Vatican Cardinal: Listen to What Modern Science Has to Offer

"we ask that knowledge of the faith be taken in consideration as an expert voice in humanity'' thats where it falls apart. science and religion just arent compatible.
 
Yeah, basicly science was progressing until, just recently, some scientists found out they were going in circles, which means they missed out on SOMETHING =P. So now they are researching on God.
Yes, and also read up on the String Theory. Can you believe they aren't teaching that in school? It's a conspiracy!

Also, you can watch a movie called "What the bleep do know?" or also known as "What the **** do know?" it's all about this stuff.
 
a voice of reason ...although it's probably like shouting into the wind
 
Reaktor4 said:
"we ask that knowledge of the faith be taken in consideration as an expert voice in humanity'' thats where it falls apart. science and religion just arent compatible.
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A lot of physicians are Christians...
 
CptStern said:
a voice of reason ...although it's probably like shouting into the wind
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Well, I always found R.E. at my local church (St. Mary's of Kingman Arizona) to be tolerant, talking on a lot of issues and really applying the scriptures to life so they can be used for guidance to be a good person.

But I will agree on a certain point, went to my friends Protestant-Baptist R.E. one time and it was more of "Don't do such and such. Wrong! Follow the rules. Don't question, that's immoral"

I always felt a lot more comfortable and found it a lot more acceptable to question things in my R.E.- they always explained or had a discussion that improved upon it in the first place. That's the only way I can really put it.

I doubt (or hoping :p. Only protestant church I've ever been in) most protestants are like that though. But the Catholic Church is typically more open about things at least discussion wise.
 
WaterMelon34 said:
Also, you can watch a movie called "What the bleep do know?" or also known as "What the **** do know?" it's all about this stuff.
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I've seen that movie at least 5 times. Quantem physics never cease to amaze me.
 
Some science and religon are linked....like the beginning of the universe. For example: Everything in the Universe began at one single source: The big bang. Everything you see and touch and eat and smell and everything else you do, came from the big bang...also, because everything came from the big bang everything is made of pure energy (based on Einstine's equation E=MC2). We also have a link to religion and "God", so to speak. If God did make everything in the universe, then God could be a source of Living Energy...ya I'm crazy....but you have to admit that there is some link with the big band and the whole creation story...Evolution also exists. People who believe that God created humans from scratch with no connection to anything else, are very gullable. We have extremely strong evidence that the Sun made the Earth, and life came from SUGARS!! I kid you not. Scientists have made DNA from Sugar. So...if God does exist..he must also follow the rules of the universe, like we all do. (once again...I'm crazy...or weird...but that's my thought.)
 
ComradeBadger said:
A lot of physicians are Christians...
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So, they are reasonable christians that accept science as a part of their lives. E.G You would be hard pressed to find a geologist who thinks the grand canyon was created by the great flood.
 
Milkman said:
So, they are reasonable christians that accept science as a part of their lives. E.G You would be hard pressed to find a geologist who thinks the grand canyon was created by the great flood.
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Christianity doesn't say that anywhere. I've actually never heard that one before now. xP
 
I keep my science and my religion seperate.

anyhow all religion really boils down to is "be excellent to each other, dudes" anyhow
 
Hey, that's a clever guy.

Bill and Ted said:
"be excellent to each other, dudes"
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A sentiment that we should all live by. \m/
 
People who say all religious people are afraid of technology and think science is the work of the Devil are as ignorant as the religious people who do.
 
It's great that they want to accept modern science, but still hold onto anti-homosexual sentiments and the like.

It's still picking and choosing. Still, it's good to see a step in the right direction is being made.
 
Reaktor4 said:
"we ask that knowledge of the faith be taken in consideration as an expert voice in humanity'' thats where it falls apart. science and religion just arent compatible.
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and there enlies the conflict that he was talking about. Both sides aren't even willing to look at the other, so the two will never merge. Maybe if nay sayers like you keep your trap shut and let science and religion try to work things out, this may be a better world.
 
Absinthe said:
It's great that they want to accept modern science, but still hold onto anti-homosexual sentiments and the like.

It's still picking and choosing. Still, it's good to see a step in the right direction is being made.
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Homosexualtiy is condemed in the bible, the church follows the bible. Do the math.
 
Last One In said:
Homosexualtiy is condemed in the bible, the church follows the bible. Do the math.
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Quote the verse.
 
Izekeal erm.. 7.17

"Sodomizing your fellow man is WRONG!!!111eleven"

direct quote.
 
What I found funny was the Archbishop of Canterbury going round the world to tell everyone how bad his Church, the Church of England is :LOL:
 
Last One In said:
Homosexualtiy is condemed in the bible, the church follows the bible. Do the math.
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Oh Gosh, really? Wow. You certainly caught me with your wit! How could I ever not know such a thing?

:rolleyes:

Plenty of things in the Bible contradict modern science. To advocate them both at the same time does cause contradictions and tension. In the specific aspect of homosexuality, modern science has seen mounds of evidence to support the idea that such a sexual orientation is not chosen.

Bible hates gays. Gays can't help the way they are. Moral implications? You do the math.

This isn't even addressing the shaky interpretations that are made possible with such a text. Oh no! A recent scientific development is going against the grain of your faith? Just read it a little differently! Hell, we do that already. Verses are constantly reinterpreted or utterly ignored. With that precedent set, there's no justification in prejudice against homosexuals. You can't point to the Good Book as a justification with a straight face.
 
ríomhaire said:
Quote the verse.
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Leviticus 18:22

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination.

http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/leviticus/leviticus18.htm

Bear in mind, I'm not a bigot. I'm a sinner too. Hell, within leviticus are the status for kosher eating and such and I don't follow all of those either.

There's also the fact that it's listed with the ceremonial uncleanliness listings, and not the moral sins.
 
Last One In said:
Homosexualtiy is condemed in the bible, the church follows the bible. Do the math.
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Depends what religion. If you are Catholic you believe the bible is a book, which is what it is. The bible is nothing to base your religion on.

BTW I always see how people talk about religions like it's some thing you can chose by preference, like: "Catholicism is a very important religion in some countries..." (what I heard on the news), things like that really piss me off. I mean why would it be important in only some countries? Are religions really just mentallities for the people who can't cope with real life? Or are people missing the point? To me this is isn't some kind of desperate measure at feeling comfort in death. But maybe it is...
 
RakuraiTenjin said:
Leviticus 18:22

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination.

http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/leviticus/leviticus18.htm

Bear in mind, I'm not a bigot. I'm a sinner too. Hell, within leviticus are the status for kosher eating and such and I don't follow all of those either.

There's also the fact that it's listed with the ceremonial uncleanliness listings, and not the moral sins.
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Why should I listen to some old Guy called Leviticus? The bible was written by men.
 
ríomhaire said:
I know. I'm covering it up.
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Oh lol k. I just didn't want to come across like I was being preachy and posted it for that reason or something
 
one thing that my philosophy teacher hav told is that is someone read the whole bible and take it seriously it go crazy
 
<RJMC> said:
one thing that my philosophy teacher hav told is that is someone read the whole bible and take it seriously it go crazy
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There are things in the bible that are literal truths and things that are good guides and examples.

I don't understand how people believe everything to be completely literally true in it. It's like I say to them, you and I both read the same book, and we're both Christians who follow these in life, how did you come away with THAT, though?
 
Absinthe said:
Oh Gosh, really? Wow. You certainly caught me with your wit! How could I ever not know such a thing?

:rolleyes:

Plenty of things in the Bible contradict modern science. To advocate them both at the same time does cause contradictions and tension. In the specific aspect of homosexuality, modern science has seen mounds of evidence to support the idea that such a sexual orientation is not chosen.

Bible hates gays. Gays can't help the way they are. Moral implications? You do the math.

This isn't even addressing the shaky interpretations that are made possible with such a text. Oh no! A recent scientific development is going against the grain of your faith? Just read it a little differently! Hell, we do that already. Verses are constantly reinterpreted or utterly ignored. With that precedent set, there's no justification in prejudice against homosexuals. You can't point to the Good Book as a justification with a straight face.
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You misread my post. I'm saying that the church condems homosexuality because it is stated in the bible; and as you know, the catholic church follows the bible.
 
Last One In said:
You misread my post. I'm saying that the church condems homosexuality because it is stated in the bible; and as you know, the catholic church follows the bible.
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the bible states that I can stone my wife to death for disobedience ...should I take it as permission to do so?
 
Au contraire, my friend. You did not understand my post in full.

If the Catholic church follows the Bible but then also embraces modern science, then contradictions and shaky moral implications arise. The only way it can sustain itself is through cherry-picking in order to stay relevant with the times. With such a precedent set, one cannot point to the Bible for a fully justified prejudice against homosexuals.

In this specific example, we have two positions.
1.) The Bible condemns homosexuals.
2.) Modern science largely leans towards the idea that homosexuality is something outside of a person's control.

So are you going to begrudge homosexuals for something not within their power? Or are you you going to drop and forget it along with a multitude of other passages that endorse spouse abuse, rape of your daughter, and a variety of other archaic practices? Because you can't embrace both without being a hypocrite or an immoral twit.
 
Absinthe said:
Au contraire, my friend. You did not understand my post in full.

If the Catholic church follows the Bible but then also embraces modern science, then contradictions and shaky moral implications arise. The only way it can sustain itself is through cherry-picking in order to stay relevant with the times. With such a precedent set, one cannot point to the Bible for a fully justified prejudice against homosexuals.

In this specific example, we have two positions.
1.) The Bible condemns homosexuals.
2.) Modern science largely leans towards the idea that homosexuality is something outside of a person's control.

So are you going to begrudge homosexuals for something not within their power? Or are you you going to drop and forget it along with a multitude of other passages that endorse spouse abuse, rape of your daughter, and a variety of other archaic practices? Because you can't embrace both without being a hypocrite or an immoral twit.
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We do have a free will to choose what we like. Homosexuality is a choice, just as is hetrosexuality. You choose to marry or have sex or whatever. No one is pointing a gun to your head.
 
Last One In said:
We do have a free will to choose what we like. Homosexuality is a choice, just as is hetrosexuality. You choose to marry or have sex or whatever. No one is pointing a gun to your head.
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I guess I could also choose to have a third arm and a third eyeball, right? I can form pyschic powers out of sheer will and transform myself into a dog, correct? After all, I have complete choice when it comes to my biology.

And you have just demonstrated how religion embracing modern science is a sham. Congratulations. :thumbs:
 
Absinthe, mind turning gay for a few minutes so I can have sex with you?
 
Of course! So long as we both promise to turn straight afterwards. Then it will be nothing but cold showers and shame.
 
Absinthe said:
I guess I could also choose to have a third arm and a third eyeball, right? I can form pyschic powers out of sheer will and transform myself into a dog, correct? After all, I have complete choice when it comes to my biology.

And you have just demonstrated how religion embracing modern science is a sham. Congratulations. :thumbs:
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If you have not mastered yourself that's your problem, but don't try to go around spreading that people have no self control. Not everyone is weak.
 
Last One In said:
If you have not mastered yourself that's your problem, but don't try to go around spreading that people have no self control. Not everyone is weak.
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so in other words homosexuals have no self-control and are weak because they cant resist their urges? doesnt that support the notion that sexual orientation isnt a choice?
 
Last One In said:
If you have not mastered yourself that's your problem, but don't try to go around spreading that people have no self control. Not everyone is weak.
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Hahaha! You can't make a point worth shit and your god is a pitiful, morally bankrupt being.

I'm sure the gays are just ecstatic about being a minority that's hated, ridiculed, stereotyped, and threatened like the black man was back in the KKK days. It must be darn good fun, and I'm sure they switched over to the homo camp completely willingly.
Feel free to back up your assertion that it's an issue of control. But until you do so, I think it would be wise if you stuffed it since you're only strengthening the idea of religion and modern science embracing each other is just a sham.

P.S. Do you think that I could swith my skin pigment to a far darker color? Or am I too weak to cross the ethnic divide?
 
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