Valve Suing Users With Illegal Versions of CS:S?

Darth Valium said:
"in dubio pro reo", the one who sues has to prove, not the one who is sued. comparing to cp is imho quite stupid.

"friend" is perhaps bad, say " a family member" instead, so you can't be forced to give out the name. and the pc is a family-computer with no access-regulation(aka averyone uses admin-account).

assuming those people will get sued after each other is totally dumb.
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Who's ever name is in the ISP's contract will be sued. It's very simple, stolen software is like anything else in real life that is stolen, its against the law and valve are within there rights to take you to court, and if you are logged playing the cracked version it's very hard to argue otherwise.

"yeah someone snuck into my house and download CS:S and played it for two days"



You seem to think Valve isn't in the right to sue people who have stolen there game? Of course they won't sue everyone, but if they do sue there sue a fair amount of people to put there point across. I can only see them sueing people in the US, much easier (and legal)

If i owned valve, i would not sue people but there well within there rights. You downloaded an illegal piece of software, end-off.
 
Yeppers. People with the cracked CSS's should be sued. Or shot. Or both... VALVe has every right ot sue people (especially Emporio... or someone else) because they reverse engineered the code. If you want to stay out of legal trouble, read the EULA when you get your game (In this case, CSS.)

Oh, I never had the Cracked game, or beta for that matter. Of either CZ or HL at any time.
 
$niffy said:
You seem to think Valve isn't in the right to sue people who have stolen there game?
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??? yeah, you got the point. you can even see it in my signature, hammered in a 24pt tall font.

it's not about if they are able to, it's about if they are going to, and valve, that's my oppinion, will not sue anyone of those "smalltime"-leechers.

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in the eu eula's can be ignored(you still have to obey the law).
 
I can't see it being effort for valve directly, just it lawyers. Give IP's to lawyers, lawyers ring certain police department to persue it further, IP tracked down to a name and house address, issue court date.

Easy. If they did just persue it with a letter like "you have the choice to purchase the steam package in xxxx date. You will not be taken to court if you purchase a copy"

Many, many of them will, the few left could be taken to court in the USA to be made an example of.
 
nothing to add here. if you think this it's the way it goes you should really start to read some serious newspapers or just watch some episodes of "law and order". :).
 
$niffy said:
I can't see it being effort for valve directly, just it lawyers. Give IP's to lawyers, lawyers ring certain police department to persue it further, IP tracked down to a name and house address, issue court date.

Easy. If they did just persue it with a letter like "you have the choice to purchase the steam package in xxxx date. You will not be taken to court if you purchase a copy"

Many, many of them will, the few left could be taken to court in the USA to be made an example of.
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ooo ... that would be a sweet way to do it .... "buy our stuff or will sue your pirating ass!" ...... haha ... that would be awesome, i can just see valve racking in the dough :rolling:
 
Read a serious newspaper? No, its simple fact. Valve are in the possession of IP's from cracked users. They ring the certain police department or a way to get in contact with them (UK's comparsion is Scotland yard, it has software to track an IP address to a home address. FACT) and persue the matter further.

I think you need to read up a bit mate. Clearly i don't know the whole process and information, but it goes that way if valve want it to.
 
if i would be an native english speaking person i would share my minor knowledges about this stuff with you. as i am not, it would be a pain to discuss, as there are buckloads of termini to explain/ive to translate(and i'm to lazy to use a dict just for posting-issues).
 
Ok thats cool. Can you answer this tho? If valve are in possession of the cracked users IP's, are they able to get a court date issued to there address or a threatening letter? In the USA, i would have to say yes.

Only in the USA tho, i can't see them sueing people overseas, maybe but more likely sue in the USA.
 
i think i read some where valve can only sue members inside the US NOT in europe because of the laws or somthing dont flame me if its wrong just somthing i read
 
SCARE TACTICS!
this is not true.
valve does not want to be the next RIAA.

its easier to make up some phony stories about suing than it is to actually do it.
 
$niffy said:
If valve are in possession of the cracked users IP's, are they able to get a court date issued to there address or a threatening letter? In the USA, i would have to say yes.
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what happens if the person is on Dial up, or using a non static IP?

im not sure how long (or if at all) ISP's keep a log of which IP is assigned to each user at each logon. My guess is if they do keep a log, it wouldnt be kept for more than a month. Time for legal action to be taken would be more than 1 month considering the amount of people they would be targeting. (even if it was only a few hundred or less).
 
Darth Valium said:
nothing to add here. if you think this it's the way it goes you should really start to read some serious newspapers or just watch some episodes of "law and order". :).
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So you're saying that tv series = facts?

The EULA says it, for steam, for your isp, for your everything.

The licenseholder is responsible for anything done with his product/service/whatever.
 
Anyways, there is no authentication, valve left out authentication. I dont know if its intentional, but obviously its allowing alot of people to play the game.

I can honestly say there is alot more cost in hiring lawyers to take down people that have pirated a game, when in fact they probly dont have the money to buy it in the first place. All they would be doing is screwing people over, which by rights they should and can do, but it would cost them more money than they would ever gain by doing that.

Now as far as copyright law is concerned, you have to sue to keep your right to the copyright. That is law, if you dont, you can lose it. With that, its mostly concerning people selling a product (pre-internet era) or producing knockoffs that are exactly the same. Im not a lawyer, and no expert, but I have read a few business law books in school and researched it online. Dont quote me, and dont believe if you dont care, but Im just stating some oppinions founded on my own research and beliefs. :p

Anyways...
 
FISKER_Q said:
So you're saying that tv series = facts?
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jop, i did say this, and i added a smiley ":)", a common sign for "joking" or "ironic".

edit & btw: if you are talking about "licenseholder", whom did you actually mean? i thought it's all about an illegal release, which has no license-holder at all?????
 
Carnage_333 said:
what happens if the person is on Dial up, or using a non static IP?

im not sure how long (or if at all) ISP's keep a log of which IP is assigned to each user at each logon. My guess is if they do keep a log, it wouldnt be kept for more than a month. Time for legal action to be taken would be more than 1 month considering the amount of people they would be targeting. (even if it was only a few hundred or less).
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Actually, atleast in Europe, ISPs are forced to keep logs for a year or so.

And even in Finland it is illegal to download and or share software. However with movies and music, it is currently legal to download them, but not distribute.
 
here in germany it's forbidden to download "from an obviously illegal source". so there in much room for discussion. nearly no chance for them to get you if it's your first time and you haven't packed your hd's with gb's of warez.

edit: in fact they prefer to get the seeders and uploaders. playing cs:s with a warezed version and getting ip-locked isn't as dangerous then dowloading stuff through emule and having ton's of warez in your upload-folder.
 
It's fake.. If it was real it'd be one hell of a tactic, though most would love to compare Valve with the RIAA.
 
MaxiKana said:
Actually, atleast in Europe, ISPs are forced to keep logs for a year or so.

And even in Finland it is illegal to download and or share software. However with movies and music, it is currently legal to download them, but not distribute.
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When looking on my ISP's forums a interesting discussion came about where a worker from the ISP pretty much said: In the UK, they only have to keep logs from 2-4 weeks (one of the two, i cannot remember which) by law then they can delete them. He made it clear this was not the case around the rest of the world so i imagine they need to keep details for a lengthy time like you said.

Thats very much the impression he gave anyway.
 
Im sure alot of people are waiting for the CD thats why they would download the cracked version, personally i think think the preload is gay. I know Ill be buying it when the CD comes out.


IMO they should go after the Distributor of the cracked version not the people that have downloaded the cracked version. The distributor is obviously the cause here.
 
I think this is just a bunch of bs. People are going to read this, then frantacly delete their warez(which is good) but if this is for real, I cant see how valve could sue 10,000 dollers for owning a warez game for like a day. were no dumb, People i know are encripting their delted files very good. They are just going to deny it. BLAME THE COMPUTER
 
Of all the BS you guys fuel... why not this one. Yeah it probably isn't true but it would scare the really dense kiddies and they would not play the pirated version hehe.
 
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