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Guys, i cant even stress how imporatant this advice is!!! so if u dont have professional adivce or one that comes from a professional, just view and do not post!!! later when all is said and contemplated, opinions are more than welcome.

ok, first take a look at this asus 9800xt vivo!!!! (one sweet bitch)

http://www.accupc.com/itemDetail.jsp?pid=VAR98XTVTD256

notice the custome duel fans, ya, tight i know.

now look at this

http://www.zalman.co.kr/images/0311/ZM80C-HP/ZM80C-HP+OP2_b.gif

that is the zalman vga cooler with option 1(the fan),

now look at this article talking about the asus 9800xt taken from one of my other posts.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTUy

if u skim through the article you can see some benchmarks and some temp figuers. i dont konw man but 40ish seems a little high for a 500 dollar card, it might not be, but im realy not comfortable with that figure. so here comes the question

is it worth removing the custom asus fans, and replace with the zalman cooler. the risk of breaking something, take into account while u ponder this. post some adive here for all and all.
 
40ish isn't hot at all for a graphics card. Don't worry about it, ASUS makes good products, the card won't fail due to heat.
 
Usually todays high end gfx cards are hotter compared to CPUs with stock heatsink/fans (50/60s)...
That zalmans will probably run hotter than the Asus as well.
Possibly quieter but I don't trust the weight of those big heatsink/fans on my gfx cards and there are better ways to deal with sound then that. Like having good case cooling. :)

Another plus
You can adjust fan speed or set it up to run at certain speeds depending on the temperature or other factors, you can monitor all aspects of the card and even overclock with it.
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Link 1:
Cooling masterpiece!

The one flaw that I still see in most video cards is the fan placement. Why do they put the fan above a flat surface? Why not put fins below the fan? Or is the heatsink supposed to draw heat away from the GPU/VPU to dissipate?

Flat under Fans?

I like that "Our Low Price:$505.00 " but today that is true...

Link 2:
Anybody know of an online store that sells that Zalman? Or if it is any good? :cheese:
 
So what Asus is saying is that 1 he dont trust the weight, ill look into this and see if i can fight the weight of the asus fans and compare them to the weight of the zalman fan, and 2 let me get this striaight, the zalman will not cool more than the asus?

someone second this.

p.s. rabies go to http://www.zalman.co.kr/english/intro.htm or newegg.com a lot of store sell zalman stuff.
 
Thanks

In response to the second opinion:
THe way I understand what he is saying is that the heatsink will run hotter? Does that not mean that it is doing it's job more effectively? Now I'm confused... :eek:

Egad! The size and weight of that thing, but I don't believe that was the one in the picture...The one in the picture I think was a later revision...
 
asus care to clearify on your first post?

"That zalmans will probably run hotter than the Asus as well."

you are saying that the card itself will be more than 40ish (what asus fans cool to) correct? if the zalman heatspread is on? any proff if so?
 
Not the heatsink, but the GPU temp is usually hotter.
Not by much but just saying for the inconveniences (not a 1 slot card anymore/weight)...why?
My 2 front case fans blow air right at the agp lvl and cools it extremely well. The fan on the gfx card (laying flat) blows air across the fins in a different way. It isnt exactly like a cpu heatsink/fan that it blows down through the fins but circles air accross the fins.
Having a large fan/heatsink on the gfx card with good case cooling just seems a little extreme and risky to me.

edit:
Example
Passive cooling only for the radeon 9700 is 58.5 C
stock is 48C
the active cooling is 41C

I'm wondering what case they used or how the cooling setup was anyway.

ah nvm reading the review looks like they had the board just sitting out of a case. Now i wonder what the temp would have been for the stock cooling if they simulated a front fan as well.
 
Ah. I see what you mean now, yeah, I was going to get that, but I stopped by a PC shop and got 8 baby ramsinks w/ 8 thermal adhesive pads. Fitted those and then added 2 40mm CPU fans on my stock heat sink, they work great and only cost about $5 in total.

Yeah I was laughing at the images on your link, "Bad(X)" lol. Who would put that chunk of metal above a CPU? Let alone, look at the case! It upside down, ahaah, I heard of people "breaking cup holders, and not being able to find the CD-ROM." But that is sad... :cheese:
 
while we are talking about fans and cooling.. i was wondering, do any of u use the HD case coolers?

basically ur HD goes into a 5 1/4" bay.. with braces that hold the HD in place and the front end of the HD has a panel with 3 mini fans to cool it..

of course u sacrifice 1 large bay.. but ur HD has 3 mini fans..

any of u have this? is it worth it?
 
I had one of those, it caught fire. :flame:

They are good for about 1 or 2 years, then the fans rattle, and then fooom, up in smoke.

This of course was a cooler master set, I have tried others that worked even for less amounts of time. Went through 3 sets.

If you want an EZ HD cooler, Antec makes SOHO cases, the HD bays include a snap in for a full sized case fan, works for me.
 
lol asus talked about weight, man look at their cpu coolers,

http://www.zalman.co.kr/english/product/cnps7000a-cu.htm

Weight 773g*


* Specified maximum weight for a cooler is 450g for the Intel Pentium 4 and the AMD Athlon 64, and 300g for the AMD Socket 462 CPU. Special care should be taken when moving a computer equipped with a cooler exceeding the weight guideline. Zalman Tech is not responsible for any damage that occurs when moving a computer.

lol thats almost twice the suggested weight, can someone explain what these twats were thinking?

i was going to both these items, now that i think of it, i might not, my case will have default 5 80mm fans, 2 which will be right next to eachother about 3 inches away from the vga, and one infront of teh case like asus'. i mean all heat will me dispurced to the outside of the case. a default asus cooler that comes with the vga will do just fine.

asus is right, i got to start looking for a new CPU cooler now. please any suggestions.
 
after reading ur post.. i think i'll pass..lol

last thing i need is a fire in my comp which was purchased with hard earned cash..

i was just wondering because someone i know has that HD cooling setup.. but rest assured, i won't be going near one of those things :borg:
 
Yeah, that should be a word to the wise, I had a friend who had a fileserver, 4 SCSI drives, 4 HD coolers. Luckily his only failed when he wasn't home, the SCSI's overheated and failed, put him about $700 in a hole.

hyenolie:
If you want a "cool" CPU option, look at www.svc.com
They sell a CPU duct seen here on my PC

Store Image

CPU duct

It's attached to a Volcano 11, and uses 2 Smart Fan 2's for cooling. Current CPU temp is about 27C. I would also advise, if you just use the Volcano 11 only, to replace the stock grill with a simple wire one, to cut down on air noise/resistance...
 
lol rabies lol ur comp has some serious wire managment problems lol!!

i hate wires really i do.

HOLY ****!!! "current spu temp is 27C, are u insane, thats slightly over room temp!!! im buying that ish.

yo asus ill need u to guid me through this man,
i hate talking thorugh forums, we need to do something about the time-respond problem.

but someone explane how this works, i read the mechanics behind the duct fan, but i still dont get it. the fan in front of the chasis is a exhost fan??? i thought it was an intake fan!!!!!

air in front, hot out back?? isnt it liek that?

DAMMIT ASUS WILL U CLEAR THIS UP!!!

http://store.yahoo.com/svcompucycle/ovcokitsi.html
 
Well, look at my pic again on my last post, my 2 rear fans are filtered, and flowing in. So are the front 2 case fans, and the side fan. The only exhaust I allow on mine, is out of the top, and the power supply. If you filter your system, you may want to get 2 fans on each end of that duct to deal with the filters air resistance....

Asus can most likely help you with the rest of your fan issues, but be warned, if the duct is not installed correctly, ie. stress is present. Your CPU will fail, make sure your BIOS's anti burn sheild is on, so if this does happen your CPU will shut down.
 
Originally posted by Dr. Freeman
after reading ur post.. i think i'll pass..lol

last thing i need is a fire in my comp which was purchased with hard earned cash..

i was just wondering because someone i know has that HD cooling setup.. but rest assured, i won't be going near one of those things :borg:
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Sounds pretty dodgy to me that a HD would go up in smoke once the fans failed.. seeing as how I have no fans on my HDs, only one exhaust below my HD, and it doesn't catch fire..

Also, we all KNOW you stole your system, Freeman.. hard earned money.. yeah right :dozey:
 
Actually, the hard drives never caught fire, they just failed. It was on my PC that the coolers caught flame.....ironic isn't it, that's one toasty cooler...
 
I don't use harddrive cooler racks, again becuase my case cooling is great.
My case is a Kingwin but it isn't like their new series.
It is similar to the popular Lian-Li cases. It has the harddrive rack right in front of the 2 front fans.
The harddrives are mounted on their side and it can fit 5 harddrives I think.

It looks like from the pic, the case the duct was used in has 1 front,1 back,1 top and then the psu fan.
2 intake, 2 exhaust
The back fan used with the duct is turned into an intake to blow air on the heatsink and it comes out around the edges to escape to the top or psu fan. Hot air rises...right. Seems good to me. :)

I have 2 front, 2 back, top and a psu fan so I'm not sure how my setup would work with that. I would probably leave one of the back fans as an exhaust.
 
Originally posted by Shuzer
Also, we all KNOW you stole your system, Freeman.. hard earned money.. yeah right :dozey:
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man.. no love for the Doc 'round here. :p

even if it sounds dodgey that HD cooling fan caught fire.. i dunno.. i don't claim to be an expert on installing hardware.. and a friend did hand me one of those HD case coolers but.. ehh.. not sure i want to install it..
 
Asus:
The back actually has 2, one at each end of the duct, these two are the Thermaltake SmartFan II's which are both controlled fully by the CPU. Both the top rear and bottom rear fans are intake fans. And the front 2 are also intake. The only exhaust fans are in the power supply and the custom drilled blowhole up top. To do this required alot of sawing and cutting because I removed 6 grilles in total. Plus each fan is filtered so no dust gets in.

Your setup can actually function the same as mine, just don't forget to make both rear fans either intake or exhaust so it does not recirculate it's own hot air. That is usually not good, your fans will keep getting faster and faster until they explode. One cool feature of these fans is compression, when the PC is first turned on it sounds like a jet because the fans have not fully pressurized the case. Then after about 3 sec they go silent and the case is fully pressurized. A good reason to have a pressurized case is because an underpressure will pull in air through the cracks and create dust trails over time.... :cheers:
 
All I can say is that if I used that on my current setup and had both front and back fans as intakes then I would have to seriously think about making my blow hole a 120mm fan instead of 80. lol
 
lol....I hear ya.....but actually you wouldn't, read my edited last post, I commented on case pressure.

Note - your power supply will always help vent out air, plus with pressure it will cool your power supply much better....:cheese:
 
Thats true. Although having high or low pressure increases heat somewhere in the case...just changes where. Low is worse though as you pointed out.
If you can get equal pressure or near it then that is even better.
I would still think 4 80mm fans intake would apply more pressure than 1 80mm(psu fan) and a slow 120mm could take away.
 
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