Valve proves they have good AI

[Spiffae]

I've just watched the giant FP File a couple times, and the second time through, I realized that with the two strider scenes, Valve is sending us a message. Remember all the threads along the lines of "Everything was scripted, the AI is nonexistant!!"?

Here, Valve is showing us the same crazy battle. sure, there are some similarities, but what you see the squad doing and saying, what the strider does (how it flicks the car away in the first battle...wow) how the scene ends - those are all different. Valve is saying "hey, look at this. this is how different your battles will be every time you play. Don't worry.

These videos got me pumped all over again. That section with rollermines, combines, the house, and the IR Gun is proof to me that the combine AI is about a thousand times cooler than the Far Cry grunt AI. They move and shoot, take cover, flank, follow you, yell commands out at you (making them equal or better than the FC AI) then they have cool gasmasks (+100) they are in half-life 2 (+50) and they don't shout stupid shit like "I'm gonna shoot you in the FACE" or "Eat my ass!" (+850).

So, Far Cry AI = 27
Half-Life 2 AI = 1,027

seriously though, I'm glad Valve showed us those two strider demos... I'm ready to play now .

 

[Mr-Fusion]

Dude, don't ever mention Far cry in the presence of HL2 again

 

[Mountain Man]

We shouldn't be comparing Half-Life 2 to Far Cry. That's a bit unfair to Far Cry!

 

[AJM2K3]

FC ugh *vomits*

WoOt Spiffae!

 

[Spiffae]

lol.

last week i would have been flamed for this post

 

[obsidian]

i think the best thing about HL2 AI is that they shoot even when they arent hitting the target. most AI enemies only shoot directly at u, where as in HL2 they seem to be much more like human players.

 

[Svv4T]

I love how the AI reacts at the beginning of the demo (when you don't have weapons). The animations are really realistics. I shouldn't have watched this video, now I want to play the game!

 

[Soundwave]

I agree, the two seperate ways the Strider video played out was cool. What's not cool is the renewed happiness about Half-Life 2 leading to unnecessary bashings of other games. But oh well, carry on.

 

[AJM2K3]

bah, I would never have flamed you, I'm a DIE HARD hl2 fan

 

[dscowboy]

The rollermine/combine section made me think the gamespot guys had no idea what they were doing if they thought the action was 'standard fare'. :cheers: Of course, it was their first time playing it, so it's excusable. That whole battle was so incredible, and so unique. I'm craving HL2 CTF with manipulators and buggies.

 

[obsidian]

at least farcry is out !!!! thats a huge advantage.

 

[Reven]

FC out (+1) : D

 

[AJM2K3]

"farcry is out"
out classed you mean.

 

[Triggerhappy41]

lol.
Last week I would have been flamed for this post

So true. Us smart folk played the demo all the way thru, were generally unimpressed, and put it aside. now for the hl2 hype....

 

[crabcakes66]

"farcry is out"
out classed you mean.

heheh .... so true :cheese:

 

[Sparta]

I take it this is footage from the VU demo right? or the ATI one?

 

[tCh]

i think the best thing about HL2 AI is that they shoot even when they arent hitting the target. most AI enemies only shoot directly at u, where as in HL2 they seem to be much more like human players.

Its like cover fire... Have u ever seen any movies when some dude says cover me and the other dude starts spraying bullets in a general direction, then the first dude runs for closer cover?

 

[Sparta]

They really do that now?

 

[tCh]

As long as HL2 is not Like Far Cry I'll be happy.FC's "main characters" had less words than any merc conversation.

 

[Spiffae]

Don't get me wrong, FC has a great bit of tech there... their maps are the biggest islands i have ever seen in a game, bar none. (actually, bar Operation Flashpoint - oh well.)

Basically the bottom line is that half-life 2 has done the impossible and raised our expectations again. Now we just wait. Maybe the SDK or Benchmark will tide us over a bit.

 

[Sparta]

Ok so i take it the footage you're referring to Spiffae is the footage from the VU booth? Because i've only seen the footage from the ATI and that still blew me away

 

[Spiffae]

yes. I'm talking about the 650 meg fileplanet file.

 

[Sparta]

awesome, im in line for that as i type
66 minutes left of waiting

 

[Cunni]

Ya the Fileplanet vid is both demo's in one. de_aztec never looked so good. But hell I'm in it for the SP.

 

[crabcakes66]

Im in it for the Sp and the mods..........


A redone HL/CS etc....is just icing on the cake.

 

[Rupertvdb]

I am totally going back on my previous 'i don't want old games with source' post. Having seen the screens of De-Aztec in progress using source i must! have it. The water is just too incredible, roll on movie download...

 

[jameth]

god damn im lucky

an aussie isp put the demo on its FTP

full speed ! (for 512k at least), 3 hours to go

 

[tkday]

Downloading at 156k/s full speed for 1.5mb adsl

 

[Rupertvdb]

still waiting...i was actually downloading the thing when it crashed on me...i have had to restart the download, i could have watched it 12 times by now...;(

 

[Polykarbon]

The IGN insider windows media files are higher quality, and have much better color/contrast.

Only problem with them is they are two seperate video files, and they cut out CS near the end.

Still though, HL2 is amazing, the AI is out of this world. The maps/gameplay/sound/etc just look PERFECT. The amount of things you will be able to see, hear, and interact with are going to be out of this world.

The dynamic use of entities and character/object/world interaction cannot be compared with ANYTHING else.

This is the best game I have really EVER seen. Not just graphically, not just gameplay wise. Everything about it shines.

When gordon is walking through the apartments...god...even though you are not playing you can just FEEL the tension. The characters/animations, lighting, physics, and sounds, etc; bring the Half-Life magic once again to life.

If HL1 was the battle...HL2 is surely the war. I don't expect anything on the market to be able to compete with it.

Hail to the king baby.

Valve owns us all

 

[fuzzy_aus]

Well, i just accidentalyl cancelled my download at 90%, bloody firefox. I haven't been that angry over a video for a while

Sounds like the vids rock aye?

hey Jameth, you get it off the iinet FTP?

 

[ferd]

it's just awesome...the small presentation release yesterday made me drool...so i cant wait to get home and get in line to dl that long E3 vid

 

[Rupertvdb]

All i need in the whole world right now is a high res version of that strider battle scene...and everyhting else.

 

[Mikey Canuck]

I hope that the two combine sneaking up on Gordon on the second floor of that country house is just one example of some brilliant AI!

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Brilliant AI was the strider playing soccer with a van.
Just when I thought they couldn't get any cooler.

 

[CrazyHarij]

Haha.. Great post Spiffae!

GAAAH 76% ON THE FP VID DOWNLOAD *DROOOL* ALL OVER MY HOUSE

 

[commando]

"BLOWS AWAY COMPETITION" we should only have a HL vs HL2 battle IF THAT! lol

 

[Caminante]

I've just watched the giant FP File a couple times, and the second time through, I realized that with the two strider scenes, Valve is sending us a message. Remember all the threads along the lines of "Everything was scripted, the AI is nonexistant!!"?

Here, Valve is showing us the same crazy battle. sure, there are some similarities, but what you see the squad doing and saying, what the strider does (how it flicks the car away in the first battle...wow) how the scene ends - those are all different. Valve is saying "hey, look at this. this is how different your battles will be every time you play. Don't worry.

These videos got me pumped all over again. That section with rollermines, combines, the house, and the IR Gun is proof to me that the combine AI is about a thousand times cooler than the Far Cry grunt AI. They move and shoot, take cover, flank, follow you, yell commands out at you (making them equal or better than the FC AI) then they have cool gasmasks (+100) they are in half-life 2 (+50) and they don't shout stupid shit like "I'm gonna shoot you in the FACE" or "Eat my ass!" (+850).

So, Far Cry AI = 27
Half-Life 2 AI = 1,027

seriously though, I'm glad Valve showed us those two strider demos... I'm ready to play now .

huh? Well, Mr. *cough* fanboy *cough* Admin/Editor of some web site, would you be so kind as to let all of us know, when did you have the chance/opportunitie/honor or perhpas privilege of playing HL2? :dork:

Say...you would not happend to be an 1337 hax0r, would you? Maybe the board mod's ought to start locking up, fanboy threads already for i'm quite sick of them all. One thing is to have high expectations about HL2 and another is taking it to the extreme.

 

[Crusader]

You only have to see the vids to see which is a better game, you must be stoned if you saw those videos and still think Far-Cry is even in the same league.

 

[Lobster]

I like the new radio sounds to, there more meaty and sharp, esspeacialy the non combat ones u hear in the tenament building in that early scene.

Im sure i heard one of them say "Get the guy with the big gun"