Valve not ready. What about Bloodlines then?

whoops sorry I thought I quoted Gorman...it was of course gorman I was reffering to...scratch that then.
 
Master spanker, would you give that hand a whirl?
Mister spanker it feels so good
ouch
eech
it's Master Mister Spanker!
 
From viewing the actual source, I would have to say that the code in the actual source is also far from finished. There were TONS of comments stating "fix this" "bugged, don't use" "this doesn't work right" and things like that. The source code was... very far from finished.

EDIT> Now that I think about it... maybe Valve's 1/3 of the source code was taken was more accurate than we/I thought. If this stuff really wasn't finished, but now is, then that still takes down a large part of how complete the source code is.
 
.....so here's a possibility....

{note! wild speculation!}

Troika contacts Gabe and tells them that thet are more then interested in using ths source engine and ask Gabe if he is wolling to comn down to Troika and show some stuff... Gabe and People at Troika are friends and have worked before so gabe decideds that he doesn't need a polised demo but rather a compiling build that he can show them... Troika being programmers are more interested in the scripting and general disucssion about the tool anyway.... Gabe loads a snapshot of the code on his lap-top with just enough info on there to make it compiles and zooms down to California.... after the presentation Bage forgets about the code and never removes it.... several month's later a script kiddie strikes gold with a script and are able to get access to Gabe's computer... stealing an outdated copy of the code...

If only that was the truth....
 
Originally posted by silent
Master spanker, would you give that hand a whirl?
Mister spanker it feels so good
ouch
eech
it's Master Mister Spanker!
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erh...you've got any intelligent to add

if not...then please don't ruin one of the few good threads around.
 
if the source code in the stolen demo is far from complete then I doubt that Troika would be at a stage where they have a working demo... they are not projected to launch until next year sometime... more and more speaks for the leaked code being just an early alpha...
 
BlazeKun:

The build stolen might not be the most up to date build. People believe that the build stolen is older than the build used to demonstrate stuff at E3.

Which is good for us because it means the game could be nearly finished. DAMN FECKIN HACKERS SLOWING DOWN VALVE :flame:
 
Well that's interesting Einstein, something like that could have happened, but we are just specualting when it comes to why the code was on Gabes PC. Their could be a million reasons for it. I think Gabe had what was probably a full working E3 version of the code and all the E3 content (as well as some other early stuff) but the hacker in haste was only able to steal about 1/3 of it from Gabes PC. That would explain why E3 content is missing.

Edit: I also honestly don't think Valve will be to hurt by the stolen code nor too much. The beta didn't hurt at all. Some people kind of over exagerated when it came to what was in the source code, for example, the code (mine anyway) does not contain secret Steam code or anything like that. I have no idea where people got that from. The biggest fix will be in network code, to prevent cheating and hacking. I honestly don't think that will be too bad to fix up, but I may be wrong.
 
Originally posted by marksmanHL2 :)
BlazeKun:

The build stolen might not be the most up to date build. People believe that the build stolen is older than the build used to demonstrate stuff at E3.

Which is good for us because it means the game could be nearly finished. DAMN FECKIN HACKERS SLOWING DOWN VALVE :flame:
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Yeah that's what I was getting at. If only 1/3 of the source code was stolen, then all those "fix me" comments and stuff were fixed. Hence making up the other 2/3 of the source including other things like CDKey stuff and other things that weren't in the source code in the first place.
 
I find it ironic that at first everyone was like "VALVE LIED VALVE LIED!!" and now we're finding out that they may not have lied as much as people all thought.
 
well i always know that valve didn't lie. Why would you all believe a hacker over the company that made the game. i don't think a company would lie and then release a game, so we could all discover that it was a lie. man no way would that happen
 
I thought it was common knowledge that Source was finished in September of last year. I honestly can't remember where I heard this, but it was a good while back, maybe around E3, and it was factual information.

After E3 all Valve were working on was game content. If this Anon bloke didn't even manage to get the entire source, then he definitely hasn't got the whole game.

Besides, it's absurd to even entertain the thought that the game isn't just about finished. Take a step back and think about it rationally for a moment. I can garauntee you that Valve have a perfectly working copy of the complete game lying around. Right now I'd imagine they're only ironing out bugs and solving other problems. Finishing touches and such.

If you'd spent this long on a game would you not be making sure you had everything perfect before you released it? The community has extremely high expectations of this game that they mean to live up to. The hacking seems to be an unfortunate addition to a delay that wouldn't have been all that long.
 
Good post Wildhound

And yes. It was factual information that work on the source finished around september last year!

I wish valve would make their statement allready. Even I am getting impatient and I consider myself one of the die hard valve fans :O
 
yea i really can't wait till anything new from valve! it is TORTURE HERE WITH THESE RUMOURS VALVE!
 
I think most people thought Valve was telling the truth. Really, as was said before, why believe a hacker over Valve? Obviously the hacker has no respect for Valve and he doesn't like hem as a company. He's not some robinhood figure, stealing from the rich Valve to give to us poor gamers. He's a petty thief who couldn't even manage to steal all the E3 content and source code from Gabes PC, let alone the full thing.

And of course Valve is probably finished with the construction of the game engine and content by now. That's quite obvious since Gabe has stated many times (most recently at Alcatraz) that they were playtesting the game. Valve want's this to be perfect, that's all.
 
If they dont make the statement within the week I may have to... to....... to.......


Get out more :O :O :O



:p J/K I do have a life allready. Allthough, If it isnt out soon I may just do something odd though. :S
 
I hope I don't get in trouble for this, but for those who have the beta (I do admit to having it, please don't kill me) compare the map d1_trainstation_03 (don't worry, we have seen this level before, no spoilers) to the last bink video released by Valve (the HDR one). Notice how the level in the Beta is without HDR, missing textures, missing models, while the one in the HDR video looks complete and intact. Hmmm, wouldn't that mean that the level the hacker stole was an older build. I really wish I could post some screens as the level layout in the beta is exactly the same as the one in the HDR video except it's incomplete, missing textures, using older versions of shaders missing models, and most importantly missing HDR.
 
so wait a second the source code for the "source engine" was leaked or just for hl2's source code was leaked? (or is it both part of the same thing?) cause if the source to the source engine is leaked thats a HUGE problem cause when you think about it valve pretty much can't sell their engine now.
 
Think of it this way. Valve were clearly well on their way to completion at E3 earlier this year or else they simply wouldn't have announced the game.

They managed to keep it secret for five years. They didn't just hold back information, they kept it secret. Nobody was sure there ever even would be a HL2.

What would another year have been? Would this game have been any less impressive if they unveiled it at next year's E3? I think not. The game is done folks. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence should be able to see this all too clearly.

If VU prove correct and we actually have to wait until April, well we've got this fantastic hacker to thank for it.
 
valve pretty much can't sell their engine now
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If anyone went ahead and used the stolen Source in a game it would be blatantly obvious to everyone what they had done.

Any legitimate company is still going to pay if they want VALVe's engine unless they want to find themselves bankrupted/in prison.

The only real threat is that other people will learn from it an mimic VALVe's techniques. Nobody's actually going to copy it directly though, I shouldn't think.
 
Originally posted by Wildhound
Think of it this way. Valve were clearly well on their way to completion at E3 earlier this year or else they simply wouldn't have announced the game.

They managed to keep it secret for five years. They didn't just hold back information, they kept it secret. Nobody was sure there ever even would be a HL2.

What would another year have been? Would this game have been any less impressive if they unveiled it at next year's E3? I think not. The game is done folks. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence should be able to see this all too clearly.

If VU prove correct and we actually have to wait until April, well we've got this fantastic hacker to thank for it.
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you mean the game is ALMOST done...Valve admitted that it it simple wasn't done and ready to ship.

but I think(and hope) that they're more done than the Hacker claims.
 
Originally posted by Wildhound
If anyone went ahead and used the stolen Source in a game it would be blatantly obvious to everyone what they had done.

Any legitimate company is still going to pay if they want VALVe's engine unless they want to find themselves bankrupted/in prison.

The only real threat is that other people will learn from it an mimic VALVe's techniques. Nobody's actually going to copy it directly though, I shouldn't think.
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ok well thats true but in any case there is still the situation with cheating....
 
I think that the hacker didn't know what he took, exactly. So he just jumped to his own conclusions and the hl2 masses believed him blindly.
 
Originally posted by EinsteinsBrain
gorman:

how complete was the bloodline build? How long could you see someone play it (or did you play it your self?)... it must have looked awewome... a RPG based on source would rock hard!
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As far as the engine was concerned... pretty much finished. There were two different "levels" available. I didn't experience any bug in my 10 minutes play (yes, I played it myself, mouse and keyboard and all). And yes, it looked pretty neat. :)
 
Originally posted by Wildhound
If anyone went ahead and used the stolen Source in a game it would be blatantly obvious to everyone what they had done.

Any legitimate company is still going to pay if they want VALVe's engine unless they want to find themselves bankrupted/in prison.

The only real threat is that other people will learn from it an mimic VALVe's techniques. Nobody's actually going to copy it directly though, I shouldn't think.
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Ok. mimicing the code and using it indirectly might be bad for Valve but for the gamer it is a good thing as it means we might start seeing some higher quality FPS. I guess if any good could come from the leak that would be it.
 
Originally posted by gorman
I registered today because I don't see anybody mentioning what I believe it's an important piece of information.

I'm an Italian videogame journalist and I attended this year's E3. At E3 there was a completely playable level of Vampire: Bloodlines by Activision. That game is based on HL2 engine and it was running perfectly, allowing you to interact with the environment and to... well, play it. I played it...

Now, a lot of people say that the code stolen is the most recent incarnation of Valve's code. How can it be? I didn't download the beta or the code, but I have seen screenshots full of errors and read about a lot of people stating that the code was far from being ready.

How is it, then, that Bloodlines was running perfectly, based on a code not more recent than middle of May?
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:cheers:
yep, a couple people have said the same thing, but its good to see someone who has actually played Bloodlines post some info (I would have, but I try to back my arguements/views with facts.. and I have not in fact played bloodlines)
however I think we can all safely assume this build is nowhere near done.
also if anyone with the beta is interested, create a server and type "status"
viola...
Build: -4
gg


btw anyone notice that the player model is the gordon model from hl1 apposed to the high polly version of gordon used to market hl2 (read ati advert)
 
IGN has some new bloodlines shots, actually it might just be artwork.
 
Originally posted by Mr. Redundant
Oh btw welcome to the forums, nice first post ;)
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Thanks! :)
Actually, I will not write a lot (hands too full already with Italian forums ;)). But I'm so upset at this whole situation that I felt I ought to contribute what I could.
Cheers!
 
Originally posted by Wildhound
What would another year have been? Would this game have been any less impressive if they unveiled it at next year's E3? I think not. The game is done folks. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence should be able to see this all too clearly.
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Yes, it would be less impressive. Games like Far Cry come out with advanced AI, games like STALKER have already shown us great physics, etc, etc...


As for other devs using HL2 secrets, well it was bound to happen later on. People move around in the industry and share secrets. This might be available faster in this case, but that doesn't matter. As someone else mentioned, it only means we get higher quality FPS in the future. And no game that'd be using HL2 tricks is coming out in earlier than a year anyways.
 
the fact of the matter is, we don't know anything. we don't know if the code source that was stolen is up to date. we don't if the "hacker" has more source code that may be more recent. it's basically all *speculation*, everyone has theories and explanations. while some of them may be right, we don't know for sure and never will until either Valve of VUE make a statement.
 
Originally posted by Benji
the fact of the matter is, we don't know anything. we don't know if the code source that was stolen is up to date. we don't if the "hacker" has more source code that may be more recent. it's basically all *speculation*, everyone has theories and explanations. while some of them may be right, we don't know for sure and never will until either Valve of VUE make a statement.
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True... but what are we gonna do in the meanwhile?

:E
 
I have no proof for nor the one or the other, so I'm just gonna go ahead and say that I think the hacker/cracker is either lying or unaware that the build is old and unfinished. I'm too tired to speculate further, so I'm just gonna go to bed and dream about HL2...

*snoooaaarrr*
 
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