be good enough.

Wow, nice.
:thumbs:
Thats exactly how I feel.
/agree with Ghost x1000000 to infinity

 

[Varg|Hund]

To be fair, America has the resources to. Not only that, but you dont have the European Union telling you a bannana isnt a bannana if its bent more than a certain amount. The European Union in case you were wondering, is the massive cess-pit of beurocracy located in a little place i like to call...hell...otherwise known as the part between France, Germany and Holland. They dictate all these rules that we have to follow, all of them purely there to make them money and give them power, they dont benefit anyone other than themselves on purpose.


Anyway, before i really start ranting about them, on subjects such as what they want our chocolate to be called, I'm going to shut up.

Hmmm, I actually rather like the Union. Of course it needs alot of refinement, seeing as it's one of the most ineffective orginizations I've seen so far, but the idea of a strong and unified Europe appeals to me. Maybe throw in some parts of Asia too? And a symbolic leader, someone who is Europes face to the world. Someone like Chiraq or Schröder.
*FuSeD walks away dreaming of Europe*

 

[Lucifer Crass]

Hmmm, I actually rather like the Union. Of course it needs alot of refinement, seeing as it's one of the most ineffective orginizations I've seen so far, but the idea of a strong and unified Europe appeals to me. Maybe throw in some parts of Asia too? And a symbolic leader, someone who is Europes face to the world. Someone like Chiraq or Schröder.
*FuSeD walks away dreaming of Europe*

Looks great on paper doesn't it? Yet, I do not think that the more eastern part of europe will involve itself.
Then again, you would have to ask, but I do not like the thought of something as ineffective as that orginization in charge of the greater portion of europe/Asia is a good idea.
:frog: <- When would that ever be used?

 

[Varg|Hund]

Looks great on paper doesn't it? Yet, I do not think that the more eastern part of europe will involve itself.
Then again, you would have to ask, but I do not like the thought of something as ineffective as that orginization in charge of the greater portion of europe/Asia is a good idea.

Yeah, the efficiency of the Union would have to be improved somewhat before this would even come close to being reality

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

I just dont want the United States of Europe, formerly known as the EU, telling me that our chocolate shouldnt be called chocolate, British citizens can be extrodited for crimes that aren't actually crimes in Britain and a freaking bannana isnt a bannana because its to bent!

Obviously, some kind of "world government" would be good, but right now, our cultures are just too different to be governed the same way everywhere. Another thing that bothers me is the French. They (When i say they, im generalising the ones in power) hate the idea that Britain will come into the EU and start actually taking power from them. I think that its actually Britain tha puts the most money into the EU, but it gets paid back only a small amount. Basically, the idea is that the EU comes along and says "You pay us this amount of money, we share it out between everyone else and give you whats left after we skim some off the top ok?" and we say" Sure, fine would you like me to lube up now or lube up later?". Its crazy!

Im beggining to rant...i must stop now or i will go insane.

So anyway, those crazy north koreans eh. Whats up with that?

 

[LoneDeranger]

Ugh a political thread ...

Anyway, this is a bit OT, but do you guys think the recent successful Mars landing could mean that Bush will announce a manned mission to Mars at the State of the Union address? My fingers are crossed

 

[MultiVaC]

Ugh a political thread ...

Anyway, this is a bit OT, but do you guys think the recent successful Mars landing could mean that Bush will announce a manned mission to Mars at the State of the Union address? My fingers are crossed

That would be benefical for him, It'll do wonders for his re-election campaign and divert some critical eyes from the Middle East crisis. The only thing stopping him is the money; he's already spent a lot and people might see it as more wasted cash.